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Post by Elizabeth on May 13, 2018 10:30:26 GMT
Are you for it or against? And why?
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Post by Elizabeth on May 17, 2018 0:07:49 GMT
Basically you look at how much they value the relationship. If they care about it they won't hurt it and if they don't care then you'll know. But it takes two. Loving each other through the good and bad times until death. And it's not taken out of context because Christianity is built only on love. Matthew 22:36-40 36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?” 37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets. This is why only a Christian husband for me who agrees to thia all. I wouldn't want to be the first in my family to marry a spouse who believes in divorce since a marriage is till death do you part! I grew up with the no divorce/no sex/etc mentality...by choice as my parents did not agree to it. Went to catholic college/seminary, watched christian couples and their problem, etc. Marriage, in modern christianity, is pretty much dead...along with the majority of christianity. Unless some Elijah figure comes forth Christianity will implode...it has become to weak and effiminate and lacks the necessary strength to give form to life. Most christian women are christian because they were raised that way and had no choice, hence a power struggle ensues in the marriage as she is dealing with paternal issues due to pressure from modern society.
If the man you "love" does not want to have sex with you, you are headed for trouble. I understand one partner may not be in the mood, that is normal, but when a woman tells him when or when not to have sex their is no "relationship based upon mediation" but rather a power play.
And I have to go because of time, will get back to this...
It's not dead. It's that many worship God in vain. And that's not worship. Many churches don't care about scripture either and in Revelation book only one church was approved from the examples given of other churches. So I'm picky on churches too. Mine will remove anyone from membership if they divorce. We have no divorces though since they respect the bible or else they can find a church that doesn't respect it. Shrug James 1:22 - But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. John 4:24 24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” |
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Post by DKTrav88 on May 17, 2018 0:56:00 GMT
That problem only occurs when the choice you’re making doesn’t have a moral foundation which should be taught by your parents. An arrangement only shows that your parents didn’t teach you well enough for you to make a choice on your own. If parents are not directly involved within their childrens lives (teaching from practical experience) they are not teaching them anything of value. The father and mother were directly involved with their children in agrarian and tribal societies until the beginning of the industrial revolution when the family was split up for factory work. If all a parent does is teach a child to think for himself, then the parents must logically be overruled as the sole authority and the power inevitably ends with the child. Now are we going back to those "days", no. But it gives a standard of measurement to compare differs in times and cultures in order to reason through the problems in our own. What an arrangement does is observe the long term relationship potential a child may not be able to see for himself/herself while balancing individual character traits etc. Muslim countries apply this and their family structures are "generally" (emphasis on the word general) more stable compared to Christain families which are no worse or better than secular institutional marriages.
We just don’t agree. The Bible has said the same thing for ages and the doctrine in it is perfect for instruction in righteousness and in marriage. Most “Christian” families today aren’t even Christian and most hardly read their bibles. Many people will just call themselves Christian because they go to church and wouldn’t be able to cite any scripture much less even paraphrase scripture or doctrine. You could even say secularism has taken hold of a huge amount of Christianity today. Arranged marriages go against freedom of choice which is a God given freedom. And not all people practiced arranged marriages before the industrial revolution, that’s a gross generalization. |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2018 14:06:10 GMT
It's not dead. It's that many worship God in vain. And that's not worship. Many churches don't care about scripture either and in Revelation book only one church was approved from the examples given of other churches. So I'm picky on churches too. Mine will remove anyone from membership if they divorce. We have no divorces though since they respect the bible or else they can find a church that doesn't respect it.  James 1:22 - But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. John 4:24 24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” The "spiritual" worlds we come from are completely different if those base rules are applied amidst the congregation. Hopefully your people maintain that, because it is rare. |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2018 14:28:19 GMT
We just don’t agree. The Bible has said the same thing for ages and the doctrine in it is perfect for instruction in righteousness and in marriage. Most “Christian” families today aren’t even Christian and most hardly read their bibles. Many people will just call themselves Christian because they go to church and wouldn’t be able to cite any scripture much less even paraphrase scripture or doctrine. You could even say secularism has taken hold of a huge amount of Christianity today. Arranged marriages go against freedom of choice which is a God given freedom. And not all people practiced arranged marriages before the industrial revolution, that’s a gross generalization. Actually the bible is neither for or against it, hence the argument of the thread:www.gotquestions.org/arranged-marriages.html.
