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Post by sam0033 on Jan 20, 2018 10:53:45 GMT
I like ottoman history.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Feb 4, 2018 12:40:13 GMT
Hurrem sultan it's Ukrainian women from Podolia. Roxolana..Anastasiya Lisovskaya!  |
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Post by Leebert on Feb 4, 2018 12:45:19 GMT
The Ottoman Empire was no different than the so-called Europan Imperialist and Colonialist, The were not just "terrible" per se and the Sultans weren't all "completely useless" please read about Suleiman the Magnificent, he was a quite an interesting man, and there's obviously the reasons as to why he possesses the title "magnificent" Name one significant figure of Ottoman empire if not politician, monarch or military leader. There weren't many significant figures apart from the politicians, I think I've mentioned the name of "Sultan Suleiman the Magnificent" there was someone named "Ali Qushji " he was a Turkish lived during the Ottoman Empire, he provided empirical evidence for the Earth's motion and completely separated astronomy from natural philosophy. And also I just remembered about the guy called Piri Reis, the man who authored the book of "bahriye" (book of navigation) in world's maritime history, he was a prominent admiral, geographer and cartographer, he can speak four languages. |
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Post by Διαμονδ on Feb 4, 2018 13:00:54 GMT
I'm from Ukraine, we still remember about the Ottoman-Tatar invasion of our lands!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2018 13:06:52 GMT
Name one significant figure of Ottoman empire if not politician, monarch or military leader. There weren't many significant figures apart from the politicians, I think I've mentioned the name of "Sultan Suleiman the Magnificent" there was someone named "Ali Qushji " he was a Turkish lived during the Ottoman Empire, he provided empirical evidence for the Earth's motion and completely separated astronomy from natural philosophy. And also I just remembered about the guy called Piri Reis, the man who authored the book of "bahriye" (book of navigation) in world's maritime history, he was a prominent admiral, geographer and cartographer, he can speak four languages. They are known only locally in Turkey, perhaps not even there. Byzantines legacy of art was virtually destroyed by Ottomans, except the architecture. They didn't allow education of Christians, they imposed devshirme on Christians, and enacted higher taxes for non-Muslims. With the money they had and gold mines in Balkans, they could've build society that would make at least one significant scientist or artist. That says all about this empire  |
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Post by Leebert on Feb 4, 2018 13:21:43 GMT
There weren't many significant figures apart from the politicians, I think I've mentioned the name of "Sultan Suleiman the Magnificent" there was someone named "Ali Qushji " he was a Turkish lived during the Ottoman Empire, he provided empirical evidence for the Earth's motion and completely separated astronomy from natural philosophy. And also I just remembered about the guy called Piri Reis, the man who authored the book of "bahriye" (book of navigation) in world's maritime history, he was a prominent admiral, geographer and cartographer, he can speak four languages. They are known only locally in Turkey, perhaps not even there. Byzantines legacy of art was virtually destroyed by Ottomans, except the architecture. They didn't allow education of Christians, they imposed devshirme on Christians, and enacted higher taxes for non-Muslims. With the money they had and gold mines in Balkans, they could've build society that would make at least one significant scientist or artist. That says all about this empire  Well, I wouldn't deny that the Ottoman Empire was messed up though, but to say that Suleiman, the magnificent and Piri reis are just merely local hero is completely wrong, the west themselves were the one who conferred the label "magnificent" to Suleiman www.amazon.com/Suleiman-Magnificent-Andre-Clot/dp/0863564984 that one for instance and there are many books that address the works of Piri Reis actually, and regarding education please read this academic article www.isam.org.tr/documents/_dosyalar/_pdfler/.../2013_41_HASEBEK.pdfadditional information concerning the position of jews and Christian here: www.inquiriesjournal.com/articles/242/the-position-of-jews-and-christians-in-the-ottoman-empire |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2018 13:31:16 GMT
They are known only locally in Turkey, perhaps not even there. Byzantines legacy of art was virtually destroyed by Ottomans, except the architecture. They didn't allow education of Christians, they imposed devshirme on Christians, and enacted higher taxes for non-Muslims. With the money they had and gold mines in Balkans, they could've build society that would make at least one significant scientist or artist. That says all about this empire Well, I wouldn't deny that the Ottoman Empire was messed up though, but to say that Suleiman, the magnificent and Piri reis are just merely local hero is completely wrong, the west themselves were the one who conferred the label "magnificent" to Suleiman www.amazon.com/Suleiman-Magnificent-Andre-Clot/dp/0863564984 that one for instance and there are many books that address the works of Piri Reis actually, and regarding education please read this academic article www.isam.org.tr/documents/_dosyalar/_pdfler/.../2013_41_HASEBEK.pdfadditional information concerning the position of jews and Christian here: www.inquiriesjournal.com/articles/242/the-position-of-jews-and-christians-in-the-ottoman-empireI don't need to read about position of Christians and Jews in the empire because the region where my country is was under the Ottomans. Ottoman period is the most backward period of history the region had. We feel it consequences up to this day |
