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Post by sam0033 on Jan 20, 2018 10:53:45 GMT
I like ottoman history.
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Post by khaos on Jan 20, 2018 13:14:23 GMT
the worst empire that ever existed in human history..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 13:19:22 GMT
sick man of europe, they were. Yes! This was said by Nicholas I. He did a lot to destroy them in his time!  Everyone, including anglo-saxons, russians, and even the portugese who arrived in goa, and the indo-aryans, because their counterparts , also migrated towards indian subcontinent, were working to dismantle this empire. It is the most useless empire, which anyone can has built. They have hardly contributed to anything. |
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jan 20, 2018 13:41:54 GMT
Everyone, including anglo-saxons, russians, and even the portugese who arrived in goa, and the indo-aryans, because their counterparts , also migrated towards indian subcontinent, were working to dismantle this empire. It is the most useless empire, which anyone can has built. They have hardly contributed to anything. They occupied a huge part of the Middle East and posed problems to all their neighbors! The only thing that was spread by them is Islam. In fact, the Ottomans are not a nation. Initially they were a purely Islamic community, like today ISIS! |
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jan 20, 2018 13:44:21 GMT
But interesting Ottoman sultans were R1a-z93! Indo-iranian origin.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 15:05:17 GMT
Of course it's interesting! But the Ottomans in their time brought many misfortunes to their neighbors! Remember the Armenian Genocide of 1915?  there's nothing interesting in this empire, they were just terrible. Apart from writing poems, and choosing best stock of girls from harems, their kings were completely useless. Though they had trade relations with the britishers, who used to supply them arms and weapons in those days, using which, they were persecuting georgians, armenians, austria etc, but eventually, vlad dracul stood up, though, got killed by his own brother. But this empire was always going to be dismantled. Well, guys you know, we can just be interested by studying it. For example, people who works at the government or police ussualy stake out with criminals and psychoes, but aren't they mad? I mean having an interest in such fields as abnormal studyings, or at mental hospital, or maybe at the crematory dosn't mean that this interest is abnormal itself. So, an interest is not equal to 'adoring' it. Aren't we love our neighbours or collegues having done some mistakes? And it's strongly urgent for us to find ways to cooperate with each other... Well, thank you anyway. Excuse me if I told something wrong.  |
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jan 21, 2018 0:15:24 GMT
there's nothing interesting in this empire, they were just terrible. Apart from writing poems, and choosing best stock of girls from harems, their kings were completely useless. Though they had trade relations with the britishers, who used to supply them arms and weapons in those days, using which, they were persecuting georgians, armenians, austria etc, but eventually, vlad dracul stood up, though, got killed by his own brother. But this empire was always going to be dismantled. Well, guys you know, we can just be interested by studying it. For example, people who works at the government or police ussualy stake out with criminals and psychoes, but aren't they mad? I mean having an interest in such fields as abnormal studyings, or at mental hospital, or maybe at the crematory dosn't mean that this interest is abnormal itself. So, an interest is not equal to 'adoring' it. Aren't we love our neighbours or collegues having done some mistakes? And it's strongly urgent for us to find ways to cooperate with each other... Well, thank you anyway. Excuse me if I told something wrong. Нет ты не сказал ничего плохого! Не знаю почему тебе так показалось В любом случае история порой бывает жесткая и относится к ней нужно также ! Понимаешь? |
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jan 21, 2018 0:20:38 GMT
In comparison to Byzantines they were pretty cruel, although the Byzantines themselves also had some extreme rulers. oleg of novogorod taught byzantines some harsh lessons, though his death was unfortunate for INDO EUROPEAN civilization.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 0:54:20 GMT
there's nothing interesting in this empire, they were just terrible. Apart from writing poems, and choosing best stock of girls from harems, their kings were completely useless. Though they had trade relations with the britishers, who used to supply them arms and weapons in those days, using which, they were persecuting georgians, armenians, austria etc, but eventually, vlad dracul stood up, though, got killed by his own brother. But this empire was always going to be dismantled. Well, guys you know, we can just be interested by studying it. For example, people who works at the government or police ussualy stake out with criminals and psychoes, but aren't they mad? I mean having an interest in such fields as abnormal studyings, or at mental hospital, or maybe at the crematory dosn't mean that this interest is abnormal itself. So, an interest is not equal to 'adoring' it. Aren't we love our neighbours or collegues having done some mistakes? And it's strongly urgent for us to find ways to cooperate with each other... Well, thank you anyway. Excuse me if I told something wrong. Hey no there was nothing wrong which you said. One interesting thing which I will share is this. When Turks and mongols invaded the areas such as Rajasthan and gujratv then the rajput kings instead of fighting and resisting came up with a dirty plan . They decided to trade their Prince with the sultan and soldiers so that they could retain powers. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2018 2:28:43 GMT
Well, guys you know, we can just be interested by studying it. For example, people who works at the government or police ussualy stake out with criminals and psychoes, but aren't they mad? I mean having an interest in such fields as abnormal studyings, or at mental hospital, or maybe at the crematory dosn't mean that this interest is abnormal itself. So, an interest is not equal to 'adoring' it. Aren't we love our neighbours or collegues having done some mistakes? And it's strongly urgent for us to find ways to cooperate with each other... Well, thank you anyway. Excuse me if I told something wrong. Нет ты не сказал ничего плохого! Не знаю почему тебе так показалось В любом случае история порой бывает жесткая и относится к ней нужно также ! Понимаешь? В таком случае я разделил бы понимание истории. Вообще, не все с чем мы сталкиваемся может быть воспринято все и сразу целым. Поэтому, историю - возможно - следует понимать как процесс самовоспитания, от наиболее простого ее представления, допустим: в баснях, сказаниях и т.п. варианте; затем более осмысленнее, как в учебнике истории, а уж после - это серьезные монографии, чтение первоисточников и прочее. Поэтому, прежде чем вести диалог о том - какова критика того или иного периода, следует выяснить - на каком уровне будет проходить эта критика.  )) Спасибо за очень интересное замечание! |
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Post by Leebert on Feb 4, 2018 11:22:39 GMT
As far as I can teel the Ottoman Empire did make a name for itself and popularly considered as one of the largest empires in History, it encompasses southern Europe, half of eastern Europe, the entire Arabian peninsula, almost part of northern Africa. For me, the Ottoman Empire has slightly different distinction compared with European Imperialists and Colonialism, the sultans after the demise of Suleiman the magnificent were weak and corrupted.
