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Post by Διαμονδ on Mar 26, 2018 22:38:53 GMT
What parts of the Bible do you find most interesting? It does not matter whether you are a Christian or not ... But many of us have read and know the Bible story!
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Mar 30, 2018 7:20:35 GMT
I've found the verse that completely destroys your arguement and that is Job 38:7 biblehub.com/job/38-7.htm When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? The full context is here www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Job+38&version=NIV It is speaking about when God created the earth and all creation celebrated. The Sons of God were present when God was laying the foundations of the earth. The word used here is B'nai Ha Elohim the same word used for the heavenly counsel earlier in Job 2 and the same word used in Genesis six to describe the progenitors of the Nephilim. Note that Job 38:7 says that the sons of God were shouting for joy while the earth's foundations were being laid meaning that the sons of God existed before the earth was created. Humans were created after everything else on the sixth day so these couldn't be humans, they had to be something that existed before the earth came into being alarmingly angels or some other celestial being. This slams the argument down pat I think. The Sons of God were angels or some other divine being. You’re still refusing to address John 1:12 John 1:12 refers to believers who've recieved the Holy Spirit and have been born again. This refers to these people SPECIFICALLY. Hoseah refers to the Israelites specifically, the tern B'nai Ha Elohim, translated sons of God refers to angels consistently and SPECIFICALLY. Now address my last post because that's pretty rock solid evidence that I'm right. I understand that you don't want to admit your wrong because I've been a jerk and I'm very sorry I have been, I apologize for my unchristian behavior.
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Post by Elizabeth on Mar 30, 2018 7:20:39 GMT
Also it was God who gave everyone the land where to live. Arba was from Hebron and gave birth to Anak and Anak had a tall gene to pass to his decendants like people can pass midget genes to their decents. Nothing too bad but not a normal or too positive of a thing either. Life is hard for people who are too tall or short or don't fit in due to other genetic stuff too. Shrug
Joshua 15:3 In accordance with the LORD’s command to him, Joshua gave to Caleb son of Jephunneh a portion in Judah—Kiriath Arba, that is, Hebron. (Arba was the forefather of Anak.)
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Mar 30, 2018 7:22:27 GMT
Also it was God who gave everyone the land where to live. Arba was from Hebron and gave birth to Anak and Anak had a tall gene to pass to his decendants like people can pass midget genes to their decents. Nothing too bad but not a normal or too positive of a thing either. Life is hard for people who are too tall or short or don't fit in due to other genetic stuff too. Joshua 15:3 In accordance with the LORD’s command to him, Joshua gave to Caleb son of Jephunneh a portion in Judah—Kiriath Arba, that is, Hebron. (Arba was the forefather of Anak.) This is what I wish to have adressed. I've found the verse that completely destroys your arguement and that is Job 38:7 biblehub.com/job/38-7.htm While the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? The full context is here www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Job+38&version=NIV It is speaking about when God created the earth and all creation celebrated. The Sons of God were present when God was laying the foundations of the earth. The word used here is B'nai Ha Elohim the same word used for the heavenly counsel earlier in Job 2 and the same word used in Genesis six to describe the progenitors of the Nephilim. Note that Job 38:7 says that the sons of God were shouting for joy while the earth's foundations were being laid meaning that the sons of God existed before the earth was created. Humans were created after everything else on the sixth day so these couldn't be humans, they had to be something that existed before the earth came into being specifically angels or some other celestial being. This slams the argument down pat I think. The Sons of God were angels or some other celestial being.
