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Post by AmericanCharm on Dec 12, 2017 11:33:03 GMT
I’m an Agnostic, I believe religion is something the human brain invented in its early stage of (civilian) development. It was the answer to many unanswered things it had to process. Some kind of coping mechanism.
You see a trend of religions all over the world. They each created their own religions to answer their questions. For example Native Americans didn’t know what Christianity or Judaism was. So they created their own polytheistic religion. That to them was the way they could reason how things were as they were. Same for Viking Scandanavia with Paganism, Ancient Egypt, Ancient Greece and so on. Then you have Eastern religions which center more around philosophical beliefs like Buddhism, Taoism, etc. You have Hinduism. You have Africans who believe the great JuJu at the top of the mountain or whatever. You have Mormons who created a religion very recently compared to most other religions. Finally you have the Abrahamic religions which the majority of the modern world follow. You have monotheistic, polytheistic, Eastern, Western, Abrahamic, etc religions. But the thing that they all have in common was when each civilization was going through their civilian development they came up with a way to answer their questions. All through different times in history in different parts of the world.
All religions can’t be right because they all contradict each other but they can all be wrong.
Believing that there is something else out there greater than us that created this isn’t an illogical opinion. To point at a specific religion with a specific god and holy book is illogical and not plausible in my opinion.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Dec 14, 2017 11:10:56 GMT
Yes! Religion has always been a lot of problems! As Karl Marx said - Religion is the opium of the people- Although I am a supporter of religion, but I'm careful about it of course!
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Post by Elizabeth on Dec 14, 2017 11:28:55 GMT
Actually...some religions require exemption per their written doctrine. And bill of rights that you can practice any religion...that includes those. So as I said...in order for you to get what you want the bill of rights must limit religious practice. Yeah, because the organization that decided to hijack planes on 9/11 did it for the good. It is what they said after all because it was what they viewed as beneficial for most of them. So they are good and did good as they claim? What is good and what is evil is basically the same question. If you ask what is good then what isn't listed is then evil and vice versa. And if a man's beliefs is his own business why can't they decide about tax exception based on their beliefs as it is their own business? And what if a person is meant to be religious? Isn't possible? Is it just because you feel religion tells them what to do? What if they like being told what to do? I mean some people like being their own boss or being under a boss' rules. That's still freedom and they choose it. Having a boss or not having a boss doesn't bring chaos. It is failing to do what you should and bringing chaos to a civilized society. The Bill Of Rights guarantees the right to freely practice religion. It does not say churches are exempt from taxes, some churches can find loopholes but to connect it to the Bill Of Rights seems like a leap. Yeah, right to freely practice a religion. But if someone's religion has a no paying taxes to earthly goverment...taking that away is noy letting them practice their religious beliefs "freely"...now is it? That's setting limitations on what they can practice. So setting limitations still requires bill of rights to change because currently there are no limitations. So...not something we can get a definitive answer to go by...correct. Well, that's the same as disliking someone's opinions about anything. But...people are all different and have their own opinions, views, beliefs, etc... It's part of life. Not everyone will be exactly like you or me and we all have our likes and dislikes. In this case we both dislike views of those you listed Religion? Maybe. But just seems to me like one man running a terrorist group and making people do things for him not a "god".
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Post by Onetrack on Dec 15, 2017 0:39:53 GMT
I agree that all religions can't be right. But how does religion answer unsanswered questions always? Like mine doesn't tell me how exactly God looks like, doesn't tell me details of how He created the world, and it doesn't answer why He created space and the other planets. It just gives me a brief summary that He created the world and gave us laws to follow. That is all it really tells me :/ if you would like to know what god looked like, check out cesar borgia, son of a pope.. cesars likeness is viewed today as the mythical jesus christ (annointed one) Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk
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Post by Διαμονδ on Dec 15, 2017 0:50:04 GMT
Interesting appearance, were in Borgia. But from the point of view of anthropology, it is the usual Mediterranean!
