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Post by jonbain on Aug 1, 2021 19:08:42 GMT
As for my first assertion, can anyone here PROVE that genetics is anything more than pseudo-science?
In specific all the racial classification going on,
which to me simply looks like the sophistry of racism.
Is there an experiment I can actually do that has some meaningful use here?
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Post by MAYA-EL on Aug 4, 2021 5:54:54 GMT
While i could care less about what the bible has to say on the matter I agree with you when you say that genetics is pseudoscience as I view a lot of Science and pseudoscience the particularly when it comes to genetics Because personally I wouldn't put my trust into a branch of science where they take a persons "DNA" and use a certain bacteria and cultivated and out of what grows they determine the answer to their question
It seems way to fishy to me and the more i research it the less confidence i have in it
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Post by jonbain on Aug 4, 2021 9:08:48 GMT
While i could care less about what the bible has to say on the matter I agree with you when you say that genetics is pseudoscience as I view a lot of Science and pseudoscience the particularly when it comes to genetics Because personally I wouldn't put my trust into a branch of science where they take a persons "DNA" and use a certain bacteria and cultivated and out of what grows they determine the answer to their question It seems way to fishy to me and the more i research it the less confidence i have in it
Well its nice that we have a point of agreement for a change. And its deeply ironic that you are also in agreement with the Bible here too, even if that does not matter to you at this point. You might find you are in agreement with the bible more than you appreciate, due to you having
not read it properly.
I may not agree with many philosophies, may even find them repulsive. But if they are popular, then I still care what they say because I want to have a broad understanding of the world around me.
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Post by MAYA-EL on Aug 4, 2021 12:39:43 GMT
While i could care less about what the bible has to say on the matter I agree with you when you say that genetics is pseudoscience as I view a lot of Science and pseudoscience the particularly when it comes to genetics Because personally I wouldn't put my trust into a branch of science where they take a persons "DNA" and use a certain bacteria and cultivated and out of what grows they determine the answer to their question It seems way to fishy to me and the more i research it the less confidence i have in it
Well its nice that we have a point of agreement for a change. And its deeply ironic that you are also in agreement with the Bible here too, even if that does not matter to you at this point. You might find you are in agreement with the bible more than you appreciate, due to you having
not read it properly.
I may not agree with many philosophies, may even find them repulsive. But if they are popular, then I still care what they say because I want to have a broad understanding of the world around me.
We actually have a lot of common opinions on things it's just that you have anger issues and identify with your opinion so much so that you are incapable of not getting offended and you can't relax and dialogue with people that disagree with you without having aggression and an attitude. Me on the other hand I could care less what you care about what you believe in and I don't hold a grudge against it because I expect every single person I talked to to disagree with me and I tend to try to befriend people that are very different than me in order to better my understanding on how the world works but you make it about as difficult as finding a tick with gloves on. This is just a chat Forum nothing you or I say is going to change the world on here nor is it going to directly affect the livelihood of somebody so it's just pissing in the wind and pissing in the wind should be carefree.
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Post by jonbain on Aug 4, 2021 13:49:06 GMT
MAYA-EL If you reckon what you say will not change anything, then there is no point in saying it. I certainly do have anger with racism. And I have destroyed the apartheid govt with that anger. And that 'chat' had far less broadcast than this forum too. My anger also made ganja legal in south africa. Again, that little 'chat' was also sneered at and i was told often to stop all those attempts because 'nothing i do would change anything'. Wrong. Twice. Being passive-aggressive is a sign of subconscious dissonance. And that is a consequence of you own lack of self-worth. Epitomized by your belief that your efforts are worthless, and your need to project that feeling of inferiority onto other races. Anyone can make a difference. Every difference ever made was by people. Each person is one person with very little difference from you or I.
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Post by MAYA-EL on Aug 5, 2021 9:56:26 GMT
I did not say my efforts were worthless that's your projection of your own inner worthlessness
If you call having a conversation "projecting" that's a little weird personally I wouldn't call that projecting but to each his own
I'm not sure why you keep bringing up that underdeveloped frontal lobe issue of race? I don't want to talk about the concept of race I don't care about it obviously you do though.
of course every difference is made by a person and I did not say people could not make a difference I was saying that we are gum bumping on a philosophy form this is hardly the front lines or any place of fundamental value it's a chat forum so these are Petty conversations that we participate in for entertainment and or ego stroking depending on your viewpoint some might even justify it as a way of bettering their understanding.
And of course there's no fundamental real point in us even talking at all that's the point
my God do you save your own urine thinking it's Liquid Gold? I mean you think you have single-handedly toppled over the government (if you want to even call it that over there)
And Whoopi do you made it to where people can smoke a plant/ weed and not get a drug charge for it congratulations you're a Mountain Mover. That is of course supposing you actually did single-handedly force them into letting weed be legal but I'll have to ask Weldon next time I see him if it's true or not.