As said before, and you can read this in the above thread I have posted arranged marriage is justified as long as it is balanced with the freewill of the potential recipients. In simpler terms arranged marriage can work under circumstances where the recipients allow it. Take for example the nature of the "arrangement" Elizabeth is familiar with from practical experience. There was an "arrangement", she said "no", and the arrangement was off. The difference, fundamentally, between arranged and non-arranged is community involvement considering the "marriage contract", intended or not, is a question of community involvement respective of the fact that marriage is a foundational structure of all civilizations. Marriage, intended or not, is not just a contract between individuals but one of the community as we can see in the necessity of "community ritual/contract" in the process itself regardless of the culture.This goes back to a problem of interpretation of "scripture" (biblical, koran, hindu, etc.) when it becomes a strict individual non-institutional endeavor as "x" person says one thing, "y" person say another, and inherent religious factions inevitably result. |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2018 15:31:47 GMT
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Post by DKTrav88 on May 17, 2018 19:05:08 GMT
We just don’t agree. The Bible has said the same thing for ages and the doctrine in it is perfect for instruction in righteousness and in marriage. Most “Christian” families today aren’t even Christian and most hardly read their bibles. Many people will just call themselves Christian because they go to church and wouldn’t be able to cite any scripture much less even paraphrase scripture or doctrine. You could even say secularism has taken hold of a huge amount of Christianity today. Arranged marriages go against freedom of choice which is a God given freedom. And not all people practiced arranged marriages before the industrial revolution, that’s a gross generalization. Actually the bible is neither for or against it, hence the argument of the thread:www.gotquestions.org/arranged-marriages.html.
As said before, and you can read this in the above thread I have posted arranged marriage is justified as long as it is balanced with the freewill of the potential recipients. In simpler terms arranged marriage can work under circumstances where the recipients allow it. Take for example the nature of the "arrangement" Elizabeth is familiar with from practical experience. There was an "arrangement", she said "no", and the arrangement was off. The difference, fundamentally, between arranged and non-arranged is community involvement considering the "marriage contract", intended or not, is a question of community involvement respective of the fact that marriage is a foundational structure of all civilizations. Marriage, intended or not, is not just a contract between individuals but one of the community as we can see in the necessity of "community ritual/contract" in the process itself regardless of the culture.This goes back to a problem of interpretation of "scripture" (biblical, koran, hindu, etc.) when it becomes a strict individual non-institutional endeavor as "x" person says one thing, "y" person say another, and inherent religious factions inevitably result.In an arranged marriage the bride and groom aren’t selected by each other, but by a third party. If the bride and groom select each other, it is then a personal choice between them both and no longer arranged because in an arranged marriage there is no pre-existing mutual attraction, no pre-existing personal relationship, and no pre-existing agreement between the bride and the groom, hence no free-choice. It is typically forced, there is no love involved, it’s literally blind. In Elizabeth’s experience, she didn’t know who she was being set up with, there was no personal relationship involved with the selected groom, so she denied it altogether as she did not get a choice. In a typical arranged marriage, neither the groom nor the bride have choice in who they want to marry; they are usually forced, and freedom of choice is eliminated. And in the Bible, freedom of choice is God given and apparent in the very first book, Genesis. Hence, the Bible is against a marriage that is not done through the choice of the bride and the groom. Choosing who you want to marry is literally the same thing as choosing to believe in Christ as your savior. In the Bible, Christ is described as the groom and the church as the bride and both will be brought together in marriage in the end of the world. It isn’t a forced marriage at all and we all have the free will to choose to believe in Christ or not, we all have the freedom to choose to be married to Him in the end of the world. A free-choice marriage is supposed to be love-based, so just because there is a lot more divorce going on in free-choice marriages does not at all mean they don’t work. To assume so would to be very superficial as we do not know the true reasons people have for getting married to begin with. Some freely marry others for wealth, some for lust, some just because they’re lonely, some because people think marriage is the next step in life, some because they think they’re getting too old, and some because they’re just settling with who they’re with and think there isn’t someone better for them. There are tons of reasons people freely marry, and quite clearly many of them are wrong. As I said free-choice marriage is supposed to be love-based; how can an arranged marriage be love-based if love wasn’t the motivating factor to get married in the first place? Easy answer is that they can’t be loved based and they never will be loved based when a third party has ulterior motivations. Most of the time the motivation isn’t the value for a martial relationship(for love), but rather familial relationships(to keep two families in good relations), like clans marrying their sons and daughters for the sake of keeping peace between them. If you have trouble keeping peace with your neighbors so much so that you have to force marry your son or daughter over to them just to keep the peace, then there is something wrong with you and your family, you and your family do not have love in your hearts, you have pride. |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2018 23:09:04 GMT