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Post by Elizabeth on Dec 15, 2017 0:55:16 GMT
Does it matter what He looked like? It was just a disguise that He took on anyway :/
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Post by AmericanCharm on Dec 15, 2017 0:56:42 GMT
The Bill Of Rights guarantees the right to freely practice religion. It does not say churches are exempt from taxes, some churches can find loopholes but to connect it to the Bill Of Rights seems like a leap. Yeah, right to freely practice a religion. But if someone's religion has a no paying taxes to earthly goverment...taking that away is noy letting them practice their religious beliefs "freely"...now is it? That's setting limitations on what they can practice. So setting limitations still requires bill of rights to change because currently there are no limitations. So...not something we can get a definitive answer to go by...correct. Well, that's the same as disliking someone's opinions about anything. But...people are all different and have their own opinions, views, beliefs, etc... It's part of life. Not everyone will be exactly like you or me and we all have our likes and dislikes. In this case we both dislike views of those you listed Religion? Maybe. But just seems to me like one man running a terrorist group and making people do things for him not a "god". You said things I either agree with and some things that sound like excuses oh this person doesn’t represent Christianity. Because that’s what “moderate Muslims” say about radicals. The point religious people kill in the name of religion. But I agree with what you said at the end. You said in a message that a real Christian lives by the ideals of thou shall not kill. Just because the Bible says thou shall not kill and condemns killing in parts doesn’t mean a lot to me because the Bible condricts it’s self many times. For example turn the other cheek and an eye for an eye. There are examples of killing in the Bible in the name of Christian “beliefs”. 1) Capital Punishment Crimes: Kill People Who Don’t Listen to Priests Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT) Kill Witches You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB) Kill Homosexuals “If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.” (Leviticus 20:13 NAB) Kill Fortunetellers A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB) Death for Hitting Dad Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB) Death for Cursing Parents 1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB) 2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT) Death for Adultery If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT) Death for Fornication A priest’s daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB) Death to Followers of Other Religions Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB) Kill Nonbelievers They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB) Kill False Prophets If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, “You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord.” When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB) Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. “The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him.” (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT) Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night But if this charge is true (that she wasn’t a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father’s house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB) Kill Followers of Other Religions. 1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB) 2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT) Death for Blasphemy One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD’s name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother’s name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD’s will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, “Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD’s name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD’s name will surely die. (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT) Kill False Prophets 1) Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles, and the predicted signs or miracles take place. If the prophets then say, ‘Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,’ do not listen to them. The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with all your heart and soul. Serve only the LORD your God and fear him alone. Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him. The false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to death, for they encourage rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of slavery in the land of Egypt. Since they try to keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to remove the evil from among you. (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT) 2) But any prophet who claims to give a message from another god or who falsely claims to speak for me must die.’ You may wonder, ‘How will we know whether the prophecy is from the LORD or not?’ If the prophet predicts something in the LORD’s name and it does not happen, the LORD did not give the message. That prophet has spoken on his own and need not be feared. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT) Infidels and Gays Should Die So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other’s bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God’s death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT) Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle For the LORD had said to Moses, ‘Exempt the tribe of Levi from the census; do not include them when you count the rest of the Israelites. You must put the Levites in charge of the Tabernacle of the Covenant, along with its furnishings and equipment. They must carry the Tabernacle and its equipment as you travel, and they must care for it and camp around it. Whenever the Tabernacle is moved, the Levites will take it down and set it up again. Anyone else who goes too near the Tabernacle will be executed.’ (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT) Kill People for Working on the Sabbath The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: ‘Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.’ (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)
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Post by Elizabeth on Dec 15, 2017 1:08:53 GMT
Yeah, right to freely practice a religion. But if someone's religion has a no paying taxes to earthly goverment...taking that away is noy letting them practice their religious beliefs "freely"...now is it? That's setting limitations on what they can practice. So setting limitations still requires bill of rights to change because currently there are no limitations. So...not something we can get a definitive answer to go by...correct. Well, that's the same as disliking someone's opinions about anything. But...people are all different and have their own opinions, views, beliefs, etc... It's part of life. Not everyone will be exactly like you or me and we all have our likes and dislikes. In this case we both dislike views of those you listed Religion? Maybe. But just seems to me like one man running a terrorist group and making people do things for him not a "god". You said things I either agree with and some things that sound like excuses oh this person doesn’t represent Christianity blah blah. Because that’s what moderate Muslims say about radicals.