The Ottoman signed its death when they captured and conquered the last defence of the Byzantine Empire (Constantinople) in 1453. Soon after they defeated the mighty Byzantine Empire, The Ottoman completely cut off the trade route between Europe and Asia, some historians say that this event marked the beginning of the resurrection of European Power because Europe Had no choice but to venture outside right to its source, so they can purchase the goods cheaper and not worry to deal with the Turkish middleman, the event also one of the reasons of the cause of the renaissance it makes the European realized about how mighty they were during the classical age and they need to reform and change otherwise the Ottoman might knock on their doors and they will suffer the same fate as the Byzantine.
There were some good things that the ottoman empire contributed to the world such as preserving the lost greek knowledge which includes the work of Aristotle, Plato and other classic philosophers that was regarded as heretics due to their ideas that contradict with the church doctrine and also some advancements in military technology like gunpowders and cannon etc.
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Post by Leebert on Feb 4, 2018 11:43:22 GMT
Everyone, including anglo-saxons, russians, and even the portugese who arrived in goa, and the indo-aryans, because their counterparts , also migrated towards indian subcontinent, were working to dismantle this empire. It is the most useless empire, which anyone can has built. They have hardly contributed to anything. They occupied a huge part of the Middle East and posed problems to all their neighbors! The only thing that was spread by them is Islam. In fact, the Ottomans are not a nation. Initially they were a purely Islamic community, like today ISIS! The Government system of the Ottoman Empire was an Islamic Caliphate, It was obviously NOT A NATION, and more importantly, they didn't ONLY spread the Islamic religion. |
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Post by Leebert on Feb 4, 2018 11:51:00 GMT
Of course it's interesting! But the Ottomans in their time brought many misfortunes to their neighbors! Remember the Armenian Genocide of 1915? there's nothing interesting in this empire, they were just terrible. Apart from writing poems, and choosing best stock of girls from harems, their kings were completely useless. Though they had trade relations with the britishers, who used to supply them arms and weapons in those days, using which, they were persecuting georgians, armenians, austria etc, but eventually, vlad dracul stood up, though, got killed by his own brother. But this empire was always going to be dismantled. The Ottoman Empire was no different than the so-called Europan Imperialist and Colonialist, The were not just "terrible" per se and the Sultans weren't all "completely useless" please read about Suleiman the Magnificent, he was a quite an interesting man, and there's obviously the reasons as to why he posseses the title "magnificent" |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2018 12:10:07 GMT
there's nothing interesting in this empire, they were just terrible. Apart from writing poems, and choosing best stock of girls from harems, their kings were completely useless. Though they had trade relations with the britishers, who used to supply them arms and weapons in those days, using which, they were persecuting georgians, armenians, austria etc, but eventually, vlad dracul stood up, though, got killed by his own brother. But this empire was always going to be dismantled. The Ottoman Empire was no different than the so-called Europan Imperialist and Colonialist, The were not just "terrible" per se and the Sultans weren't all "completely useless" please read about Suleiman the Magnificent, he was a quite an interesting man, and there's obviously the reasons as to why he posseses the title "magnificent" Name one significant figure of Ottoman empire if not politician, monarch or military leader. |
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Post by Διαμονδ on Feb 4, 2018 12:30:18 GMT
The Ottoman Empire was no different than the so-called Europan Imperialist and Colonialist, The were not just "terrible" per se and the Sultans weren't all "completely useless" please read about Suleiman the Magnificent, he was a quite an interesting man, and there's obviously the reasons as to why he posseses the title "magnificent" Name one significant figure of Ottoman empire if not politician, monarch or military leader. Hurrem Sultan !  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2018 12:31:50 GMT
Name one significant figure of Ottoman empire if not politician, monarch or military leader. Hurrem Sultan ! Even small island of Crete under short period of Venetian rule provided one significant person, unlike the whole Ottoman empire  |
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