In an arranged marriage the bride and groom aren’t selected by each other, but by a third party. If the bride and groom select each other, it is then a personal choice between them both and no longer arranged because in an arranged marriage there is no pre-existing mutual attraction, no pre-existing personal relationship, and no pre-existing agreement between the bride and the groom, hence no free-choice. It is typically forced, there is no love involved, it’s literally blind. If a man and woman meet under "x" circumstances the circumstance themselves form the framework in which they meet and in these respects an absence of free will can simultaneously be argued. In regards to the arranged marriage, in regards to the common methods I have observed, the potential bride and groom have the option to choose a simple yes or no. The point is irrelevant however considering statistically marriages of personal choice have a high failure rate and are dependent upon cultural constructs that inhibit any lasting relationship over promoting it. The premise of individual choice having an inherent element of "love" from the beginning is false and easily seduced by a fading eroticism as the potential partners know very little about eachother...generally speaking. Arranged marriages often have an inherent element of "knowing" between families, friends, etc. so a higher degree of information of the individual is present in making a group decision.
You argue that "mutual attraction", or at least implied, is not the whole of love itself. Neither do pre-existing relationship generally extend from the majority of marriages...just a minute number. The marriage, while between individuals, is simultaneously an extension of the community itself considering the resulting family, and the children, are part of that very same community. Marriage, based upon love, is fundamentally a notion derived from the romanticism of the 19th and 20th century and correlates (not causes directly) with the disentagration of the modern family structure. Romance is strictly a power play where one party, usually the woman, is raised upon a pedestal causing an inherent dominant and subserviant dualism within the relationship. Most romances, are merely based upon not just the emulation of a woman but a general degree of irrational sacrifice on behalf of the man which hurts both parties.
In regards to the "free choice", one rarely "chooses" who they fall in love with...it just happens. So if freedom of choice is the problem in arranged marriages, by default this very same problem of choice nullifies the individuals.
In Elizabeth’s experience, she didn’t know who she was being set up with, there was no personal relationship involved with the selected groom, so she denied it altogether as she did not get a choice. She said "no", and her request was respect enough not to be sent through with...but that is what confuses me. If freedom of choice in regards to a spouse is the necessary element within that specific religious group why the situation? I was offered a fixed marriage in my youth...I said "hell no" because I was not attracted to the girl in the least...it ended there. Generally speaking, the potential bride and groom wishes are respected but even when there free will is contradicted we can still see this contradiction in the act of "falling in love" itself as often times it is not left to "choice".In a typical arranged marriage, neither the groom nor the bride have choice in who they want to marry; they are usually forced, and freedom of choice is eliminated. Another argument is: So what? If freedom of choice is the moral "right" of all individuals and we "force" that individual choice on them we end in a contradiction. The question of choice rarely lies in extremes, but one of "balance" and "mediation".And in the Bible, freedom of choice is God given and apparent in the very first book, Genesis. Hence, the Bible is against a marriage that is not done through the choice of the bride and the groom. No it is not, because the forced marriage was the "choice" of outside parties. Choice is determined, often times unfortunately, by force in cases where confusion exists. Quote me the scripture verse saying: A) The bible is the sole authority B) Arranged marriages are against God's will. Other than that it is strict interpretation from a religion whose current foundations are fundamentally in a state of chaos where multiple people, with contradictory opinions, are claiming God is speaking through them. Choosing who you want to marry is literally the same thing as choosing to believe in Christ as your savior. Not always...many religious people choose to believe in Christ because they are born into the circumstances and threatened with hell if they do not conform. If you are going from a strict "subjective" approach of personal relationship, you are under an assumption that arranged marriages (that which do not start in love) cannot end in love and that no degree of personalism is involved. If one is forced, under an extreme circumstance, to marry someone would it be less Christian if they did not love there spouse anyway? In the Bible, Christ is described as the groom and the church as the bride and both will be brought together in marriage in the end of the world. It isn’t a forced marriage at all and we all have the free will to choose to believe in Christ or not, we all have the freedom to choose to be married to Him in the end of the world. The marriage is happening whether we accept it or not.A free-choice marriage is supposed to be love-based, So are arranged marriages, but love is about extending beyond oneself not justifying personal