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Post by Elizabeth on Mar 30, 2018 7:29:15 GMT
Also it was God who gave everyone the land where to live. Arba was from Hebron and gave birth to Anak and Anak had a tall gene to pass to his decendants like people can pass midget genes to their decents. Nothing too bad but not a normal or too positive of a thing either. Life is hard for people who are too tall or short or don't fit in due to other genetic stuff too. Joshua 15:3 In accordance with the LORD’s command to him, Joshua gave to Caleb son of Jephunneh a portion in Judah—Kiriath Arba, that is, Hebron. (Arba was the forefather of Anak.) This is what I wish to have adressed. I've found the verse that completely destroys your arguement and that is Job 38:7 biblehub.com/job/38-7.htm While the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? The full context is here www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Job+38&version=NIV It is speaking about when God created the earth and all creation celebrated. The Sons of God were present when God was laying the foundations of the earth. The word used here is B'nai Ha Elohim the same word used for the heavenly counsel earlier in Job 2 and the same word used in Genesis six to describe the progenitors of the Nephilim. Note that Job 38:7 says that the sons of God were shouting for joy while the earth's foundations were being laid meaning that the sons of God existed before the earth was created. Humans were created after everything else on the sixth day so these couldn't be humans, they had to be something that existed before the earth came into being specifically angels or some other celestial being. This slams the argument down pat I think. The Sons of God were angels or some other celestial being. Yeah stars can sing and hum in space it's quite pretty. And of course demons and angels existed before humans so I'm sure angels would be happy and rejoicing when God creates things. I'm confused.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Mar 30, 2018 7:29:26 GMT
That verse is referring to the Israelites specifically and no one else. There were no Israelites before the flood so those sons of God are obviously different sons of God than are mentioned later which is a huge gaping hole in your argument. As for the afterlife before Jesus's time that is complicated subject but is actually illustrated by the story of Lazarus and the rich man. They didn't go to heaven before Jesus's time. Everyone was in the same afterlife but the wicked and the righteous were separated by a great chasm that couldn't be crossed. Well that makes the word of God inconsistent; sons of God doesn’t mean the same thing throughout the entire Bible because if the book of Enoch and corrupt versions. How about addressing John 1:12 now To reiterate my point here's a take on it by experts who study Hebrew on who the sons of God are blog.israelbiblicalstudies.com/jewish-studies/story-flood-not-know/ Every instance B'nai Ha Elohim which is not found in Hosea or in the New Testament (remember they weren't written in English and you're only reading a translation that happens to say sons of God but its not the same word) but only three times in the Bible, in Job twice, in and in Genesis six referring to the progenitors of the Nephilim it refers to angels or some other celestial being.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Mar 30, 2018 7:35:33 GMT
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Post by DKTrav88 on Mar 30, 2018 7:36:46 GMT
You’re still refusing to address John 1:12 John 1:12 refers to believers who've recieved the Holy Spirit and have been born again. This refers to these people SPECIFICALLY. Hoseah refers to the Israelites specifically, the tern B'nai Ha Elohim, translated sons of God refers to angels consistently and SPECIFICALLY. Now address my last post because that's pretty rock solid evidence that I'm right. I understand that you don't want to admit your wrong because I've been a jerk and I'm very sorry I have been, I apologize for my unchristian behavior. Right, you’re otherwise saying that God’s word is inconsistent, that sons of God has different meanings throughout. Still don’t know why you changed it from “when” to “while”. One is present tense and the other is future tense. But go ahead and believe what you want and change God’s word to what you think it should say and should mean. I’ll stick with the scripture and scripture only. Genesis 6:4 KJV [4] There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. It literally says there were giants on the earth in the days of Noah and also after the days of Noah. (Hmmm well that could only mean all men were giants before the flood as Noah and his family were the only living souls on earth after the flood and giants were on earth after the flood.. that’s a no brainer, not a hard concept to comprehend, and I didn’t even need to go read another book to understand that) Believers in God had children with daughters of men and these men were mighty men, men of renown. (This doesn’t imply anything unless you put a presupposition behind it, men of renown, renown means famous, that is all it means, and mighty men means just that, they were mighty as anyone would expect a giant to be. Not only that but they were MEN.)
