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Post by Διαμονδ on Mar 26, 2018 22:38:53 GMT
What parts of the Bible do you find most interesting?  It does not matter whether you are a Christian or not ... But many of us have read and know the Bible story!
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Mar 30, 2018 8:05:07 GMT
You do realize the words in the original language translated "sons of god" were not the same right? They were translated as such in English but they are not the same. B'nai Ha Elohim is the word used to refer the sons of God in the Nephilim story and only appears three times, in Genesis, and twice in Job once to refer to the heavenly counsel, and next to refer to beings singing for joy while of when it doesn't really matter because if they're singing WHEN the earth is being created it means that they are singing for joy at the same time God is laying the foundations of the earth. If I'm there when there is a car crash I am present at the event at the time. And yes it does say that there were Nephilim after the flood, we meet them when the Jews war with Canann. They are probably also the scion of fallen angels who did the deed after the flood. Just admit that you're wrong already so I can go to bed. You’re not a Hebrew scholar. This isn’t about me being right or wrong   narcissist much? This about what God’s word says and I’ve mentioned some things to you but you aren’t going to take the time to look into them because you’re stuck on a third party book and what scholars say words mean in the Bible. My faith is in the scripture, not in what any man says. All men are liars according to scripture. God cannot lie, so if God promises to preserve His word forever I can open up my KJV and bam, there’s God’s word right there clear as crystal for me to read and understand. Seems that isn’t how it works for you. You have to go ask others what it means. Look into what I said about corrupt bible versions, maybe it’ll change your mind, or maybe it won’t. Seems you love more fantastic things than simple things. God’s word wasn’t fascinating enough so you have to find a source that makes it fascinating so you’re entertained. I’m about done. Have a nice night Oh yes, God will preserve is word fully no matter what yet paradoxically some translations are corrupted except of course the version you're reading that is. I'm not a scholar in Hebrew true, but my link was from a scholar in Hebrew so I'll just take their word for it. You did not adress the elephant in the room regarding the sons of God shouting for joy when God was laying the foundations of the earth in Job 38 except to say, "well I don't trust that translation," showing yourself to be an inconsistent hypocrite and a petty one at that. Now you run with your tail between your legs. Good riddance. |
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Post by DKTrav88 on Mar 30, 2018 8:08:49 GMT
You’re not a Hebrew scholar. This isn’t about me being right or wrong narcissist much? This about what God’s word says and I’ve mentioned some things to you but you aren’t going to take the time to look into them because you’re stuck on a third party book and what scholars say words mean in the Bible. My faith is in the scripture, not in what any man says. All men are liars according to scripture. God cannot lie, so if God promises to preserve His word forever I can open up my KJV and bam, there’s God’s word right there clear as crystal for me to read and understand. Seems that isn’t how it works for you. You have to go ask others what it means. Look into what I said about corrupt bible versions, maybe it’ll change your mind, or maybe it won’t. Seems you love more fantastic things than simple things. God’s word wasn’t fascinating enough so you have to find a source that makes it fascinating so you’re entertained. I’m about done. Have a nice night Oh yes, God will preserve is word fully no matter what yet paradoxically some translations are corrupted except of course the version you're reading that is. I'm not a scholar in Hebrew true, but my link was from a scholar in Hebrew so I'll just take their word for it. You did not adress the elephant in the room regarding the sons of God shouting for joy when God was laying the foundations of the earth in Job 38 except to say, "well I don't trust that translation," showing yourself to be an inconsistent hypocrite and a petty one at that. Now you run with your tail between your legs. Good riddance.  this guy. You don’t know anything about corrupt translations and you’re admitting it. Go look into it then we can talk, mkay? |
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Mar 30, 2018 8:09:29 GMT
, whatever dude; you don't agree with something you call it a corrupt translation. The fact is its you who just look at the Bible and believe whatever you want to believe. |
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Post by DKTrav88 on Mar 30, 2018 8:12:18 GMT
Yep, whatever
Go look into it. It’s all I’m gonna say. Look into it. Don’t act like you don’t have the capacity to look into it.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Mar 30, 2018 8:13:02 GMT
Seriously, either God preserves his word no matter what or things can be corrupted or lost in translation, pick one.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Mar 30, 2018 8:16:00 GMT
Seriously, either God preserves his word no matter what or things can be corrupted or lost in translation, pick one. Both happen. Both have been happening. God can preserve His word forever and it can be corrupted by man all at the same time. Is this a hard concept to grasp? |
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Mar 30, 2018 8:21:02 GMT
Believers in God had children with daughters of men and these men were mighty men, men of renown. (This doesn’t imply anything unless you put a presupposition behind it, men of renown, renown means famous, that is all it means, and mighty men means just that, they were mighty as anyone would expect a giant to be. Not only that but they were MEN.) This, this is an example of how weak your argument is because this is what the Bible said. 6 When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not contend with humans forever, for they are mortal; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”
Literally God gets so angry with this supposedly moral act that he shortens humanity's life span to 120 years right after the act is mentioned.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Mar 30, 2018 8:25:43 GMT
Believers in God had children with daughters of men and these men were mighty men, men of renown. (This doesn’t imply anything unless you put a presupposition behind it, men of renown, renown means famous, that is all it means, and mighty men means just that, they were mighty as anyone would expect a giant to be. Not only that but they were MEN.) This, this is an example of how weak your argument is because this is what the Bible said. 6 When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not contend with humans forever, for they are mortal; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”
Literally God gets so angry with this supposedly moral act that he shortens humanity's life span to 120 years right after the act is mentioned.