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Post by Leebert on Feb 4, 2018 13:42:47 GMT
I don't need to read about position of Christians and Jews in the empire because the region where my country is was under the Ottomans. Ottoman period is the most backward period of history the region had. We feel it consequences up to this day Well, you should try to open your mind by reading, you live in a country in which was occupied by the Ottomans that doesn't mean you get the clear picture of what was life like back in the past because you weren't there. History can't speak for itself, even though facts are there, it's like a pile of old dusty abandoned documents, History can be altered through constant interpretations though, that's why it's important for us to read. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2018 13:51:02 GMT
I don't need to read about position of Christians and Jews in the empire because the region where my country is was under the Ottomans. Ottoman period is the most backward period of history the region had. We feel it consequences up to this day Well, you should try to open your mind by reading, you live in a country in which was occupied by the Ottomans that doesn't mean you get the clear picture of what was life like back in the past because you weren't there. History can't speak for itself, even though facts are there, it's like a pile of old dusty abandoned documents, History can be altered through constant interpretations though, that's why it's important for us to read. We had history lessons about it. I had to read literally work of the people who lived under Ottoman yoke as part of my education. I think I know enough PS. Plus I can see what they left here - virtually nothing. |
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Post by ajay0 on Feb 4, 2018 15:45:09 GMT
The Ottoman empire was quite brutal in its conquest of lands and I am not sure if it brought any significant features of civilization in the lands it conquered just as the Mongols. The arabs seems to me a more civilized people.
Based on what I remember reading, I think the ottoman empire weakened later on due to a large number of machiavellian power struggles between its princes for the throne , and were enfeebled by enormous material wealth and luxury, neglect of education and science. Russia under Suvurov also seems to have battered it badly.
Kemal Ataturk was probably the man who set its course right and created the Turkish republic ,secular, liberal and humanistic and made a name for himself in history, and a great role model for other leaders to follow. Though Erdogan might possibly wipe off that legacy and bring Turkey back to the Dark Ages again.
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Post by Lone Wanderer on Feb 4, 2018 16:22:46 GMT
But interesting Ottoman sultans were R1a-z93! Indo-iranian origin. Haplogroups do not shape the ethnicity and identity. |
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Post by Διαμονδ on Feb 4, 2018 22:51:12 GMT
there's nothing interesting in this empire, they were just terrible. Apart from writing poems, and choosing best stock of girls from harems, their kings were completely useless. Though they had trade relations with the britishers, who used to supply them arms and weapons in those days, using which, they were persecuting georgians, armenians, austria etc, but eventually, vlad dracul stood up, though, got killed by his own brother. But this empire was always going to be dismantled. The Ottoman Empire was no different than the so-called Europan Imperialist and Colonialist, The were not just "terrible" per se and the Sultans weren't all "completely useless" please read about Suleiman the Magnificent, he was a quite an interesting man, and there's obviously the reasons as to why he posseses the title "magnificent" Yes, in terms of Suleiman was an interesting person, but I do not think that you would like to live in his era? The Ottomans spread Islam, blood, violence and slavery! Jihadism was inherent in them!  |
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Post by Διαμονδ on Feb 4, 2018 22:53:15 GMT
But interesting Ottoman sultans were R1a-z93! Indo-iranian origin. Haplogroups do not shape the ethnicity and identity. Yes! Anyway Indo-Iranians and some Turks inherent this haplo ! |
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Post by Lone Wanderer on Feb 5, 2018 6:37:11 GMT
Haplogroups do not shape the ethnicity and identity. Yes! Anyway Indo-Iranians and some Turks inherent this haplo ! And many Europeans have E, G, and J. Language and culture create the ethnicity. Even religion could divide similar people into new ethnicities. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2018 14:18:39 GMT
there's nothing interesting in this empire, they were just terrible. Apart from writing poems, and choosing best stock of girls from harems, their kings were completely useless. Though they had trade relations with the britishers, who used to supply them arms and weapons in those days, using which, they were persecuting georgians, armenians, austria etc, but eventually, vlad dracul stood up, though, got killed by his own brother. But this empire was always going to be dismantled. The Ottoman Empire was no different than the so-called Europan Imperialist and Colonialist, The were not just "terrible" per se and the Sultans weren't all "completely useless" please read about Suleiman the Magnificent, he was a quite an interesting man, and there's obviously the reasons as to why he posseses the title "magnificent" If not for radu cel frumos (HANDSOME), then ottoman would have been eliminated. Infact, everyone on this planet worked together to eliminate the sultanates of mongols and turks en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afonso_de_Albuquerque |
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Post by verity on Feb 7, 2018 3:47:38 GMT
Without Janissaries (Christian warrior-slaves) there wouldn't be an ottoman empire.
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