whim which most free choice marriage start as...and why the majority end up failing. so just because there is a lot more divorce going on in free-choice marriages does not at all mean they don’t work. The same argument is applied to arranged marriages, the question is one of statistics and cultural differences. American relations do not work and generally, around the world, our women are regarded as "whores".To assume so would to be very superficial as we do not know the true reasons people have for getting married to begin with. Then you cannot apply the free choice argument to "individual choice" marriages.Some freely marry others for wealth, some for lust, some just because they’re lonely, some because people think marriage is the next step in life, some because they think they’re getting too old, and some because they’re just settling with who they’re with and think there isn’t someone better for them. There are tons of reasons people freely marry, and quite clearly many of them are wrong. As I said free-choice marriage is supposed to be love-based; how can an arranged marriage be love-based if love wasn’t the motivating factor to get married in the first place? If the love was pure, then why get married...platonic friendship will do. Now don't get me wrong, marriages can have friendships and most fail because of a lack of them, but marriage is about sex and economic security.Easy answer is that they can’t be loved based and they never will be loved based when a third party has ulterior motivations. Are they really loved base with the third party is a situation in which the people meet? The third party can equally be time and circumstance. Most of the time the motivation isn’t the value for a martial relationship(for love), but rather familial relationships(to keep two families in good relations), like clans marrying their sons and daughters for the sake of keeping peace between them. If you have trouble keeping peace with your neighbors so much so that you have to force marry your son or daughter over to them just to keep the peace, then there is something wrong with you and your family, you and your family do not have love in your hearts, you have pride. Interpretting the bible to fit one's own philosophy is an equal transgression of pride. If one has to get married because of "love", then why can't homosexual get marrieds (I don't believe they should, but the logic still applies). One would then say because homosexual, from the religious perspective, should not have sex...if that is the case then the "love" you argue for has an inherent element of eroticism involved...and according to your standards it is not true love in the platonic sense. |
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Post by Elizabeth on May 17, 2018 23:23:28 GMT
It's not dead. It's that many worship God in vain. And that's not worship. Many churches don't care about scripture either and in Revelation book only one church was approved from the examples given of other churches. So I'm picky on churches too. Mine will remove anyone from membership if they divorce. We have no divorces though since they respect the bible or else they can find a church that doesn't respect it. James 1:22 - But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. John 4:24 24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” The "spiritual" worlds we come from are completely different if those base rules are applied amidst the congregation. Hopefully your people maintain that, because it is rare.It is rare and the bible confirms it but these people still exist. Luke 13 24 “ Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able. Just comes down to if you're serious or not. And actions speak better than words. |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2018 23:29:28 GMT
It is rare and the bible confirms it but these people still exist. Luke 13 24 “ Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able. Just comes down to if you're serious or not. And actions speak better than words. That is my point, with the majority of Christianity I am not seeing any "fruits" other than multiple groups claiming selective interpretations at a much higher rate than the majority of other religions. Now does this argument claim Christianity is false? No, it can still be the correct faith and just have poor followers...it just seems in its current state a religion modified to seduce and meet the needs of women while ignoring the issues of men. |
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Post by DKTrav88 on May 17, 2018 23:38:23 GMT
In an arranged marriage the bride and groom aren’t selected by each other, but by a third party. If the bride and groom select each other, it is then a personal choice between them both and no longer arranged because in an arranged marriage there is no pre-existing mutual attraction, no pre-existing personal relationship, and no pre-existing agreement between the bride and the groom, hence no free-choice. It is typically forced, there is no love involved, it’s literally blind. If a man and woman meet under "x" circumstances the circumstance themselves form the framework in which they meet and in these respects an absence of free will can simultaneously be argued. In regards to the arranged marriage, in regards to the common methods I have observed, the potential bride and groom have the option to choose a simple yes or no. The point is irrelevant however considering statistically marriages of personal choice have a high failure rate and are dependent upon cultural constructs that inhibit any lasting relationship over promoting it. The premise of individual choice having an inherent element of "love" from the beginning is false and easily seduced by a fading eroticism as the potential partners know very little about eachother...generally speaking. Arranged marriages often have an inherent element of "knowing" between families, friends, etc. so a higher degree of information of the individual is present in making a group decision.
