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Post by Διαμονδ on Mar 26, 2018 22:38:53 GMT
What parts of the Bible do you find most interesting? It does not matter whether you are a Christian or not ... But many of us have read and know the Bible story!
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Post by DKTrav88 on Mar 30, 2018 6:21:27 GMT
Unfortunately for you, I don’t read the NIV because it’s corrupted. It’s better used as fire starter. The first quote you used from the KJV was a correct translation. And links aren’t going to help you here. Sola scriptura.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Mar 30, 2018 6:25:00 GMT
beginningandend.com/nephilim-giants-bible/ This link goes into the Hebrew meaning of the sons of God. It denotes heavenly beings and when it is used elsewhere in the old testament it again denotes heavenly beings. Yes, the Anak people God made giant. He then destroyed them as well. Angels however when they would appear would have the appearance of normal men most of the time as in height. Here's one example of many. Joshua 5. 13 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries? 14 And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the Lord am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my Lord unto his servant? 15 And the captain of the Lord's host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so. Also it was Joshua himself who killed off the offspring of the Anakin giants. Joshua 11:22 No Anakites were left in Israelite territory; only in Gaza, Gath and Ashdod did any survive. Here's how we know Anakites are Anak. Joshua 15:14 14 From Hebron Caleb drove out the three Anakites—Sheshai, Ahiman and Talmai, the sons of Anak. So if the giants were angels...how can a human (Joshua) kill them? Angels are more powerful than us The Nephilim are not angels they're hybrid between mankind and angels. They can die in the same manner as mortals as they did when God sent the flood. I encourage you to read the links posted above the case for the sons of god being angels. The passage of scripture Genesis 6:1-4 makes no sense with this just being followers of god mating with unbelievers. Why would it even warrant a mention if this were the case? And why did God get so angry that he shortened humankind lifespan to 120 years?
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Post by Elizabeth on Mar 30, 2018 6:25:25 GMT
One angel can kill many people. So if there were many giant angels then Joshua wouldn't kill a single one. 2 Kings 19:35 And it came to pass on a certain night that the angel of the Lord went out, and killed in the camp of the Assyrians one hundred and eighty-five thousand; and when people arose early in the morning, there were the corpses—all dead.
But if they're just tall human giants then even little boy David can kill one with a slingshot Shrug
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Post by DKTrav88 on Mar 30, 2018 6:29:08 GMT
Yes, the Anak people God made giant. He then destroyed them as well. Angels however when they would appear would have the appearance of normal men most of the time as in height. Here's one example of many. Joshua 5. 13 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries? 14 And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the Lord am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my Lord unto his servant? 15 And the captain of the Lord's host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so. Also it was Joshua himself who killed off the offspring of the Anakin giants. Joshua 11:22 No Anakites were left in Israelite territory; only in Gaza, Gath and Ashdod did any survive. Here's how we know Anakites are Anak. Joshua 15:14 14 From Hebron Caleb drove out the three Anakites—Sheshai, Ahiman and Talmai, the sons of Anak. So if the giants were angels...how can a human (Joshua) kill them? Angels are more powerful than us The Nephilim are not angels they're hybrid between mankind and angels. They can die in the same manner as mortals as they did when God sent the flood. I encourage you to read the links posted above the case for the sons of god being angels. The passage of scripture Genesis 6:1-4 makes no sense with this just being followers of god mating with unbelievers. Why would it even warrant a mention if this were the case? And why did God get so angry that he shortened humankind lifespan to 120 years? Why doesn’t it makes sense if it’s believers in God mating with unbelievers? And who said it’s unbelievers? The KJV says “daughters of men”. Why does it have to be the way the book of Enoch says it is? How do you know all men weren’t giants back then? How do you know everything about the earth back then was the same as it is now?
