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Post by Διαμονδ on Feb 27, 2018 18:16:45 GMT
Christianity and Judaism have common roots, but a complex history of relationships! Let's discuss these contradictions!
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Post by Elizabeth on Feb 28, 2018 23:34:13 GMT
You mean Trinity? That's just one God to us. 3 parts to one God. Yahweh, Jesus, and Holy Spirit. Like H20 (water) is one but in 3 forms. Unless you're talking about Catholics? I know they worship a pope for who knows what reason. I am not speaking of the trinity. I’m talking about what God is conceived as metaphysically. For example, if one Christian believes that God is an immaterial entity that took on material form as Jesus, while another Christian believes that God is a symbolic notion that is not an immaterial entity but only an extension of the mythology surrounding the real historical figure, Jesus, do these two Christians believe the same thing? Did that second group you mentioned read their entire bible? I've never heard of such a "Christian" to be honest. Shrug
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Post by noski on Feb 28, 2018 23:38:13 GMT
I am not speaking of the trinity. I’m talking about what God is conceived as metaphysically. For example, if one Christian believes that God is an immaterial entity that took on material form as Jesus, while another Christian believes that God is a symbolic notion that is not an immaterial entity but only an extension of the mythology surrounding the real historical figure, Jesus, do these two Christians believe the same thing? This is not Christianity! Briefly, the essence of the Christian notion of God is found in the Nicene Creed! Those Christians who you clearly saw don't even understand the essence their religion! I think it is really those who understand religion in essentialist terms who do not understand their religion. Christianity, like any religion, is a historical product that is formed in the hands of its practitioners. That includes the canonized mythology, which itself is a historical product influenced by outside sources. And any mythology is one that must be interpreted. Who would be nieve enough to command that their interpretation of any creed, particularly of religious significance, is one of absolute authority?
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Post by Διαμονδ on Feb 28, 2018 23:41:05 GMT
I am not speaking of the trinity. I’m talking about what God is conceived as metaphysically. For example, if one Christian believes that God is an immaterial entity that took on material form as Jesus, while another Christian believes that God is a symbolic notion that is not an immaterial entity but only an extension of the mythology surrounding the real historical figure, Jesus, do these two Christians believe the same thing? Did that second group you mentioned read their entire bible? I've never heard of such a "Christian" to be honest. Modern "churches" that were founded by people who do not know the Bible and the rest stuff!
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Post by noski on Mar 1, 2018 0:01:53 GMT
I am not speaking of the trinity. I’m talking about what God is conceived as metaphysically. For example, if one Christian believes that God is an immaterial entity that took on material form as Jesus, while another Christian believes that God is a symbolic notion that is not an immaterial entity but only an extension of the mythology surrounding the real historical figure, Jesus, do these two Christians believe the same thing? Did that second group you mentioned read their entire bible? I've never heard of such a "Christian" to be honest. Shrug Yes, there are people who can interpret the Bible in different ways. In fact, it’s what every Christian who has read the Bible does if they apply it in any way to their current situation in life. Regardless of what this Christian God is, it seems to me that Christians in general worship someone else’s God rather than their own. Every culture has had its own gods and indigenous religions. But throughout history, once Rome and then the West adopted Christianity in a parasitic way to feed their own religious identity, they then imposed onto others this replacement theology while denying and destroying the religions of other people. I’m afraid this Christian-Jewish dialogue has gone a bit off track now. But to tie it back in, I think this way of making others non-Christians while calling oneself a “true Christian,” may reinforce this colonial fueled replacement theology that Jews have suffered, particularly with the myth of an “outdated theology”.
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Post by Elizabeth on Mar 1, 2018 0:42:01 GMT
Did that second group you mentioned read their entire bible? I've never heard of such a "Christian" to be honest. Shrug Yes, there are people who can interpret the Bible in different ways. In fact, it’s what every Christian who has read the Bible does if they apply it in any way to their current situation in life. Regardless of what this Christian God is, it seems to me that Christians in general worship someone else’s God rather than their own. Every culture has had its own gods and indigenous religions. But throughout history, once Rome and then the West adopted Christianity in a parasitic way to feed their own religious identity, they then imposed onto others this replacement theology while denying and destroying the religions of other people. I’m afraid this Christian-Jewish dialogue has gone a bit off track now. But to tie it back in, I think this way of making others non-Christians while calling oneself a “true Christian,” may reinforce this colonial fueled replacement theology that Jews have suffered, particularly with the myth of an “outdated theology”. That makes no sense then. As a Christian I only worship Christ. I don't know who else can be even worshipped if Christianity is based on Christ and His teachings. Jesus never allowed others to be worshipped with Him either. Hmm But there are more odd denominations I have to encounter still. I only know like 3 odd ones
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Post by noski on Mar 1, 2018 0:52:31 GMT
Yes, there are people who can interpret the Bible in different ways. In fact, it’s what every Christian who has read the Bible does if they apply it in any way to their current situation in life. Regardless of what this Christian God is, it seems to me that Christians in general worship someone else’s God rather than their own. Every culture has had its own gods and indigenous religions. But throughout history, once Rome and then the West adopted Christianity in a parasitic way to feed their own religious identity, they then imposed onto others this replacement theology while denying and destroying the religions of other people. I’m afraid this Christian-Jewish dialogue has gone a bit off track now. But to tie it back in, I think this way of making others non-Christians while calling oneself a “true Christian,” may reinforce this colonial fueled replacement theology that Jews have suffered, particularly with the myth of an “outdated theology”. That makes no sense then. As a Christian I only worship Christ. I don't know who else can be even worshipped if Christianity is based on Christ and His teachings. Jesus never allowed others to be worshipped with Him either. Hmm But there are more odd denominations I have to encounter still. I only know like 3 odd ones What I’m saying is that, in being Christian, one is being parasitic to someone else’s religion and worshipping someone else’s God, the Christian God, to form their religious identity. However, one does not need Christianity because we already have our own religious heritage and the capacity to create our own religion that hasn’t been imposed on us or our ancestors or adopted externally.