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Post by AmericanCharm on Dec 15, 2017 1:33:59 GMT
You said things I either agree with and some things that sound like excuses oh this person doesn’t represent Christianity blah blah. Because that’s what moderate Muslims say about radicals. Many claiming to be New Testament Christians are woefully weak in their knowledge of the Old Testament Thus, they are severely limited in their knowledge of the New Testament itself, the New Testament is based upon the Old. This leads to mistaken assumptions which result in doctrinal misinterpretations in the New. In addition, New Testament Christians were prophesied about in the Old Testament. Perhaps worst of all, ignorance of the Old Testament violates plain commands in the New Testament that instruct Christians to be serious students of the Old. The Importance of the Old Testament to New Testament Christians Samuel G. Dawson The New Testament quotes or alludes to 300 Old Testament passages. Jesus and his apostles frequently quoted from the Old Testament. Those New Testament quotes provide some of the most valuable and interesting verses in all the Bible, for two reasons. The New Testament quotes give God-approved commentaries on the Old Testament. The Old Testament passages shed light on the meanings of difficult New Testament verses. Human beings are creatures of extremes, and even Bible students go to extremes. For example, when we encounter a doctrinal error that repulses us, many times we go to an opposite doctrinal error to combat it. Thus, when someone confronts the Calvinistic doctrine of individual predestination for salvation, he may be repelled to the extent that he believes that the Bible doesn't teach predestination at all. In so doing, he is just as wrong as the doctrine he opposes, for the Bible certainly teaches that God predestined to save all those in Christ, i.e., those who exercise their free will, hear and obey the gospel, and live faithfully therein. Likewise, one may hear the emphasis on salvation by faith alone, and be dismayed by the ungodly lives of some who believe that no sin they commit from idolatry to murder may endanger their souls. Such a realization may make him recoil to the extreme belief that we're not even saved by faith. This would be a false conclusion. A person may also be disgusted by the doctrine of “once saved, always saved” to the point that he loses confidence in his salvation by God. Again, this is a gross overreaction to doctrinal error and exaggeration of the Bible's teaching on the subject. Thus, when some denominational doctrines are based upon indiscriminate use of the Mosaic Covenant for practices in the present time (e.g., tithing and keeping the sabbath), we often quickly demonstrate that we are not under the Mosaic Covenant. We use Rom. 7.4 to show we're dead to the Mosaic Law, including the ten commandments, one of which Paul quoted in this very passage. We also use Gal. 5.18 to show that if we're led by the Holy Spirit, we're not under the Mosaic Covenant. Many New Testament Christians take these passages to such an extreme that; as a result, they are woefully ignorant of the Old Covenant. While Jesus said in Mt. 5.17-19 that he didn't come to destroy the law or the prophets, practically speaking, many Christians destroy it for themselves. Most would not know less of it than if our Lord had absolutely obliterated it. We go beyond Jesus' and Paul's teaching and begin to have no use for the Old Testament at all. I've heard several Christians say that it would have been better if God had destroyed the Old Testament, since misuse of it causes so much confusion in the religious world. To a large degree, this has happened in many churches. In this chapter, we explore six New Testament principles that demonstrate the value of the Old Testament to Christians to see that we should not go to the extreme of rejecting this important teaching from God. The Old Testament Is Inspired of God First, the Old Testament is of great importance to Christians because it is inspired of God. In II Tim. 3.16-17, Paul said: Every scripture inspired of God is also profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for instruction which is in righteousness. That the man of God may be complete, furnished completely unto every good work. “All scripture” inspired of God includes the Old Testament, whose books comprise approximately seventy-five percent of the totality of inspired literature on earth. If we neglect the Old Testament, we ignore the vast majority of an extremely scarce resource. One cannot imagine a serious student of Shakespeare not showing any interest in seventy-five percent of Shakespeare's work, because so little of his material exists. Likewise with inspired material: there is so little of it on earth that disciples of Christ cannot afford to overlook the inspired scripture in the Old Testament. The apostle Peter also affirmed the inspiration of the Old Testament. In 1 Pet. 1.10-11, he said: Concerning which salvation the prophets sought and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: searching what time or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ [the Spirit which Christ sent, the Holy Spirit-SGD] which