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Mar 30, 2018 6:31:56 GMT
Unfortunately for you, I don’t read the NIV because it’s corrupted. It’s better used as fire starter. The first quote you used from the KJV was a correct translation. And links aren’t going to help you here. Sola scriptura. So the sons of god gather together in heaven to meet and Satan himself A FALLEN ANGEL is among them and implied to be counted among the sons of God and you're of the opinion that that nah these are just people, nothing special here they're just regular human beings. Oh, and when they have sex with unbelieving people they just happen to produce GIANTS!
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Mar 30, 2018 6:37:26 GMT
The Nephilim are not angels they're hybrid between mankind and angels. They can die in the same manner as mortals as they did when God sent the flood. I encourage you to read the links posted above the case for the sons of god being angels. The passage of scripture Genesis 6:1-4 makes no sense with this just being followers of god mating with unbelievers. Why would it even warrant a mention if this were the case? And why did God get so angry that he shortened humankind lifespan to 120 years? Why doesn’t it makes sense if it’s believers in God mating with unbelievers? And who said it’s unbelievers? The KJV says “daughters of men”. Then who exactly are the daughters of men if not unbelievers, certainly not followers of God because according to you the sons of God are the followers of God.Why does it have to be the way the book of Enoch says it is? Its probably not exactly how the book of Enoch says it is, but the overall concept approximates reality. Angels had sex with humans and had giant offspring.How do you know all men weren’t giants back then? There is no mention of people being giants in the Bible except the Nephilim which were specifically noted as such.How do you know everything about the earth back then was the same as it is now? When did I ever say that?
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Post by Διαμονδ on Mar 30, 2018 6:38:01 GMT
Ok Genius, you tell me what this verse means. Are you going to tell me how Jesus's followers harnessed the power of the yellow sun of the earth like freaking superman to impregnate with their super powered sperm a bunch of unbelievers (which is frowned upon by the Bible last time I checked) and had giant offspring who became the heroes of the ancient world. None of what you're saying makes any sense. you’re being ridiculous now. What I am saying doesn’t make sense to you because you’re stuck on a presupposition that comes from a book that isn’t biblical canon written by some Jews who you believe know what God’s word means better than you and I. Relying on them to interpret God’s word for you is a cult, there’s no getting around that. It’s no different than going to an imam and asking him to tell you what the Quran says; you’re relying on man to give you God’s word and in this case your gurus are dead Jews. Maybe it had never crossed your mind, but perhaps the Bible you are using is corrupt. The devil has been trying to change whst God said since the garden of eden after all, why wouldn’t he be doing it today and doing it today by any and all means? This book is included in the canon of the Ethiopian Bible! In any case, who decides which book is the canon or not? For example, an atheist or a non-Christian sees no difference between the book of Enoch and the Gospel. The ancient Christian authors often referred to the Book of Enoch. Although honestly the question of its origin is not clear!
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Mar 30, 2018 6:40:16 GMT
you’re being ridiculous now. What I am saying doesn’t make sense to you because you’re stuck on a presupposition that comes from a book that isn’t biblical canon written by some Jews who you believe know what God’s word means better than you and I. Relying on them to interpret God’s word for you is a cult, there’s no getting around that. It’s no different than going to an imam and asking him to tell you what the Quran says; you’re relying on man to give you God’s word and in this case your gurus are dead Jews. Maybe it had never crossed your mind, but perhaps the Bible you are using is corrupt. The devil has been trying to change whst God said since the garden of eden after all, why wouldn’t he be doing it today and doing it today by any and all means? This book is included in the canon of the Ethiopian Bible! In any case, who decides which book is the canon or not? For example, an atheist or a non-Christian sees no difference between the book of Enoch and the Gospel. The ancient Christian authors often referred to the Book of Enoch. Although honestly the question of its origin is not clear! I don't think it's cannon but I do think that it clearly shows what the Jews who the book was written to clearly understood it to be. Also there is scriptural evidence that what I'm saying is true such as in Job 2 when the angels are referred to as the sons of of God.
