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Post by jonbain on Jul 15, 2021 20:27:16 GMT
I have never visited this part of the world, but typically found RT one of the more honest MSM networks
This article, is virtually a declaration of war
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jul 16, 2021 8:24:36 GMT
Jonathan, you should pay attention to resources you're searching. RT - is the central Putin's propaganda channel, like KCNA in North Korea. I wouldn't be surprised if you brought news from there that Russian troopers had landed on Mars or Jupiter.
If you're watching about news like this you should also check parallel, not propaganda news sources like: radiosvododa.org, bbc.com.russia, or some Navalny's channel.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jul 17, 2021 4:31:11 GMT
I think that would be much better to reunion again Belarus, Russia, and Ukraine, as it was in XI century. And then to unite with the other Slavic counties. I don't like the current separation situation between the countries of the Eastern Europe. Slavs must be together as they're brothers.
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Post by jonbain on Jul 18, 2021 12:39:17 GMT
Jonathan, you should pay attention to resources you're searching. RT - is the central Putin's propaganda channel, like KCNA in North Korea. I wouldn't be surprised if you brought news from there that Russian troopers had landed on Mars or Jupiter. If you're watching about news like this you should also check parallel, not propaganda news sources like: radiosvododa.org, bbc.com.russia, or some Navalny's channel. I very seldom watch ANY msm at all. But as this is Putin's word itself, its not really subject to much analysis. Perhaps you can verify/disprove something else they said. Is it true that Russia has virtually
removed all trace of the US dollar in its
economic policy recently?
The last 2 people to do this were Gaddafi and Saddam.
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Post by jonbain on Jul 18, 2021 13:49:24 GMT
Jonathan, you should pay attention to resources you're searching. RT - is the central Putin's propaganda channel, like KCNA in North Korea. I wouldn't be surprised if you brought news from there that Russian troopers had landed on Mars or Jupiter. If you're watching about news like this you should also check parallel, not propaganda news sources like: radiosvododa.org, bbc.com.russia, or some Navalny's channel.
not BBC, surely?
that is sodomite propaganda at its worst
(aka British Buggery Corporation)
not sure what you mean by Navalny's channel?
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jul 18, 2021 15:55:06 GMT
Jonathan, you should pay attention to resources you're searching. RT - is the central Putin's propaganda channel, like KCNA in North Korea. I wouldn't be surprised if you brought news from there that Russian troopers had landed on Mars or Jupiter. If you're watching about news like this you should also check parallel, not propaganda news sources like: radiosvododa.org, bbc.com.russia, or some Navalny's channel.
not BBC, surely?
that is sodomite propaganda at its worst
(aka British Buggery Corporation)
not sure what you mean by Navalny's channel?
Surely, bbc isn't the best example, but there are the other sources. I want to say that some Russian propaganda time to time appears. I wouldn't believe it if I hadn't spoken to some other Slavs from Yugoslavia and Macedonia. And plus to it I'm lettering (... writing messages?) with some Russians, so they can only confirm that that propaganda acts not only for the foreigners, aka the outer, but in inside. It's not surprising that the politics of Mr. Putin's year to year becomes more monarchy and kgb style. Navalny is a person who was poisoned by Putin's order, and now he's jailed. That Navalny made his vlog, and when I was mentioning the source of him I meant his YouTube channel. news.un.org/en/story/2021/03/1086012mobile.twitter.com/navalny?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor |
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Post by jonbain on Jul 18, 2021 15:59:59 GMT
Eugene 2.0I do recall that story now that you mention it. He was a politician in the Ukraine and his face was disfigured? So has Putin rejected the dollar outright?
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jul 18, 2021 16:31:22 GMT
Eugene 2.0I do recall that story now that you mention it. He was a politician in the Ukraine and his face was disfigured? So has Putin rejected the dollar outright? No, he is Russian. I'd say Navalny doesn't even have many sympathies to Ukraine. He was an investigator (or a researcher?) of some corruption schemes in Russia, being a candidate for the presidency chair. Most of the time the Russian political elite does anything to prevent his, Navalny, chance to become a candidate. Now they've jailed him, while this practice seems to be a routine – they put him in jail for some irrelevant and messy things to prevent his chance to register in the presidency race. Plus to it, recently Navalny made some very interesting investigation about Putin's estates, and found there dozens of crime activity behind. |
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Post by joustos on Jul 19, 2021 14:13:05 GMT
I think that would be much better to reunion again Belarus, Russia, and Ukraine, as it was in XI century. And then to unite with the other Slavic counties. I don't like the current separation situation between the countries of the Eastern Europe. Slavs must be together as they're brothers. Beware of brothers who don't have independent families! Look at the disasters of various European countries which formed the European Union -- a Union which was formed for them after their original and admirable E. Economic Community. An invisible hand guides the destiny of many nations! |
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Post by thesageofmainstreet on Jul 19, 2021 17:34:41 GMT
I have never visited this part of the world, but typically found RT one of the more honest MSM networks
This article, is virtually a declaration of war
or is this just how Russian's say ? Russia has a right to its own Monroe Doctrine. Decadent Western Europe has become an aggressive threat, which the Ukrainians foolishly let themselves be used by in hopes of cheap rewards. |
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Post by jonbain on Jul 19, 2021 18:35:42 GMT
