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Post by AmericanCharm on May 29, 2018 5:40:48 GMT
What do you guys think? I personally have mixed opinions. On one hand I think it’s a repulsive and repugnant lifestyle and I believe if legalized many men would be more likely to seek this kind of companionship. Especially if we went the direction Australia did with brothels. If this was the case though and the girls were being constantly tested like do over there, then perhaps it’s an idea that could work. At least it seems a better option than men seeking out street walkers, leading to the spreading of STDs.
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Post by fashtag on May 30, 2018 11:33:37 GMT
Absolutely not, this would further ruin relations between men and women as well as promote harmful practices. There used to be proper incentives and disincentives for harmful behavior and this has already largely been lost. If anything, we need to go the other way and shame promiscuity and children out of wedlock. There are things more important than supreme individual "freedom" to do anything they wish with no repercussions. Extreme individualists miss the forest for the trees.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2018 13:50:59 GMT
It is immoral, hence what is evil should be seperated from what is good. The simple truth is that people will sleep around, and because of this they should be seperated from those whose choose a more virtuous lifestyle. To say people cannot have sex outside of marriage is immoral as it inhibits free will. However considering sex outside of marriage is in itself also immoral the boundary of marry, as a structural institution should be protected. People are going to have sex outside of marriage regardless of prostitution legalization. Legalizing prostitution only enables immorality, we should not be doing this to our society. Regardless, nobody can control what is done in private unless you have a “Big Brother” type of government. Not if adultery is criminalized with heavy punishment. The issue of family structure is an issue of national security as it not only provides the foundations for future generations and their behavior but is the basic unit from which a society relates to itself. Prostitution should be legalized for men/women who choose this lifestyle, along with taxation by the government, but adultery should be met with brutal punishment. People are free to do as they wish until they enter some form of agreement or contract.
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Post by DKTrav88 on May 30, 2018 18:26:47 GMT
People are going to have sex outside of marriage regardless of prostitution legalization. Legalizing prostitution only enables immorality, we should not be doing this to our society. Regardless, nobody can control what is done in private unless you have a “Big Brother” type of government. Not if adultery is criminalized with heavy punishment. The issue of family structure is an issue of national security as it not only provides the foundations for future generations and their behavior but is the basic unit from which a society relates to itself. Prostitution should be legalized for men/women who choose this lifestyle, along with taxation by the government, but adultery should be met with brutal punishment. People are free to do as they wish until they enter some form of agreement or contract. When you said “sex outside of marriage” I thought you meant fornication, not adultery. Well why not legalize murder or rape for those who chose that lifestyle? Where do we draw the line? Picking the lesser of two evils is still picking evil.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2018 21:31:05 GMT
Not if adultery is criminalized with heavy punishment. The issue of family structure is an issue of national security as it not only provides the foundations for future generations and their behavior but is the basic unit from which a society relates to itself. Prostitution should be legalized for men/women who choose this lifestyle, along with taxation by the government, but adultery should be met with brutal punishment. People are free to do as they wish until they enter some form of agreement or contract. When you said “sex outside of marriage” I thought you meant fornication, not adultery. Fornication can exist as an act of adultery, but yes you are correct. The problem occurs in the respect that the formation of all laws causes an inherent element of those who break the law. The question is not whether or not someone will break the law but rather if the actual "breaking" of the law can in itself be regulated.Well why not legalize murder or rape for those who chose that lifestyle? That is what the soldier class would be for. Where do we draw the line? Picking the lesser of two evils is still picking evil. The question is not picking the lesser of to evil but regulating it in such a manner where it cancels itself out under its own weight. Take the murder/rape example again, many countries would put these type of men in the military knowing they would eventually die because of their behavior however this evil was used against itself to not just cancel out further evils but provide a boundary where these type of men could have a place in society without being totally kicked out of it (which would cause further problems for the society).