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Post by Elizabeth on Mar 30, 2018 6:41:30 GMT
Guys. Bible calls them people/men. Angels don't have babies with people. That's not allowed.
Numbers 13:28-30 Nevertheless the people who dwell in the land are strong; the cities are fortified and very large; moreover we saw the descendants of Anak there. 29 The Amalekites dwell in the land of the South; the Hittites, the Jebusites, and the Amorites dwell in the mountains; and the Canaanites dwell by the sea and along the banks of the Jordan.”
So they were people who lived on earth in their own area. Anak just bore strong and big men. Whoop dee doo. I don't want one. Shrug
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Post by DKTrav88 on Mar 30, 2018 6:42:04 GMT
Unfortunately for you, I don’t read the NIV because it’s corrupted. It’s better used as fire starter. The first quote you used from the KJV was a correct translation. And links aren’t going to help you here. Sola scriptura. So the sons of god gather together in heaven to meet and Satan himself A FALLEN ANGEL is among them and implied to be counted among the sons of God and you're of the opinion that that nah these are just people, nothing special here they're just regular human beings. Oh, and when they have sex with unbelieving people they just happen to produce GIANTS! In the KJV it doesn’t say they where they are, but even if they are in heaven, don’t believers in God go to heaven when they die? Then tell me what John 1:12 means. You completely ignore that verse because it alone destroys everything you’re saying, and not only that verse but Hosea 1:10 does as well. Hosea 1:10 KJV [10] Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God. John 1:12 KJV [12] But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: According to your logic, to be consistent, God have power to men who believe in the name of Christ to become fallen angels, and, the children of Israel are also called fallen angels.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Mar 30, 2018 6:48:48 GMT
This book is included in the canon of the Ethiopian Bible! In any case, who decides which book is the canon or not? For example, an atheist or a non-Christian sees no difference between the book of Enoch and the Gospel. The ancient Christian authors often referred to the Book of Enoch. Although honestly the question of its origin is not clear! I don't think it's cannon but I do think that it clearly shows what the Jews who the book was written to clearly understood it to be. Also there is scriptural evidence that what I'm saying is true such as in Job 2 when the angels are referred to as the sons of of God. Some theologians say that it are talking about righteous people! Although in this case we are talking about people giants, they could arise only from supernatural origin! -He did not propitiate the ancient giants who, in the hope of their strength, became apostates - - Sirach 16: 8
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Mar 30, 2018 6:48:53 GMT
So the sons of god gather together in heaven to meet and Satan himself A FALLEN ANGEL is among them and implied to be counted among the sons of God and you're of the opinion that that nah these are just people, nothing special here they're just regular human beings. Oh, and when they have sex with unbelieving people they just happen to produce GIANTS! In the KJV it doesn’t say they where they are, but even if they are in heaven, don’t believers in God go to heaven when they die? Then tell me what John 1:12 means. You completely ignore that verse because it alone destroys everything you’re saying, and not only that verse but Hosea 1:10 does as well. Hosea 1:10 KJV [10] Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God. John 1:12 KJV [12] But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: According to your logic, to be consistent, God have power to men who believe in the name of Christ to become fallen angels, and, the children of Israel are also called fallen angels. That verse is referring to the Israelites specifically and no one else. There were no Israelites before the flood so those sons of God are obviously different sons of God than are mentioned later which is a huge gaping hole in your argument. As for the afterlife before Jesus's time that is complicated subject but is actually illustrated by the story of Lazarus and the rich man. They didn't go to heaven before Jesus's time. Everyone was in the same afterlife but the wicked and the righteous were separated by a great chasm that couldn't be crossed.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Mar 30, 2018 7:03:57 GMT