I'm not sure why you have such a pissy little girl attitude about everything you're obviously very bitter for some reason
I'm assuming it probably has to do with some rejection from a spouse of some form of I don't know and I'm not going to speculate too much on it
all I know is you keep vomiting these projections on to meet that aren't anything remotely accurate to what I actually am like in real life
and a little childish because at least be accurate in your projections but who am I to tell you what to do enjoy hitting the rest of your day
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Aug 5, 2021 11:27:52 GMT
I think I agree with you. Unfortunatly, I don't know well this disciple. All I know about it is the school, and reading for some Philosophy of Science books, plus, maybe, the critics of some notions in it by Rudolph Carnap (who criticized a person named Drisch, and that that person wanted to use the notion "entelechy" in the science, while no strictly defining it). I read about a monk Mendel who firstly discovered the rules of the selection.
On what I disagree with genetics. I think for me - not a biologist or a chemist one - it's simple - it's denying of the soul, rather presenting DNA that sums everything about you, and your future. I don't consider myself as a trash can - as it was said by Richard Dawkins who said that people are just containers for DNA. So, Dawkins did what none of philosophers even dared to do - he just expressed his own view of what the purpose of life is, making it the oath for all the generations.
No, I think that everything is more difficult and complex that it's about just DNA.
Despite of it, I think that DNA influences on us as living organisms. I mean in my life I noticed that people suffered or were happier because of their genes. And it also happens more often when smart parents have smart kids, while dumb parents have dumb kids (and as I said, it doesn't mean to be the rule; only possibilities).
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Post by jonbain on Aug 6, 2021 11:12:45 GMT
Eugene 2.0Of course there is some structure underlying the body. Just like in the days of alchemy, they knew there was some structure in elemental physics. And only by pursuing alchemy in a rigorous reductionist manner was the periodic table figured out. But DNA/genetic theory is at the same level as alchemy. They may have a few loose facts here and there, but the majority of it does not in any way follow a proper scientific method. Its all about trying to convince funders to give them money and enslaving people in ever more fascist institutions. A real understanding of the body cannot pay lip-service to the mind-body problem. The soul is a fact, as you correctly point out. And until that can be incorporated as a foundational feature of biology I shall consider any such DNA or genetic theory as a hostile state of nihilistic opportunism, preying on the ignorance of the weak and the children. Proof of the soul is here to be ignored by the reader: www.flight-light-and-spin.com/chapter/pandora-2.htm(you don't need this though)
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Post by jonbain on Aug 6, 2021 11:19:54 GMT
Eugene 2.0A point about dumb/smart kids/parents. I once worked in a Christian orphanage as a football coach. It was in a town of very ignorant people with 80% unemployment and beggars/thieves on every street corner just about. But those kids in the christian orphanage were smart, pleasant, and in fact the nicest kids i ever met. The society which had ejected them were fairly useless and miserable. I went there to simply give them something. They gave me so much more than what I gave them. Now that town has 70% unemployed. I am pretty sure those 'orphaned' kids made a big impact in that 10% positive result. As small as it may seem.
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Post by jonbain on Aug 6, 2021 11:25:03 GMT
MAYA-ELIt is quite clear who has unresolved anger issues here: you. I know that racists are merciless slavers that will put the yoke of slavery on anyone they can, even children. If slavery does not make you angry, then you are begging for that yoke yourself. But you are welcome to attack me if it satiates your frustration. My celibacy is a consequence of the very calm understanding that the problems of the world are under-pinned by over-population. So I can either be part of that problem, or part of the solution. Please attack some more. Hammer those nails into my hands and feet if you must. And pierce my side with your spear. Put a crown of thorns upon my head. I am honored to be anointed thus.
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Post by joustos on Aug 6, 2021 15:00:16 GMT
Jonbein, the burden of proof is on you, but I can see in this whole discussion that the interest is on agreeing or disasgreeing with you. My first question is, What do ypu consider authentic science? I am not an expert in genetics, but I have read that geneticists have not found anything in DNA that differentiates people of different races, wherefore some people have concluded that there are no races to begin with... and that those who admit of different races are racists (in the social sense, that is, belittlers of the Black race).// Perhaps we should distinguish Genetics and Geneticism (the belief that genetics, the science, is sufficiently advanced to corroborate what naturalists or philosophers have long learned about humans, such as cerebral/mental differences that are responsible for radically different cultures). Similarly in the past somebody distinguished Science and Scientism.// In a word, we need strong ethnologists, unafraid of charges of racism.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Aug 6, 2021 15:53:58 GMT
Eugene 2.0 A point about dumb/smart kids/parents. I once worked in a Christian orphanage as a football coach. It was in a town of very ignorant people with 80% unemployment and beggars/thieves on every street corner just about. But those kids in the christian orphanage were smart, pleasant, and in fact the nicest kids i ever met. The society which had ejected them were fairly useless and miserable. I went there to simply give them something. They gave me so much more than what I gave them. Now that town has 70% unemployed. I am pretty sure those 'orphaned' kids made a big impact in that 10% positive result. As small as it may seem. As I said surely no pure coincidence is there. My point is – Parent A has XYZ features /i.e. habits/ A child of A has at least one of X or Y or Z features If the child doesn't have X or Y or Z, it has something that X or Y or Z are consistent with.