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Post by DKTrav88 on May 30, 2018 23:58:26 GMT
When you said “sex outside of marriage” I thought you meant fornication, not adultery. Fornication can exist as an act of adultery, but yes you are correct. The problem occurs in the respect that the formation of all laws causes an inherent element of those who break the law. The question is not whether or not someone will break the law but rather if the actual "breaking" of the law can in itself be regulated.Well why not legalize murder or rape for those who chose that lifestyle? That is what the soldier class would be for. Where do we draw the line? Picking the lesser of two evils is still picking evil. The question is not picking the lesser of to evil but regulating it in such a manner where it cancels itself out under its own weight. Take the murder/rape example again, many countries would put these type of men in the military knowing they would eventually die because of their behavior however this evil was used against itself to not just cancel out further evils but provide a boundary where these type of men could have a place in society without being totally kicked out of it (which would cause further problems for the society).I have a difficult time believing that if you let people do evil things that evil will just cancel itself out. That's like saying Satan will cast himself out of his own kingdom, it's ridiculous. I can't see how making murderers and rapists into soldiers would help with anything. Now, if you did that, instead of having a good standing military for national defense, you have evil people for a national defense. Who is to say they won't commit treason or band together and overthrow the government in a coup? How do you know they won't kill each other which would then inhibit military readiness? Do really believe that murderers would have an interest in protecting their country after demonstrating that they have no respect for their country or its laws? I see it only causing more issues. I'd really like to know why you think legalizing prostitution will help cancel out evil. Making it legal doesn't make it not evil just because it's now legal, if that's what you're trying to argue.
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Post by Elizabeth on May 31, 2018 0:06:28 GMT
Based on what dktav88 said above me...making a bad thing legal just makes people access it more then they do already. For example, some people would love to sell organs but fear getting in trouble so they won't do it. But if it becomes legal then they go full blown. Same if murder became legal. This will just make organ sellers more happy. Does this benefit the world? Not at all. It destroys it.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on May 31, 2018 3:38:27 GMT
And why do you think this is? Prostitution is needed to protect women's chastity because it provides a safe outlet for men's desires. Without prostitution, men chase after all women and so chastity is destroyed. arktos.boards.net/post/26484/threadThis is an old argument, not relevant here. The Puritans has their faults, but their moralistic influence, in moderation, had a very positive impact on English culture. (Remember Chaucer?) The Puritan settlements in America did uphold morality well. By the time real evil began in America, the Puritans were gone. And what about preserving the chastity of men? Do you not think that's also important. What you'd have in a society that legalizes prostitution is the same as what we have now with legalized porn. It would be a society where most men can and will partake in this vice (because you've made it so easy) leaving those chaste women to marry unchaste men. Its hardly fair to the women. True morality does not tolerate fornication (sex before marriage) in either of the sexes. It is evil regardless of the gender.
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Post by wildernessvoice on May 31, 2018 3:57:57 GMT
Greetings:
No.. Anything that lowers the dignity of any humans,lowers the dignity of all.Why should we let:users and vending machines cut down the number of humans and make more:dogs,pigs,goats,in our society.
read,and read more..
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Post by Elizabeth on May 31, 2018 6:01:25 GMT
Greetings: No.. Anything that lowers the dignity of any humans,lowers the dignity of all.Why should we let:users and vending machines cut down the number of humans and make more:dogs,pigs,goats,in our society. read,and read more.. wv Absolutely true! PS. Welcome to the forum
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Post by fschmidt on May 31, 2018 6:42:14 GMT
And what about preserving the chastity of men? Do you not think that's also important. What you'd have in a society that legalizes prostitution is the same as what we have now with legalized porn. It would be a society where most men can and will partake in this vice (because you've made it so easy) leaving those chaste women to marry unchaste men. Its hardly fair to the women. True morality does not tolerate fornication (sex before marriage) in either of the sexes. It is evil regardless of the gender. The chastity of men doesn't matter. This can be seen from biology, from history, and from sociology. Men and women have different responsibilities. Men fight wars and provide for the family. Women must guard their chastity and care for the family. The sexes are fundamentally different.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2018 15:34:23 GMT
The question is not picking the lesser of to evil but regulating it in such a manner where it cancels itself out under its own weight. Take the murder/rape example again, many countries would put these type of men in the military knowing they would eventually die because of their behavior however this evil was used against itself to not just cancel out further evils but provide a boundary where these type of men could have a place in society without being totally kicked out of it (which would cause further problems for the society). I have a difficult time believing that if you let people do evil things that evil will just cancel itself out. That's like saying Satan will cast himself out of his own kingdom, it's ridiculous. Satan did cast himself out of heaven which was his home.I can't see how making murderers and rapists into soldiers would help with anything. Now, if you did that, instead of having a good standing military for national defense, you have evil people for a national defense. Not if you have more brutal men beating them into shape on the threat of death. Who is to say they won't commit treason or band together and overthrow the government in a coup? Pay the men who are in charge of them well. The same argument could be applied to prisoners...why do they not get together and over throw the government? Because more brutal men, who are better paid, will put them in place.How do you know they won't kill each other which would then inhibit military readiness? They are violent because they had to fight to survive. When faced with a threat greater than them they will band together. For the record the army, historically, has been a place for prisoner's and outcasts in many countries (the french foreign legion is a modern example) which as been proven to work through time.
