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Post by -VITNI- on Dec 8, 2017 5:53:36 GMT
Physcologically, the mind and soul are the immaterial but seated in the pineal gland of the brain. The body is a material and mechanical machine. In Taoist beliefs, there resides two souls in a living embodiment - The body which naturally reincarnates and the soul which passes onto heaven. I believe the mind and soul are the same material lifeforce, living inside the pineal gland of the brain. Everywhere appears the trilogy of mind soul and body. Physical, non-physical and meta-physical. Just because we do not carry instruments of measurement for some non-physical things, does not necassarily mean that these things are meta-physcial. The supernatural can very well be something simply natural.
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Post by Elizabeth on Dec 8, 2017 5:58:25 GMT
Taoist belief I have never heard of. How do they explain how there are 2 souls dwelling in a body?
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Post by -VITNI- on Dec 8, 2017 6:12:22 GMT
Taoism soul and mind originates like Confucianism, towards the yin-yang dualism. This is one of the synchronicities the yin-yang symbol carries. The two spirits, one which is earthly, and the other which is heavenly. One which is physical and one meta-physical. When you die your earthly spirit is brought back into natural reincarnation through evolution. The heavenly spirit, goes to another embodiment or heaven.
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Post by thearistotelliancopt on Dec 11, 2017 2:50:25 GMT
What do you mean by the supernatural could be natural? "Nature"is a concept used to discuss the physical or material world. If there are non material thing then by definition they are supernatural; they fall outside the realm of the material world. Are you a dualist?
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Post by -VITNI- on Dec 16, 2017 2:05:28 GMT
But you aren't reaching my theory, what if the supernatural is only non-physical like thought, the mind? We know thought and mind exist even as it is non-material. Precisely non-physical. Soul is electromagnetic, we can measure it with radio communications. Which means it is not supernatural, it exists, but not physically. What if the mind and soul are the same entity? A consciousness perhaps- that exists also beyond death
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Post by thearistotelliancopt on Dec 17, 2017 15:16:05 GMT
I agree the mind exists but why do you assume it is part of nature? The mind if it is a non material thing transcends nature.
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Post by Elizabeth on Dec 17, 2017 20:40:48 GMT
But you aren't reaching my theory, what if the supernatural is only non-physical like thought, the mind? We know thought and mind exist even as it is non-material. Precisely non-physical. Soul is electromagnetic, we can measure it with radio communications. Which means it is not supernatural, it exists, but not physically. What if the mind and soul are the same entity? A consciousness perhaps- that exists also beyond death Interesting. Why do you think it could be the same entity? |
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Post by marduk on Dec 17, 2017 21:47:45 GMT
I agree the mind exists but why do you assume it is part of nature? The mind if it is a non material thing transcends nature. where do you propose we set the boundaries of what is natural and what transcends it? i personally don't think anything "transcends nature" because everything from a grain of sand on earth to possible aliens somewhere in the universe and the whole universe in itself is nature, and when it comes to the metaphysical like the mind or consciousness it seems to me that it emerges out of nature and is not a transcendent property, it only feels transcendent because of our ability or the awareness within us(possibly emerging out of the pineal gland? idk) that allows us to experience it an analogy would be mixing 10 vegetables( 10 veggies = distinct components necessary for the brain) together to cook and the sensory experience before cooking was primarily visual( the emergent property before the brain starts functioning), after cooking its the aroma which alerts us more( the emergent property after components are combined the brain starts functioning or the mind). its just because we have a nose and olfactory receptors that we are able to make a distinction in the aroma(the awareness within). fundamentally the aroma is not seperate from the veggies after being cooked because you need veggies and the process of cooking in order to generate the aroma without them there is no aroma transcendence is simply the product of experience rather than it being separate from nature p.s would love analogies when it comes to countering this point, makes it easier to understand lul |
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Post by philosopher1000 on Dec 17, 2017 21:48:12 GMT
Physcologically, the mind and soul are the immaterial but seated in the pineal gland of the brain. The body is a material and mechanical machine. In Taoist beliefs, there resides two souls in a living embodiment - The body which naturally reincarnates and the soul which passes onto heaven. I believe the mind and soul are the same material lifeforce, living inside the pineal gland of the brain. Everywhere appears the trilogy of mind soul and body. Physical, non-physical and meta-physical. Just because we do not carry instruments of measurement for some non-physical things, does not necassarily mean that these things are meta-physcial. The supernatural can very well be something simply natural. Too many category mistakes here...You are misleading yourself by thinking that mind and soul are interchangeable |
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Post by mitchell on Dec 18, 2017 3:10:43 GMT
I agree that the soul and the mind are the same. But all that stuff about the Pineal gland, straight out of Descartes, has no scientific basis; in fact, just the opposite. I also find that the thoughts expressed in the OP are confused and I can think of no reason to believe that anything of the individual survives brain-death.