was in them did point unto, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glories that should follow them. Thus, the Old Testament is every bit as inspired by the Holy Spirit as is the New Testament. Imagine a Christian who affirmed that the New Testament wasn't inspired by God. “What a heretic!” we would correctly say. Peter declared that the Old Testament is just as inspired; and therefore, as worthy of our interest and serious study as is the New Testament. In Heb. 10.15-17, the author said: And the Holy Spirit also beareth witness to us; for after he hath said, This is the covenant that I will make with them After those days, saith the Lord: I will put my laws on their heart, And upon their mind also will I write them; then saith he, And their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. The author of Hebrews stated that the Holy Spirit agreed with his point. For proof, he quoted the Old Testament passage of Jer. 31.31-34 for the witness of the Holy Spirit. The writer based his entire argument on his understanding that the Old Testament was inspired by the Holy Spirit. In Heb. 3.7, he said again: Wherefore, even as the Holy Spirit saith, To-day if ye shall hear his voice,... The quotation in Hebrews comes from the Old Testament, in Ps. 95.7, which was inspired by the Holy Spirit, just as the book of Hebrews was. Similarly, in II Pet. 1.21, Peter said: For no prophecy ever came by the will of man: but men spake from God, being moved by the Holy Spirit. Here Peter affirmed that the Holy Spirit moved men to prophesy in the Old Testament in the same fashion as he did the prophets in the New Testament. Jesus even claimed such in Mt. 22.41-44: Now while the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them a question, saying, What think ye of the Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David. He saith unto them, How then doth David in the Spirit call him Lord, saying, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, Till I put thine enemies underneath thy feet? Jesus claimed that the Holy Spirit moved David to call his own son “Lord” or the Messiah. Thus, Jesus understood that the Holy Spirit dictated the prophet David's words, just as he inspired the apostles' teaching in the New Testament.
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Post by Elizabeth on Dec 15, 2017 1:53:41 GMT
Many claiming to be New Testament Christians are woefully weak in their knowledge of the Old Testament Thus, they are severely limited in their knowledge of the New Testament itself, the New Testament is based upon the Old. This leads to mistaken assumptions which result in doctrinal misinterpretations in the New. In addition, New Testament Christians were prophesied about in the Old Testament. Perhaps worst of all, ignorance of the Old Testament violates plain commands in the New Testament that instruct Christians to be serious students of the Old. Incorrect. Christianity is new testament not old. Jesus came in the new testament which is why Judaism rejects Him because He did NOT agree with them and He told them a new law. Hebrews 8:13 When He said, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear. Jesus changed everything BUT the ten commendment. 10 commadments doesn't allow murder. Why do you think they did NOT accept Him? He called them hypocrites and told them to not stone a woman to death for adultery. So, show me where in the new testament it tell us to kill as it does in the old testament? Yes, it is our history book and how Christianity came about in the new testament. What of it? You can't have a new testament without the old to develop it.
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Post by AmericanCharm on Dec 15, 2017 2:32:08 GMT
Many claiming to be New Testament Christians are woefully weak in their knowledge of the Old Testament Thus, they are severely limited in their knowledge of the New Testament itself, the New Testament is based upon the Old. This leads to mistaken assumptions which result in doctrinal misinterpretations in the New. In addition, New Testament Christians were prophesied about in the Old Testament. Perhaps worst of all, ignorance of the Old Testament violates plain commands in the New Testament that instruct Christians to be serious students of the Old. Incorrect. Christianity is new testament not old. Jesus came in the new testament which is why Judaism rejects Him because He did NOT agree with them and He told them a new law. Hebrews 8:13 When He said, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear. Jesus changed everything BUT the ten commendment. 