Do really believe that murderers would have an interest in protecting their country after demonstrating that they have no respect for their country or its laws? I see it only causing more issues. Treat the animal with the language it understands...force...and it will obey you. Criminals are animals, talking about your feelings and love will not change their behavior (with the exception of a few minute cases of those who "just had it rough" and are looking for God genuinely). I raised alot of animals, and generally speaking if you treat them well they become "civilized" and good (had alot of success with this. Love "generally" cures a multitude of problems and had some really great pets/animals because of this approach). However some animals, no matter how well you treat them they do not change (this would apply to the criminals) so you just kill them...shoot them, break their necks, bash their brains out with a club...whatever. But you are correct...treating an animal, or in this case people, with love and affection does change their behavior for the better...most of the time. The problem occurs when it does not work, so those who commit violence generally only understand violence. "You reap what you sow" is a universal axiom.I'd really like to know why you think legalizing prostitution will help cancel out evil. Making it legal doesn't make it not evil just because it's now legal, if that's what you're trying to argue. It is simple, some people just want to whore around...they will not change...so let them. Just seperate them from everyone else so they at least have the opportunity to pursue the course they chose while allowing time to reflect on their behavior and "potentially" change (which is very rare but still possible).
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Post by DKTrav88 on May 31, 2018 16:26:42 GMT
I have a difficult time believing that if you let people do evil things that evil will just cancel itself out. That's like saying Satan will cast himself out of his own kingdom, it's ridiculous. Satan did cast himself out of heaven which was his home.I can't see how making murderers and rapists into soldiers would help with anything. Now, if you did that, instead of having a good standing military for national defense, you have evil people for a national defense. Not if you have more brutal men beating them into shape on the threat of death. Who is to say they won't commit treason or band together and overthrow the government in a coup? Pay the men who are in charge of them well. The same argument could be applied to prisoners...why do they not get together and over throw the government? Because more brutal men, who are better paid, will put them in place.How do you know they won't kill each other which would then inhibit military readiness? They are violent because they had to fight to survive. When faced with a threat greater than them they will band together. For the record the army, historically, has been a place for prisoner's and outcasts in many countries (the french foreign legion is a modern example) which as been proven to work through time.
Do really believe that murderers would have an interest in protecting their country after demonstrating that they have no respect for their country or its laws? I see it only causing more issues. Treat the animal with the language it understands...force...and it will obey you. Criminals are animals, talking about your feelings and love will not change their behavior (with the exception of a few minute cases of those who "just had it rough" and are looking for God genuinely). I raised alot of animals, and generally speaking if you treat them well they become "civilized" and good (had alot of success with this. Love "generally" cures a multitude of problems and had some really great pets/animals because of this approach). However some animals, no matter how well you treat them they do not change (this would apply to the criminals) so you just kill them...shoot them, break their necks, bash their brains out with a club...whatever. But you are correct...treating an animal, or in this case people, with love and affection does change their behavior for the better...most of the time. The problem occurs when it does not work, so those who commit violence generally only understand violence. "You reap what you sow" is a universal axiom.I'd really like to know why you think legalizing prostitution will help cancel out evil. Making it legal doesn't make it not evil just because it's now legal, if that's what you're trying to argue. It is simple, some people just want to whore around...they will not change...so let them. Just seperate them from everyone else so they at least have the opportunity to pursue the course they chose while allowing time to reflect on their behavior and "potentially" change (which is very rare but still possible).