You argue that "mutual attraction", or at least implied, is not the whole of love itself. Neither do pre-existing relationship generally extend from the majority of marriages...just a minute number. The marriage, while between individuals, is simultaneously an extension of the community itself considering the resulting family, and the children, are part of that very same community. Marriage, based upon love, is fundamentally a notion derived from the romanticism of the 19th and 20th century and correlates (not causes directly) with the disentagration of the modern family structure. Romance is strictly a power play where one party, usually the woman, is raised upon a pedestal causing an inherent dominant and subserviant dualism within the relationship. Most romances, are merely based upon not just the emulation of a woman but a general degree of irrational sacrifice on behalf of the man which hurts both parties.
In regards to the "free choice", one rarely "chooses" who they fall in love with...it just happens. So if freedom of choice is the problem in arranged marriages, by default this very same problem of choice nullifies the individuals.
In Elizabeth’s experience, she didn’t know who she was being set up with, there was no personal relationship involved with the selected groom, so she denied it altogether as she did not get a choice. She said "no", and her request was respect enough not to be sent through with...but that is what confuses me. If freedom of choice in regards to a spouse is the necessary element within that specific religious group why the situation? I was offered a fixed marriage in my youth...I said "hell no" because I was not attracted to the girl in the least...it ended there. Generally speaking, the potential bride and groom wishes are respected but even when there free will is contradicted we can still see this contradiction in the act of "falling in love" itself as often times it is not left to "choice".In a typical arranged marriage, neither the groom nor the bride have choice in who they want to marry; they are usually forced, and freedom of choice is eliminated. Another argument is: So what? If freedom of choice is the moral "right" of all individuals and we "force" that individual choice on them we end in a contradiction. The question of choice rarely lies in extremes, but one of "balance" and "mediation".And in the Bible, freedom of choice is God given and apparent in the very first book, Genesis. Hence, the Bible is against a marriage that is not done through the choice of the bride and the groom. No it is not, because the forced marriage was the "choice" of outside parties. Choice is determined, often times unfortunately, by force in cases where confusion exists. Quote me the scripture verse saying: A) The bible is the sole authority B) Arranged marriages are against God's will. Other than that it is strict interpretation from a religion whose current foundations are fundamentally in a state of chaos where multiple people, with contradictory opinions, are claiming God is speaking through them. Choosing who you want to marry is literally the same thing as choosing to believe in Christ as your savior. Not always...many religious people choose to believe in Christ because they are born into the circumstances and threatened with hell if they do not conform. If you are going from a strict "subjective" approach of personal relationship, you are under an assumption that arranged marriages (that which do not start in love) cannot end in love and that no degree of personalism is involved. If one is forced, under an extreme circumstance, to marry someone would it be less Christian if they did not love there spouse anyway? In the Bible, Christ is described as the groom and the church as the bride and both will be brought together in marriage in the end of the world. It isn’t a forced marriage at all and we all have the free will to choose to believe in Christ or not, we all have the freedom to choose to be married to Him in the end of the world. The marriage is happening whether we accept it or not.A free-choice marriage is supposed to be love-based, So are arranged marriages, but love is about extending beyond oneself not justifying personal whim which most free choice marriage start as...and why the majority end up failing. so just because there is a lot more divorce going on in free-choice marriages does not at all mean they don’t work. The same argument is applied to arranged marriages, the question is one of statistics and cultural differences. American relations do not work and generally, around the world, our women are regarded as "whores".To assume so would to be very superficial as we do not know the true reasons people have for getting married to begin with. Then you cannot apply the free choice argument to "individual choice" marriages.Some freely marry others for wealth, some for lust, some just because they’re lonely, some because people think marriage is the next step in life, some because they think they’re getting too old, and some because they’re just settling with who they’re with and think there isn’t someone better for them. There are tons of reasons people freely marry, and quite clearly many of them are wrong. As I said free-choice marriage is supposed to be love-based; how can an arranged marriage be love-based if love wasn’t the motivating factor to get married in the first place? If the love was pure, then why get married...platonic friendship will do. Now don't get me wrong, marriages can have friendships and most fail because of a lack of them, but marriage is about sex and economic security.Easy answer is that they can’t be loved based and they never will be loved based when a