The NIV isn’t a Bible, it’s corrupt. Look into it. Are you catholic? |
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Mar 30, 2018 8:28:09 GMT
Seriously, either God preserves his word no matter what or things can be corrupted or lost in translation, pick one. Both happen. Both have been happening. God can preserve His word forever and it can be corrupted by man all at the same time. Is this a hard concept to grasp? Oh, but how do you know which version is the uncorrupted version all wise one? Do you just pick one and role with it. Really the only one we can know for sure that isn't corrupted in that case is the original Hebrew (Old Testament) and Greek (New Testament). Ah but screw that right? You realize that the translations of the Bible you read are done by humans and they don't always convey everything in the clearest possible way? The king James Version had unicorns when the Bible was talking about Rhinos for instance. Hebrew is a very different language than English and sometimes subtleties are lost in translation leading to our current argument. Some words for the same thing like Sons of God for instance have many different words to convey that term in many different ways. In the Greek there are many words for love for instance www.yesmagazine.org/happiness/the-ancient-greeks-6-words-for-love-and-why-knowing-them-can-change-your-life |
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Mar 30, 2018 8:31:30 GMT
The NIV isn’t a Bible, it’s corrupt. Look into it. Are you catholic? In this link www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+6&version=GW on the Website in the upper left hand corner you can choose any translation your heart desires of Genesis 6. It says the same bloody thing in all of them regarding the 120 year punishment. |
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Post by DKTrav88 on Mar 30, 2018 8:40:17 GMT
Both happen. Both have been happening. God can preserve His word forever and it can be corrupted by man all at the same time. Is this a hard concept to grasp? Oh, but how do you know which version is the uncorrupted version all wise one? Do you just pick one and role with it. Really the only one we can know for sure that isn't corrupted in that case is the original Hebrew (Old Testament) and Greek (New Testament). Ah but screw that right? You realize that the translations of the Bible you read are done by humans and they don't always convey everything in the clearest possible way? The king James Version had unicorns when the Bible was talking about Rhinos for instance. Hebrew is a very different language than English and sometimes subtleties are lost in translation leading to our current argument. Some words for the same thing like Sons of God for instance have many different words to convey that term in many different ways. In the Greek there are many words for love for instance www.yesmagazine.org/happiness/the-ancient-greeks-6-words-for-love-and-why-knowing-them-can-change-your-lifeSo you don’t believe we have God’s perfect word today or what? You’re asking me like I’m some kind of authority when I’m not. I asked you to look into it because I don’t want you to take my word for it. Look it up already and stop wasting my time. |
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Mar 30, 2018 8:49:02 GMT
Oh, but how do you know which version is the uncorrupted version all wise one? Do you just pick one and role with it. Really the only one we can know for sure that isn't corrupted in that case is the original Hebrew (Old Testament) and Greek (New Testament). Ah but screw that right? You realize that the translations of the Bible you read are done by humans and they don't always convey everything in the clearest possible way? The king James Version had unicorns when the Bible was talking about Rhinos for instance. Hebrew is a very different language than English and sometimes subtleties are lost in translation leading to our current argument. Some words for the same thing like Sons of God for instance have many different words to convey that term in many different ways. In the Greek there are many words for love for instance www.yesmagazine.org/happiness/the-ancient-greeks-6-words-for-love-and-why-knowing-them-can-change-your-lifeSo you don’t believe we have God’s perfect word today or what? You’re asking me like I’m some kind of authority when I’m not. I asked you to look into it because I don’t want you to take my word for it. Look it up already and stop wasting my time. I do. The translations are all in all pretty good and convey the meaning, message, and words of the Bible pretty well. But sometimes as I said some subtleties get lost in translating to English second hand from Latin or directly from ancient Hebrew. My preachers often go back to to the original Greek or Hebrew words of the Bible to paint a clearer picture of what was meant by what was said. Was the Greek word Agope used which means love for everyone or was the Greek word Philia used which means love of a friend? Those two words mean different things but in English they are both rightfully translated love. Listen I'm sorry for being a Jerk, I try not to debate people because of this because I get incensed when I cannot change peoples mind and I'm very competative. Lets end the discussion right here. I'm sorry for insulting you, and I apologize for good this time. |
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Post by Διαμονδ on Mar 30, 2018 9:03:47 GMT
The truth is that you both argue about a very mystical place in the Bible. But it normal!
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Post by Elizabeth on Mar 30, 2018 9:51:27 GMT
But yeah I picked new testament books because OT is Judaism not Christianity |
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It does not matter whether you are a Christian or not ... But many of us have read and know the Bible story!
narcissist much?
this guy. You don’t know anything about corrupt translations and you’re admitting it. Go look into it then we can talk, mkay?