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Post by Elizabeth on Mar 1, 2018 1:01:44 GMT
That makes no sense then. As a Christian I only worship Christ. I don't know who else can be even worshipped if Christianity is based on Christ and His teachings. Jesus never allowed others to be worshipped with Him either. Hmm But there are more odd denominations I have to encounter still. I only know like 3 odd ones What I’m saying is that, in being Christian, one is being parasitic to someone else’s religion and worshipping someone else’s God, the Christian God, to form their religious identity. However, one does not need Christianity because we already have our own religious heritage and the capacity to create our own religion that hasn’t been imposed on us or our ancestors or adopted externally. Yeah, that's true. And more religions are always being developed aren't they? But I also think everyone worships something even if they're atheists because could just be money.
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Post by noski on Mar 1, 2018 1:07:43 GMT
What I’m saying is that, in being Christian, one is being parasitic to someone else’s religion and worshipping someone else’s God, the Christian God, to form their religious identity. However, one does not need Christianity because we already have our own religious heritage and the capacity to create our own religion that hasn’t been imposed on us or our ancestors or adopted externally. Yeah, that's true. And more religions are always being developed aren't they? But I also think everyone worships something even if they're atheists because could just be money. That’s true. Even the new “spiritualities” of today are just new forms of religion that we have created without having to say “religion”.
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Post by Elizabeth on Mar 1, 2018 1:13:12 GMT
Yeah, that's true. And more religions are always being developed aren't they? But I also think everyone worships something even if they're atheists because could just be money. That’s true. Even the new “spiritualities” of today are just new forms of religion that we have created without having to say “religion”. Some also believe religion must require worshiping a God but that's not really true either. Buddhist, for example, don't have a God. So religion can just be a ritual performed or something hmm. I think it's fairly broad in definition.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Mar 1, 2018 7:38:35 GMT
That’s true. Even the new “spiritualities” of today are just new forms of religion that we have created without having to say “religion”. Some also believe religion must require worshiping a God but that's not really true either. Buddhist, for example, don't have a God. So religion can just be a ritual performed or something hmm. I think it's fairly broad in definition. Buddhism is not a religion in the direct sense of the word, but rather a mystical and spiritual philosopher's teaching!
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Post by Elizabeth on Mar 1, 2018 8:01:48 GMT
Some also believe religion must require worshiping a God but that's not really true either. Buddhist, for example, don't have a God. So religion can just be a ritual performed or something hmm. I think it's fairly broad in definition. Buddhism is not a religion in the direct sense of the word, but rather a mystical and spiritual philosopher's teaching! Yes, but it still qualifies as a belief of some kind. Shrug
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Post by Elizabeth on Mar 2, 2018 0:11:14 GMT
But God taught lamb sacrifices. So if not needed then why was it done? It was needed, to make tasty lamb dinners for priests. Were priests disabled to get their own food? And when Abraham sacrificed the animal instead of his son...what priest...and from which temple...was notified to come running for dinner?
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Post by fschmidt on Mar 2, 2018 3:18:54 GMT
Were priests disabled to get their own food? And when Abraham sacrificed the animal instead of his son...what priest...and from which temple...was notified to come running for dinner? The priests lived in the towns and weren't given land. So how exactly were they supposed to get food? Abraham was a special case with a special story.
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Post by Elizabeth on Mar 2, 2018 4:07:35 GMT
Were priests disabled to get their own food? And when Abraham sacrificed the animal instead of his son...what priest...and from which temple...was notified to come running for dinner? The priests lived in the towns and weren't given land. So how exactly were they supposed to get food? Abraham was a special case with a special story. So they killed in the temple and brought it into towns to the priests? I see no point. Hmm
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Post by noski on Mar 2, 2018 4:14:39 GMT
Some also believe religion must require worshiping a God but that's not really true either. Buddhist, for example, don't have a God. So religion can just be a ritual performed or something hmm. I think it's fairly broad in definition. Buddhism is not a religion in the direct sense of the word, but rather a mystical and spiritual philosopher's teaching! Buddhism is much more than just what the Buddha taught. It has developed into a very complex religion with varying branches, some even similar to Christianity with salvation through faith alone.
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