I have never visited this part of the world, but typically found RT one of the more honest MSM networks
This article, is virtually a declaration of war
or is this just how Russian's say ? Russia has a right to its own Monroe Doctrine. Decadent Western Europe has become an aggressive threat, which the Ukrainians foolishly let themselves be used by in hopes of cheap rewards. Well, i do mostly agree. Except this idea of first annexing a little bit, (Crimea) and then insisting that some other nation is culturally the same (Ukraine) and should be united for the sake of 'brotherhood' is a little bit too reminiscent of Czechs, Austria, Rhineland, etc... And most of my Ukrainian friends and Russian friends do not think all that much of Vladimir. Still, the Ukraine gobbermint seems to be fairly tragic from what I can ascertain at this distance. |
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jul 19, 2021 21:09:47 GMT
NYETORussia has a right to its own Monroe Doctrine. Decadent Western Europe has become an aggressive threat, which the Ukrainians foolishly let themselves be used by in hopes of cheap rewards. Well, i do mostly agree. Except this idea of first annexing a little bit, (Crimea) and then insisting that some other nation is culturally the same (Ukraine) and should be united for the sake of 'brotherhood' is a little bit too reminiscent of Czechs, Austria, Rhineland, etc... And most of my Ukrainian friends and Russian friends do not think all that much of Vladimir. Still, the Ukraine gobbermint seems to be fairly tragic from what I can ascertain at this distance. That's true. Must say that the way how you've uttered your thought is one of the best one. Unfortunately, the idea of Slavianism or pan-Slavism isn't so well now, even some researchers claimed about it. If to speak honestly, any brotherhoods are good (especially when it comes to the economy or politics). And the reversed processes of union (or the disconnection) might be natural processes. During the history Ukraine almost never was united. There are plenty of folks here who even in IX-XI centuries were disconnected and be antagonists to each other those times. Russian empire as soon as Ukrainian leader and the ataman (the head) of Cossacks Bogdan Khmelnitsky asked for help (being in the serious trouble) imposed him too cabalic or enslaving conditions (orders?), and sooner because of those circs they demanded Khmelnitsky to subdue to the Russian tzar. I think "brother" folk wouldn't do this to his neighbours, but they had done it. Same story happened to the Sich (the headquarters and their central camp) of Cossacks, and by orders of Catherine the second (1775) this Sich was destroyed completely. Many others not pleasure things happened also, including prohibition to use Ukrainian language (during XIX and some periods in XX, mostly by Stalin's orders), made situation not be more pleasant. Surely, all of that history circumstances might be forgotten, but they show the attitude to Ukraine from Russia's side. That's why some careful politics is needed, and the example of Mr. Putin shows it. There were good times when the friendship between Ukraine and Russia were actual. In XX some periods during USSR (55-75), and later in 90's (when the present of Russia was Boris Eltzin). These periods can be taken as model of bringing the friendship back; nonetheless, these times the rulers of Russia were more sane and adequate, perhaps, in some aspects concerning of the outer politics. |
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jul 19, 2021 21:49:11 GMT
I think that would be much better to reunion again Belarus, Russia, and Ukraine, as it was in XI century. And then to unite with the other Slavic counties. I don't like the current separation situation between the countries of the Eastern Europe. Slavs must be together as they're brothers. Beware of brothers who don't have independent families! Look at the disasters of various European countries which formed the European Union -- a Union which was formed for them after their original and admirable E. Economic Community. An invisible hand guides the destiny of many nations! No doubt those unions are usually about someone's economic, not "for all (or certain) counties sake". More truly state of affairs is that to change anything without using revolutionary ways doesn't seem to be possible. Looking at history of the relationship between Slavs, bow many time Slavs had been united? They were in X, few periods during XVII-XVIII, and in XX as USSR. None of those unions were stable and good, and none of those was health and fruitful. As one Scandinavian person said me that not the Slavian counties, bit the iron of Nordic and Saxons had stopped the Mongols from the East; the same is here, not many rational inventions and way of governing were accepted here. So, not taking into account the cultural or inner relationships may be dangerous. The youths now aim different icons and principles, that's why I guess that we shouldn't ignore this fact. I know that the habits are more tenacious, and however the way to prevent any mafioso unions is to care about future by adequate education and building the fine economy. The first is changing now, because of the traditions' fall, the second is too depend on the politics. And an image of a politician is something to be closer to West European, than to the East. Most Eastern countries always had tyrants. And I guess the tyranny is a consequence of the social organisation. The last one is a problem of the civilized cities. The last one is a function of good ruling the city, so the complete rule of any spheres of a city. So, what do I notice here: governing cities is mostly "in one's family". If what you said about the independent families included how to govern a city, them I agree with you on that for city governing (and a country governing as well) the independency is a barrier. |
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Post by Triangle on Jul 22, 2021 12:59:55 GMT
The Coach Red Pill (Gonzalo Lira) makes a video that we mention some economic measure which indicates war, and he says that is low and there will not be any war.
He is from Chile, but lived most of his life in USA and now lives in Ukraine. Graduated in Economics.
If you have patience:
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jul 23, 2021 5:28:06 GMT
Invading in modern Ukraine is as stupid as sticking your hand into a dirty toilet.
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