No, Satan did not cast himself out. There is no scripture to back that claim. This is the only verse in the Bible that we have to go off of and it says he was cast out after losing a war, Revelation 12:7-9 KJV [7] And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, [8] And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. [9] And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. “was cast out” “and his angels were cast out with him” as in he was forcefully removed. He didn’t want to leave heaven, he wanted to stay there and sit on God’s throne as described in Isaiah, Isaiah 14:12-14 KJV [12] How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! [13] For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: [14] I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. He thought he could be like God and wanted to be and so he was cast out, he did not cast himself out. More scripture, Mark 3:23-26 KJV [23] And he called them unto him , and said unto them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan? [24] And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. [25] And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand. [26] And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end. Jesus is saying it doesn’t make sense for Satan to do ssomething to be against himself, to work against himself, as someone with pride doesn’t do this, they aim to help themselves and take every opportunity to do so. But this is getting too far off topic, it can be discussed in a separate thread. Sorry, but your answers seem much more fantastic than realistic. You’re saying to make brutal evil mean submit you need to put more brutal evil men over them, so we still have a problem with evil men being in charge of our military. Then you say pay them more money? So they’ll give loyalty to whomever can offer them the most money? By the way, France doesn’t have the best of military success in history, hence they aren’t a good example to use to try to justify what you’re proposing. But this is all irrelevant to the topic. Let’s stick to prostitution legislation; so you’re saying to enable them to be immoral and do evil and hopefully they’ll reflect on their actions? There has to be a cause for them to reflect on their actions to begin with, you can’t just assume they will one day. They separate themselves if prostitution is illegal anyway. I’m not understanding what the goal is for you here.. do you want to prevent crime by making immoral things legal? What is your end goal?
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2018 16:37:58 GMT
No, Satan did not cast himself out. There is no scripture to back that claim. This is the only verse in the Bible that we have to go off of and it says he was cast out after losing a war, Revelation 12:7-9 KJV [7] And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, [8] And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. [9] And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. “was cast out” “and his angels were cast out with him” as in he was forcefully removed. He didn’t want to leave heaven, he wanted to stay there and sit on God’s throne as described in Isaiah, Isaiah 14:12-14 KJV [12] How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! [13] For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: [14] I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. He thought he could be like God and wanted to be and so he was cast out, he did not cast himself out. More scripture, Mark 3:23-26 KJV [23] And he called them unto him , and said unto them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan? [24] And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. [25] And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand. [26] And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end. Jesus is saying it doesn’t make sense for Satan to do ssomething to be against himself, to work against himself, as someone with pride doesn’t do this. But this is getting too far off topic, it can be discussed in a separate thread. Sorry, but your answers seem much more fantastic than realistic. You’re saying to make brutal evil mean submit you need to put more brutal evil men over them, so we still have a problem with evil men being in charge of our military. Then you say pay them more money? So they’ll give loyalty to whomever can offer them the most money? Yep...that about sums up what I am saying. Throw money at them because that is all they understand.By the way, France doesn’t have the best of military success in history, hence they aren’t a good example to use to try to justify what you’re proposing. history.stackexchange.com/questions/3187/which-nations-have-armed-prisoners-and-sent-them-to-war...first example in 60 second online search.But this is all irrelevant to the topic. Let’s stick to prostitution legislation; so you’re saying to enable them to be immoral and do evil and hopefully they’ll reflect on their actions? There has to be a cause for them to reflect on their actions to begin with, you can’t just assume they will one day. They separate themselves if prostitution is illegal anyway. Women who sleep around generally do not stop and make horrible wives along with causing families to dissentigrate...just give them a space in order to do it so the rest of us and live in peace. When they become burnt out by their lifestyles then they can leave. In today's society no boundary lines exist...they have to be drawn.I’m not understanding what the goal is for you here.. do you want to prevent crime by making immoral things legal? You cannot prevent crime...history shows this...you can only direct where it goes inorder to protect oneself and others. What is your end goal? Freedom for both parties...let those who want evil be evil...let those who want good be good. However both need seperated.