third party has ulterior motivations. Are they really loved base with the third party is a situation in which the people meet? The third party can equally be time and circumstance. Most of the time the motivation isn’t the value for a martial relationship(for love), but rather familial relationships(to keep two families in good relations), like clans marrying their sons and daughters for the sake of keeping peace between them. If you have trouble keeping peace with your neighbors so much so that you have to force marry your son or daughter over to them just to keep the peace, then there is something wrong with you and your family, you and your family do not have love in your hearts, you have pride. Interpretting the bible to fit one's own philosophy is an equal transgression of pride. If one has to get married because of "love", then why can't homosexual get marrieds (I don't believe they should, but the logic still applies). One would then say because homosexual, from the religious perspective, should not have sex...if that is the case then the "love" you argue for has an inherent element of eroticism involved...and according to your standards it is not true love in the platonic sense.We aren’t going to agree on anything because you use different definitions than I do for just about everything  So no point in continuing the discussion. All I will say is that your argument conflicts with itself and I don’t have the time to sift through your post and show you how your argument is conflicting as I work for a living. |
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Post by Elizabeth on May 17, 2018 23:40:07 GMT
@eodnhoj7 I was shoved a picture. He was on the couch sitting with his parents taken especially for me. And my no wasn't respected completely technically. Went like this. About 5 years ago... Person setting this up: You will marry and I will make sure of it. Me: You won't succeed. Person setting this up: I will make sure I will. A few months later... Person setting this up: shows me a photo on their camera. Me: Who are these people? Person setting it up: That's your future husband with his parents. I am setting up the wedding with them as we speak. Do you want it done in their country? Me: Nowhere *returns camera* Person setting it up: Ok, I will make the decisions. Me: Go ahead. Enjoy the wedding. Send me some pics of how it went. A week later... Person setting it up: Ok, I have arranged for you to speak to him via Skype. When shall we do it? I will be there during it too. Me: Never. Person setting it up: They won't be happy. Me: At least I will be. A few days later.... Person setting it up: They gave up. They think I'm making you up. New family.... Me: Well, you did make up a bride. But no my family isn't for arranged marriages. This person was scolded by them for this to leave me alone. We all have that one odd family member....  |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2018 23:45:34 GMT
We aren’t going to agree on anything because you use different definitions than I do for just about everything So no point in continuing the discussion. |
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Post by DKTrav88 on May 17, 2018 23:48:07 GMT
We aren’t going to agree on anything because you use different definitions than I do for just about everything So no point in continuing the discussion. Quite obviously your definition of love is way different than mine. You think it’s just romanticism, which tells me you don’t know what love is. |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2018 23:52:20 GMT
@eodnhoj7 I was shoved a picture. He was on the couch sitting with his parents taken especially for me. And my no wasn't respected completely technically. Went like this. About 5 years ago... Person setting this up: You will marry and I will make sure of it. Me: You won't succeed. Person setting this up: I will make sure I will. A few months later... Person setting this up: shows me a photo on their camera. Me: Who are these people? Person setting it up: That's your future husband with his parents. I am setting up the wedding with them as we speak. Do you want it done in their country? Me: Nowhere *returns camera* Person setting it up: Ok, I will make the decisions. Me: Go ahead. Enjoy the wedding. Send me some pics of how it went. A week later... Person setting it up: Ok, I have arranged for you to speak to him via Skype. When shall we do it? I will be there during it too. Me: Never. Person setting it up: They won't be happy. Me: At least I will be. A few days later.... Person setting it up: They gave up. They think I'm making you up. New family.... Me: Well, you did make up a bride. But no my family isn't for arranged marriages. This person was scolded by them for this to leave me alone. We all have that one odd family member.... Mine? About 15 years ago... given a picture by my father Me: Uhh...no... Father: You sure? She seems real nice... Me: I am not attracted to her.... Father: Okay. Well that was embellished a bit but that give a general definition to the situation. Then real life hit in years later and I found the irony about how easy it was to get laid but difficult to maintain a relationship. No win situation for a man, if I sleep around my conscious will kill me, if I don't sleep around left out by social group. The simple truth, from personal experience and observing the live of those around me, is that the majority of women have no consciences and are shallow...works for me, though, now I don't have to worry about taking care of a family. Most men will not get married in the future because they will not put up with the woman's behavior. |
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