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Post by DKTrav88 on Mar 30, 2018 7:45:46 GMT
Well that makes the word of God inconsistent; sons of God doesn’t mean the same thing throughout the entire Bible because if the book of Enoch and corrupt versions. How about addressing John 1:12 now To reiterate my point here's a take on it by experts who study Hebrew on who the sons of God are blog.israelbiblicalstudies.com/jewish-studies/story-flood-not-know/ Every instance B'nai Ha Elohim which is not found in Hosea or in the New Testament (remember they weren't written in English and you're only reading a translation that happens to say sons of God but its not the same word) but only three times in the Bible, in Job twice, in and in Genesis six referring to the progenitors of the Nephilim it refers to angels or some other celestial being. I honestly don’t care what the Hebrew says because I can’t read or understand it. My faith is in God’s promise to preserve His word forever. If you have that kind of faith you don’t need to go back to other languages to understand what it says because God keeps His promises.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Mar 30, 2018 7:48:52 GMT
John 1:12 refers to believers who've recieved the Holy Spirit and have been born again. This refers to these people SPECIFICALLY. Hoseah refers to the Israelites specifically, the tern B'nai Ha Elohim, translated sons of God refers to angels consistently and SPECIFICALLY. Now address my last post because that's pretty rock solid evidence that I'm right. I understand that you don't want to admit your wrong because I've been a jerk and I'm very sorry I have been, I apologize for my unchristian behavior. Right, you’re otherwise saying that God’s word is inconsistent, that sons of God has different meanings throughout. Still don’t know why you changed it from “when” to “while”. One is present tense and the other is future tense. But go ahead and believe what you want and change God’s word to what you think it should say and should mean. I’ll stick with the scripture and scripture only. Genesis 6:4 KJV [4] There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. It literally says there were giants on the in the days of Noah and also after the days of Noah. (Hmmm well that could only mean all men were giants before the flood as Noah and his family were the only living souls on earth after the flood and giants were on earth after the flood.. that’s a no brainer, not a hard concept to comprehend, and I didn’t even need to go read another book to understand that) Believers in God had children with daughters of men and these men were mighty men, men of renown. (This doesn’t imply anything unless you put a presupposition behind it, men of renown, renown means famous, that is all it means, and mighty men means just that, they were mighty as anyone would expect a giant to be. Not only that but they were MEN.) You do realize the words in the original language translated "sons of god" were not the same right? They were translated as such in English but they are not the same. B'nai Ha Elohim is the word used to refer the sons of God in the Nephilim story and only appears three times, in Genesis, and twice in Job once to refer to the heavenly counsel, and next to refer to beings singing for joy while of when it doesn't really matter because if they're singing WHEN the earth is being created it means that they are singing for joy at the same time God is laying the foundations of the earth. If I'm there WHEN there is a car crash I am present at the event at the time. And yes it does say that there were Nephilim after the flood, we meet them when the Jews war with Canann. They are probably also the scion of fallen angels who did the deed after the flood. Just admit that you're wrong already so I can go to bed.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Mar 30, 2018 7:50:20 GMT
To reiterate my point here's a take on it by experts who study Hebrew on who the sons of God are blog.israelbiblicalstudies.com/jewish-studies/story-flood-not-know/ Every instance B'nai Ha Elohim which is not found in Hosea or in the New Testament (remember they weren't written in English and you're only reading a translation that happens to say sons of God but its not the same word) but only three times in the Bible, in Job twice, in and in Genesis six referring to the progenitors of the Nephilim it refers to angels or some other celestial being. I honestly don’t care what the Hebrew says because I can’t read or understand it. My faith is in God’s promise to preserve His word forever. If you have that kind of faith you don’t need to go back to other languages to understand what it says because God keeps His promises. And your argument has literally tanked. "I don't need none of that book learnin!" .