In the KJV it doesn’t say they where they are, but even if they are in heaven, don’t believers in God go to heaven when they die? Then tell me what John 1:12 means. You completely ignore that verse because it alone destroys everything you’re saying, and not only that verse but Hosea 1:10 does as well. Hosea 1:10 KJV [10] Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God. John 1:12 KJV [12] But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: According to your logic, to be consistent, God have power to men who believe in the name of Christ to become fallen angels, and, the children of Israel are also called fallen angels. That verse is referring to the Israelites specifically and no one else. There were no Israelites before the flood so those sons of God are obviously different sons of God than are mentioned later which is a huge gaping hole in your argument. As for the afterlife before Jesus's time that is complicated subject but is actually illustrated by the story of Lazarus and the rich man. They didn't go to heaven before Jesus's time. Everyone was in the same afterlife but the wicked and the righteous were separated by a great chasm that couldn't be crossed. Well that makes the word of God inconsistent; sons of God doesn’t mean the same thing throughout the entire Bible because if the book of Enoch and corrupt versions. How about addressing John 1:12 now
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Mar 30, 2018 7:10:05 GMT
So the sons of god gather together in heaven to meet and Satan himself A FALLEN ANGEL is among them and implied to be counted among the sons of God and you're of the opinion that that nah these are just people, nothing special here they're just regular human beings. Oh, and when they have sex with unbelieving people they just happen to produce GIANTS! In the KJV it doesn’t say they where they are, but even if they are in heaven, don’t believers in God go to heaven when they die? Then tell me what John 1:12 means. You completely ignore that verse because it alone destroys everything you’re saying, and not only that verse but Hosea 1:10 does as well. Hosea 1:10 KJV [10] Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God. John 1:12 KJV [12] But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: According to your logic, to be consistent, God have power to men who believe in the name of Christ to become fallen angels, and, the children of Israel are also called fallen angels. I've found the verse that completely destroys your arguement and that is Job 38:7 biblehub.com/job/38-7.htm While the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? The full context is here www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Job+38&version=NIV It is speaking about when God created the earth and all creation celebrated. The Sons of God were present when God was laying the foundations of the earth. The word used here is B'nai Ha Elohim the same word used for the heavenly counsel earlier in Job 2 and the same word used in Genesis six to describe the progenitors of the Nephilim. Note that Job 38:7 says that the sons of God were shouting for joy while the earth's foundations were being laid meaning that the sons of God existed before the earth was created. Humans were created after everything else on the sixth day so these couldn't be humans, they had to be something that existed before the earth came into being specifically angels or some other celestial being. This slams the argument down pat I think. The Sons of God were angels or some other celestial being.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Mar 30, 2018 7:14:35 GMT
In the KJV it doesn’t say they where they are, but even if they are in heaven, don’t believers in God go to heaven when they die? Then tell me what John 1:12 means. You completely ignore that verse because it alone destroys everything you’re saying, and not only that verse but Hosea 1:10 does as well. Hosea 1:10 KJV [10] Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God. John 1:12 KJV [12] But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: According to your logic, to be consistent, God have power to men who believe in the name of Christ to become fallen angels, and, the children of Israel are also called fallen angels. I've found the verse that completely destroys your arguement and that is Job 38:7 biblehub.com/job/38-7.htm When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? The full context is here www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Job+38&version=NIV It is speaking about when God created the earth and all creation celebrated. The Sons of God were present when God was laying the foundations of the earth. The word used here is B'nai Ha Elohim the same word used for the heavenly counsel earlier in Job 2 and the same word used in Genesis six to describe the progenitors of the Nephilim. Note that Job 38:7 says that the sons of God were shouting for joy while the earth's foundations were being laid meaning that the sons of God existed before the earth was created. Humans were created after everything else on the sixth day so these couldn't be humans, they had to be something that existed before the earth came into being alarmingly angels or some other celestial being. This slams the argument down pat I think. The Sons of God were angels or some other divine being. You’re still refusing to address John 1:12 And I really don’t care how you interpret Job 38:7 because what you believe isn’t based on biblical canon it’s based on a third party book. But I will point it that you said “while” when the Bible says “when”. Different words, different meanings
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