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Post by jonbain on Aug 6, 2021 18:32:41 GMT
Eugene 2.0 A point about dumb/smart kids/parents. I once worked in a Christian orphanage as a football coach. It was in a town of very ignorant people with 80% unemployment and beggars/thieves on every street corner just about. But those kids in the christian orphanage were smart, pleasant, and in fact the nicest kids i ever met. The society which had ejected them were fairly useless and miserable. I went there to simply give them something. They gave me so much more than what I gave them. Now that town has 70% unemployed. I am pretty sure those 'orphaned' kids made a big impact in that 10% positive result. As small as it may seem. As I said surely no pure coincidence is there. My point is – Parent A has XYZ features /i.e. habits/ A child of A has at least one of X or Y or Z features If the child doesn't have X or Y or Z, it has something that X or Y or Z are consistent with. i see that only physical traits are passed down psychological traits are a result of either culture, free will, or past life experiences and have little or no connection to the body
other than obvious aspects dependent directly on physicality
this is why christianity eschews genetics in fact any truly transcendental ideology is uninterested in physical traits for the most part, except if it has direct effect
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Post by thesageofmainstreet on Aug 6, 2021 18:42:03 GMT
I think I agree with you. Unfortunatly, I don't know well this disciple. All I know about it is the school, and reading for some Philosophy of Science books, plus, maybe, the critics of some notions in it by Rudolph Carnap (who criticized a person named Drisch, and that that person wanted to use the notion "entelechy" in the science, while no strictly defining it). I read about a monk Mendel who firstly discovered the rules of the selection. On what I disagree with genetics. I think for me - not a biologist or a chemist one - it's simple - it's denying of the soul, rather presenting DNA that sums everything about you, and your future. I don't consider myself as a trash can - as it was said by Richard Dawkins who said that people are just containers for DNA. So, Dawkins did what none of philosophers even dared to do - he just expressed his own view of what the purpose of life is, making it the oath for all the generations. No, I think that everything is more difficult and complex that it's about just DNA. Despite of it, I think that DNA influences on us as living organisms. I mean in my life I noticed that people suffered or were happier because of their genes. And it also happens more often when smart parents have smart kids, while dumb parents have dumb kids (and as I said, it doesn't mean to be the rule; only possibilities). Whites Who Are Born Rich Hate and Fear All Other White PeopleThe feralphiles claim it is hypocrisy, but those who believe in racial genetic inferiority can be consistent even if they don't believe in individual genetic superiority within a superior race. Baseball is a good example. A player with Hall of Fame talent (Denny McClain) married the daughter of Hall of Famer Lou Boudreau. Their sons never played professionally. Secondly, although the players whose fathers played are thousands of times what random selection would produce, they still represent a minuscule percentage of the total number of those who play professionally. College graduates are never taught that the exception proves the rule. In fact, college is basically hereditary itself, not by talent but by the fact that it is designed only for richkids living off an allowance. The rest are no-talent brown-nosing teenagers who are afraid to grow up. So admission is all Affirmative Action: Blacks, Browns, Brown-Noses, and Bluebloods. Therefore, a system that reflects Birth-Class Supremacy is inferior, which is consistent with the fact the hereditary wealth, property, social influence, and political power is the well-hidden enemy of human progress.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Aug 6, 2021 18:46:46 GMT
As I said surely no pure coincidence is there. My point is – Parent A has XYZ features /i.e. habits/ A child of A has at least one of X or Y or Z features If the child doesn't have X or Y or Z, it has something that X or Y or Z are consistent with. i see that only physical traits are passed down psychological traits are a result of either culture, free will, or past life experiences and have little or no connection to the body
other than obvious aspects dependent directly on physicality
this is why christianity eschews genetics in fact any truly transcendental ideology is uninterested in physical traits for the most part, except if it has direct effect
And also a person who got certain habits is more or less free to work on them. For instance, if the parents of the person carrying some habits or a style of a self-working haven't released from the habits, the person will received them. That self-working as I see it is rather a spiritual procedure. Or it's close to psychology: the better a person sharp his will, the better scenario for the powers to do it his descendants will have.
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