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Post by Elizabeth on Mar 30, 2018 7:54:01 GMT
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Mar 30, 2018 7:54:49 GMT
To reiterate my point here's a take on it by experts who study Hebrew on who the sons of God are blog.israelbiblicalstudies.com/jewish-studies/story-flood-not-know/ Every instance B'nai Ha Elohim which is not found in Hosea or in the New Testament (remember they weren't written in English and you're only reading a translation that happens to say sons of God but its not the same word) but only three times in the Bible, in Job twice, in and in Genesis six referring to the progenitors of the Nephilim it refers to angels or some other celestial being. I honestly don’t care what the Hebrew says because I can’t read or understand it. My faith is in God’s promise to preserve His word forever. If you have that kind of faith you don’t need to go back to other languages to understand what it says because God keeps His promises. Whats also hilarious is that you have faith in God to preserve his word forever but you reject the NIV as corrupted. Well genius you maybe think that some of that stuff also got lost in translation in the King James or whatever you read? If the NiV can be corrupted so can your translation. Actually that would mean the only uncorrupted version is the original Hebrew facepalm.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Mar 30, 2018 7:56:24 GMT
Right, you’re otherwise saying that God’s word is inconsistent, that sons of God has different meanings throughout. Still don’t know why you changed it from “when” to “while”. One is present tense and the other is future tense. But go ahead and believe what you want and change God’s word to what you think it should say and should mean. I’ll stick with the scripture and scripture only. Genesis 6:4 KJV [4] There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. It literally says there were giants on the in the days of Noah and also after the days of Noah. (Hmmm well that could only mean all men were giants before the flood as Noah and his family were the only living souls on earth after the flood and giants were on earth after the flood.. that’s a no brainer, not a hard concept to comprehend, and I didn’t even need to go read another book to understand that) Believers in God had children with daughters of men and these men were mighty men, men of renown. (This doesn’t imply anything unless you put a presupposition behind it, men of renown, renown means famous, that is all it means, and mighty men means just that, they were mighty as anyone would expect a giant to be. Not only that but they were MEN.) You do realize the words in the original language translated "sons of god" were not the same right? They were translated as such in English but they are not the same. B'nai Ha Elohim is the word used to refer the sons of God in the Nephilim story and only appears three times, in Genesis, and twice in Job once to refer to the heavenly counsel, and next to refer to beings singing for joy while of when it doesn't really matter because if they're singing WHEN the earth is being created it means that they are singing for joy at the same time God is laying the foundations of the earth. If I'm there when there is a car crash I am present at the event at the time. And yes it does say that there were Nephilim after the flood, we meet them when the Jews war with Canann. They are probably also the scion of fallen angels who did the deed after the flood. Just admit that you're wrong already so I can go to bed. You’re not a Hebrew scholar. This isn’t about me being right or wrong wow narcissist much? This about what God’s word says and I’ve mentioned some things to you but you aren’t going to take the time to look into them because you’re stuck on a third party book and what scholars say words mean in the Bible. My faith is in the scripture, not in what any man says. All men are liars according to scripture. God cannot lie, so if God promises to preserve His word forever I can open up my KJV and bam, there’s God’s word right there clear as crystal for me to read and understand. Seems that isn’t how it works for you. You have to go ask others what it means. Look into what I said about corrupt bible versions, maybe it’ll change your mind, or maybe it won’t. Seems you love more fantastic things than simple things. God’s word wasn’t fascinating enough so you have to find a source that makes it fascinating so you’re entertained. I’m about done. Have a nice night
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Post by DKTrav88 on Mar 30, 2018 7:58:36 GMT
I honestly don’t care what the Hebrew says because I can’t read or understand it. My faith is in God’s promise to preserve His word forever. If you have that kind of faith you don’t need to go back to other languages to understand what it says because God keeps His promises. Whats also hilarious is that you have faith in God to preserve his word forever but you reject the NIV as corrupted. Well genius you maybe think that some of that stuff also got lost in translation in the King James or whatever you read? If the NiV can be corrupted so can your translation. Actually that would mean the only uncorrupted version is the original Hebrew facepalm. You really have no idea what I’m talking about go look into it instead of looking ignorant
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Post by DKTrav88 on Mar 30, 2018 8:03:32 GMT
I honestly don’t care what the Hebrew says because I can’t read or understand it. My faith is in God’s promise to preserve His word forever. If you have that kind of faith you don’t need to go back to other languages to understand what it says because God keeps His promises. And your argument has literally tanked. "I don't need none of that book learnin!" . Pretty disrespectful of you, what was that you call yourself? Tell you what, you go ahead and rely on men. I’ll rely on God, mkay?
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