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Post by Διαμονδ on Feb 27, 2018 18:16:45 GMT
Christianity and Judaism have common roots, but a complex history of relationships! Let's discuss these contradictions!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2018 19:18:22 GMT
I'd say that it is very necessary to start such dialogue. It is the time to do it.
Christ was a jew, apostles were too. But it is a hard episode of the Jewish history also. Maimonides said about the idea of Mossiah in spiritual cultures. 'Second Vatican Council' insisted on such cooperation. Maimonides
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Post by Διαμονδ on Feb 27, 2018 21:42:32 GMT
Maimonides quotes the prophet Daniel, but what is most interesting is that this place does not fit Jesus at all([Daniel 11:14])! Rambam is a typical Jewish manipulator and profiteer!
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Post by fschmidt on Feb 27, 2018 22:22:56 GMT
(Talmudic) Judaism is a parasite and Christianity is a terminally ill host. That is the relationship.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Feb 27, 2018 22:34:54 GMT
(Talmudic) Judaism is a parasite and Christianity is a terminally ill host. That is the relationship. Why ill?
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Post by Elizabeth on Feb 28, 2018 0:53:02 GMT
Christians follow Jesus of New Testament and Judaism follows same God but the outdated covenant in the Old Testament. That's it Shrug
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Post by fschmidt on Feb 28, 2018 2:44:17 GMT
Christians follow Jesus of New Testament and Judaism follows same God but the outdated covenant in the Old Testament. That's it Jesus disagrees with you in Matthew 5:17-20. The Pharisees (meaning Judaism) had stopped following the Old Testament correctly and Jesus was trying to fix that. With modern Christians, Jesus clearly failed.
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Post by fschmidt on Feb 28, 2018 2:45:32 GMT
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Post by Elizabeth on Feb 28, 2018 3:47:38 GMT
Christians follow Jesus of New Testament and Judaism follows same God but the outdated covenant in the Old Testament. That's it Jesus disagrees with you in Matthew 5:17-20. The Pharisees (meaning Judaism) had stopped following the Old Testament correctly and Jesus was trying to fix that. With modern Christians, Jesus clearly failed. No, because old testament you stone people and Jesus stopped people from stoning. And we no longer sacrifice lambs. The 10 commandments still stay though. Hebrews 8:13 By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.
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Post by fschmidt on Feb 28, 2018 5:01:42 GMT
Jesus disagrees with you in Matthew 5:17-20. The Pharisees (meaning Judaism) had stopped following the Old Testament correctly and Jesus was trying to fix that. With modern Christians, Jesus clearly failed. No, because old testament you stone people and Jesus stopped people from stoning. And we no longer sacrifice lambs. The 10 commandments still stay though. Hebrews 8:13 By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear. The 10 commandments are the covenant. The rest are just the laws of Moses applicable to that time and were never part of the covenant. See Deuteronomy 4:13-14. The author of Hebrews is unknown and ignorant. Why would you trust him more than Jesus? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorship_of_the_Epistle_to_the_Hebrews
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Post by Elizabeth on Feb 28, 2018 5:16:00 GMT
No, because old testament you stone people and Jesus stopped people from stoning. And we no longer sacrifice lambs. The 10 commandments still stay though. Hebrews 8:13 By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear. The 10 commandments are the covenant. The rest are just the laws of Moses applicable to that time and were never part of the covenant. See Deuteronomy 4:13-14. The author of Hebrews is unknown and ignorant. Why would you trust him more than Jesus? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorship_of_the_Epistle_to_the_HebrewsWhat you mean? God in old testament said to do lamb sacrifices. Jesus removed that because He was the final lamb and the start of a new covenant or new way of living to God.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2018 5:36:46 GMT
Oh my GOSH, this is going to turn into a WAR ZONE.
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Post by fschmidt on Feb 28, 2018 6:04:07 GMT
The 10 commandments are the covenant. The rest are just the laws of Moses applicable to that time and were never part of the covenant. See Deuteronomy 4:13-14. What you mean? God in old testament said to do lamb sacrifices. Jesus removed that because He was the final lamb and the start of a new covenant or new way of living to God. All these types of rules start with "And God said to Moses" which one may or may not be taken literally. (I interpret this as God inspired Moses.) Either way, these rules are not part of the covenant, they are just rules for that time. If you disagree, show me where it says that this rule is part of the covenant. The purpose of this particular rule was to provide the priests with tasty lamb dinners.
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Post by Elizabeth on Feb 28, 2018 6:07:26 GMT
What you mean? God in old testament said to do lamb sacrifices. Jesus removed that because He was the final lamb and the start of a new covenant or new way of living to God. All these types of rules start with "And God said to Moses" which one may or may not be taken literally. (I interpret this as God inspired Moses.) Either way, these rules are not part of the covenant, they are just rules for that time. If you disagree, show me where it says that this rule is part of the covenant. The purpose of this particular rule was to provide the priests with tasty lamb dinners. Yeah. God gave Moses the commandments on 2 stone tablets. I don't disagree that we don't follow that. Or what are you asking? But I'm saying they were still stoning people in New Testament until Jesus came to stop them.
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Post by fschmidt on Feb 28, 2018 6:23:09 GMT
Yeah. God gave Moses the commandments on 2 stone tablets. I don't disagree that we don't follow that. Or what are you asking? But I'm saying they were still stoning people in New Testament until Jesus came to stop them. What I am saying is that stoning people was never part of the covenant. Jesus was trying to restore the covenant, not overturn it. It is Judaism that was violating the covenant by twisting it and being too legalistic. It is worth trying to actually understand why there was stoning at that time. Consider Deuteronomy 22:22 which says "If a man is discovered having relations with another man’s wife, both the man who had sex with the woman and the woman must die. You must purge the evil from Israel." The reasoning is given as "You must purge the evil from Israel." The reason for stoning was not revenge or deterrence. It was simply to get rid of the person. Why not send them into exile, you might ask. Because then they will join the enemy and come back to harm Israel. Prison was not an option at that time. So the death penalty was literally the only way to remove the person from Israel, and that is why it was needed. Today we have alternatives like prison. I am not mentioning this because this was part of the covenant, it wasn't. I am mentioning this because everything in the Old Testament makes sense if you give it enough thought. God gave rules that made sense for the time and gave basic explanations for those interested in the reasoning. Judaism started going seriously wrong about 100 years before Jesus with Hillel who is the founder of Talmudic thought. Jesus tried to fix this. I think Jesus got what he wanted to some degree in the Reformation from the late 1500s to the late 1800s. But modern Christianity is a complete disaster and I am sure that Jesus would hate it.
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