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Post by DKTrav88 on May 31, 2018 17:02:55 GMT
No, Satan did not cast himself out. There is no scripture to back that claim. This is the only verse in the Bible that we have to go off of and it says he was cast out after losing a war, Revelation 12:7-9 KJV [7] And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, [8] And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. [9] And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. “was cast out” “and his angels were cast out with him” as in he was forcefully removed. He didn’t want to leave heaven, he wanted to stay there and sit on God’s throne as described in Isaiah, Isaiah 14:12-14 KJV [12] How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! [13] For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: [14] I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. He thought he could be like God and wanted to be and so he was cast out, he did not cast himself out. More scripture, Mark 3:23-26 KJV [23] And he called them unto him , and said unto them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan? [24] And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. [25] And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand. [26] And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end. Jesus is saying it doesn’t make sense for Satan to do ssomething to be against himself, to work against himself, as someone with pride doesn’t do this. But this is getting too far off topic, it can be discussed in a separate thread. Sorry, but your answers seem much more fantastic than realistic. You’re saying to make brutal evil mean submit you need to put more brutal evil men over them, so we still have a problem with evil men being in charge of our military. Then you say pay them more money? So they’ll give loyalty to whomever can offer them the most money? Yep...that about sums up what I am saying. Throw money at them because that is all they understand.By the way, France doesn’t have the best of military success in history, hence they aren’t a good example to use to try to justify what you’re proposing. history.stackexchange.com/questions/3187/which-nations-have-armed-prisoners-and-sent-them-to-war...first example in 60 second online search.But this is all irrelevant to the topic. Let’s stick to prostitution legislation; so you’re saying to enable them to be immoral and do evil and hopefully they’ll reflect on their actions? There has to be a cause for them to reflect on their actions to begin with, you can’t just assume they will one day. They separate themselves if prostitution is illegal anyway. Women who sleep around generally do not stop and make horrible wives along with causing families to dissentigrate...just give them a space in order to do it so the rest of us and live in peace. When they become burnt out by their lifestyles then they can leave. In today's society no boundary lines exist...they have to be drawn.I’m not understanding what the goal is for you here.. do you want to prevent crime by making immoral things legal? You cannot prevent crime...history shows this...you can only direct where it goes inorder to protect oneself and others. What is your end goal? Freedom for both parties...let those who want evil be evil...let those who want good be good. However both need seperated.Regardless of laws, people will always have freedom of choice. Laws with punishments help to prevent people from breaking those laws as they will have to face repercussion for doing wrong and it protects them and others from harm. This is why I brought up murder, because once you legalize murder, there’s nothing wrong with it, no punishment, no repercussion, people would be killing each other everywhere. So take it to an extreme, legalize everything, imagine the chaos. We’d have a Mad Max/Fallout kind of world. So in conclusion I do not agree with legalizing prostitution because the legalizing of it tells people there is nothing wrong with being sexually immoral and soliciting for sex and thinking of sex as a commodity as there is no repercussion for participating in it, and legalization doesn’t protect us from harm. Evil people are allowed to be evil, because we have free will. Laws do not at all take away our free will. Laws keep the order of things, they promote morality, and they help protect us from evil; without laws to protect us we have chaos and disorder, and evil runs amuck doing as it wills with no hinderance. This may not always be true, but it is when you a proper moral foundation by which laws are set and enforced.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2018 21:39:05 GMT
Regardless of laws, people will always have freedom of choice. Laws with punishments help to prevent people from breaking those laws as they will have to face repercussion for doing wrong and it protects them and others from harm. This is why I brought up murder, because once you legalize murder, there’s nothing wrong with it, no punishment, no repercussion, people would be killing each other everywhere. So take it to an extreme, legalize everything, imagine the chaos. We’d have a Mad Max/Fallout kind of world. So in conclusion I do not agree with legalizing prostitution because the legalizing of it tells people there is nothing wrong with being sexually immoral and soliciting for sex and thinking of sex as a commodity as there is no repercussion for participating in it, and legalization doesn’t protect us from harm. Evil people are allowed to be evil, because we have free will. Laws do not at all take away our free will. Laws keep the order of things, they promote morality, and they help protect us from evil; without laws to protect us we have chaos and disorder, and evil runs amuck doing as it wills with no hinderance. This may not always be true, but it is when you a proper moral foundation by which laws are set and enforced. The increase in laws causes an increase in the breaking of laws akin to a "forbidden fruit effect". With the issue of marijuana drug trades existed outside the system that caused a wave of crime and violence. With the legalization of marijuanna regulations stay in place which cut down any violence in regards to the drug trade itself, while maintaining government control and sanctions.
Prostitution I am against. However the truth is people will sleep around and this causes an inherent problem within the family structure and society. Legalizing prostitution while enforcing stricter adultery laws will prevent certain degrees of dissolution in the family structure. We already live in mad/max fallout kind of world, the only difference is that we still have electricity...that is it...and prostitution is still illegal.
Now will the legalization of prostitution and enforcement of strict marriage laws cause an instantaneous change? No, the culture is already driven over the cliff and to be quite frank it is time for it to be pushed over to die. There is no moral law any more...period.
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