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Post by Elizabeth on Dec 18, 2017 3:20:06 GMT
I agree that the soul and the mind are the same. But all that stuff about the Pineal gland, straight out of Descartes, has no scientific basis; in fact, just the opposite. I also find that the thoughts expressed in the OP are confused and I can think of no reason to believe that anything of the individual survives brain-death. You mean there's a scientific basis for soul and mind to be the same? |
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Post by mitchell on Dec 18, 2017 3:51:51 GMT
Elisabeth asks, "You mean there's a scientific basis for soul and mind to be the same?"
Yes and no. What I mean is that other than immortality, all the attributes historically attributed to the soul are, in fact, mental attributes. We are our minds and our minds are us. Over and above the mind, there is no such thing as soul. The real philosophical question, at least since Descartes, is whether we, i.e., our minds, continue to exist after our body dies. With the development of the neurosciences, it is begining to look as if the mind is a function of the brain. If so, then when the brain dies, so does the mind, and "Poof!", we are no more. |
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Post by mitchell on Dec 18, 2017 3:57:05 GMT
I am curios, though, about how and why anyone would think the mind and the soul are distinct. Can you give me a characterization of each that justifies such a distinction?
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Post by Elizabeth on Dec 18, 2017 4:08:18 GMT
I am curios, though, about how and why anyone would think the mind and the soul are distinct. Can you give me a characterization of each that justifies such a distinction? I have 2 ideas regarding mind and soul. Mind allows you to think, be aware of the world, to feel, share intellect, etc. And some definitions use the brain as a synonym for the mind. So mind and brain could be same thing or working together in the same place. But, if the soul lives the body one day then what is it's nucleus basically? Every living think must have a nucleus/brain/mind to guide it. So I always thought that since the soul didn't leave the body then no new transaction happened. Like what if when the soul gets released it then begins to function and take control of itself with its own mind. So what if there are 2 minds but one is laying dormat until the soul wakes up and leaves? |
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Post by marduk on Dec 18, 2017 5:10:53 GMT
I agree that the soul and the mind are the same. But all that stuff about the Pineal gland, straight out of Descartes, has no scientific basis; in fact, just the opposite. I also find that the thoughts expressed in the OP are confused and I can think of no reason to believe that anything of the individual survives brain-death. i talked about di methyl triptamine before or DMT it is released by the pineal gland and if you ingest DMT you are thrown into a realm where time is eternal we all secrete dmt in our brains when we die and since in the realm of dmt 15 minutes can feel like eons i suppose thats where the concept of life after death and departing to heaven comes from, 7-15 minutes of brain activity after the body dies are eternal in terms of experience within th mind, the triptamine group of substances found in nature mimic the seratonin structure , a chemical produced in our brain. whats more fascinating is that humans have been consuming DMT from thousands of years, there were a couple of well preserved mummies found in Argentina who had engraved pipes buried along with them, the pipes had traces of a plant from the region which produced DMT, and the pipe was around 4000 years old, DMT also happens to be the most common hallucinogen found in nature only in todays day and age it has been deemed illegal and a schedule one substance (fuk da government) now about DMT secretion in our own brains, we do not know that for certain but it is proven that the pineal glands in rats do produce dmt, and just like different parts of the brain have have similar functions across the animal kingdom for example humans and dogs both have olfactory nerves and olfactory neurons , both used for the sensation of smell, i see some strong parallels there also medical hypotheses about dreams death and dmt. here is one www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0306987788900643 |
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