10 commadments doesn't allow murder. Why do you think they did NOT accept Him? He called them hypocrites and told them to not stone a woman to death for adultery. So, show me where in the new testament it tell us to kill as it does in the old testament? Yes, it is our history book and how Christianity came about in the new testament. What of it? You can't have a new testament without the old to develop it. Yeah I mean the Jews must have had some good ideas, better to be influenced by the good Jew opinions. Cherry pick your favorite part and then modify some resonable Jewish opinions and then disregard the unreasonable stuff. Is this a plausible theory to you? Old testament god creates the universe and sees it and its serious business, open up his legs and pops out some humans. But then satan pretends to be a snake and trolls eve, telling her "apple or get out out " (she was already topless) She chooses the apple and then her and her friends with benefits adam get banned from eden. Then a lot of serious incest occurs and we get the human race (which explain a lot really). Then later, god gets uber pissed about pharaoh hitler pwning the jews, so he gives moses some cheat codes for the universe. Moses stages a mass slave runaway and open up the red sea so the jews can run through, closing it behind him and drowning the ancient nazis. God 'd Some other less important garbage happens, mostly composed of a bunch of losers writing emo poerty about god for him to fap to. New testament god finds mary sleeping and just puts the tip in. Nine months later, jesus is born. For his 13th birthday, god gave jesus more cheat codes than he gave moses. Later, jesus became a hard core ska punk and trolled the jews hard. They got super pissed and permabanned him with a cross and some nine inch nails. They forgot he had god mode turned on though, so he waited 3 days and hit vid_restart on the rcon panel, came back into life's server and 's at the jews. After that, 3 more dudes tell the same stuff, then some homosexual named paul wrote a load of stuff about sex being evil and a bunch of other stuff that jesus never even said but everybody listened to paul anyway because they're stupid.
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Post by Elizabeth on Dec 15, 2017 2:58:28 GMT
Incorrect. Christianity is new testament not old. Jesus came in the new testament which is why Judaism rejects Him because He did NOT agree with them and He told them a new law. Hebrews 8:13 When He said, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear. Jesus changed everything BUT the ten commendment. 10 commadments doesn't allow murder. Why do you think they did NOT accept Him? He called them hypocrites and told them to not stone a woman to death for adultery. So, show me where in the new testament it tell us to kill as it does in the old testament? Yes, it is our history book and how Christianity came about in the new testament. What of it? You can't have a new testament without the old to develop it. Yeah I mean the Jews must have had some good ideas, better to be influenced by the good Jew opinions. Cherry pick your favorite part and then modify some resonable Jewish opinions and then disregard the unreasonable stuff. Cheery picking what? I asked you to show in new testament where Jesus, who Christians follow, said to do those verses in the old testament that you listed. I mean I see none that's why I asked for your help to show me. But if they are there why did the Jews want Him dead and reject Him as their own. Wouldn't make sense if Jesus followed the same law they did. Right? Incorrect. Where did you get that story? Verses? God created universe, yes, but He didn't pop His legs open. He's not human and has no...yeah. Anyway...satan never said apple or get out. Satan told Eve to eat a fruit (doesn't say apple) and that she will be more happier doing so. She listenes to his lies despite God telling her the truth and so she chose satan over God and God kicked her out since she rejected God. I mean if a gf of yours wants someone else, heck let her go she's not worth it either. And Adam was her husband. God made them as married and they had kids. Your story is weird . Incest still happens today, why couldn't it have happened then?
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Post by Διαμονδ on Dec 15, 2017 6:32:37 GMT
In Any case, not all the postulates of the old Testament were removed by Christianity! Jesus said that he came to fulfill the law, not break it!
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Post by Elizabeth on Dec 15, 2017 7:12:44 GMT
In Any case, not all the postulates of the old Testament were removed by Christianity! Jesus said that he came to fulfill the law, not break it! 10 commandments is fullfilling the law, not breaking it.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Dec 15, 2017 7:21:24 GMT
In Any case, not all the postulates of the old Testament were removed by Christianity! Jesus said that he came to fulfill the law, not break it! 10 commandments is fullfilling the law, not breaking it. Yea! But some rules are important, too! But it's a long story! In any case, after Christ sacrifice some 'bloody" rules are off!
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Post by Onetrack on Dec 17, 2017 6:12:55 GMT
translated, translated, retranslated, edited and mistranslated. Its not the word of a god if it has the word ' version ' on the cover. Most of modern christianity is fairly plaguarised from the circa 4500 bc Egyptian Book of the Dead. The rest is just stories handed down and passed around - just a game of telephone and used for geopolitical control over citizens. Written by people who thought the earth was flat and who didnt know where the sun went to at night. Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk
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