Yhamilitz
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Post by Yhamilitz on Nov 14, 2017 2:51:29 GMT
What are your opinions on that 2 kinds of citizenship?
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Post by Mortimer on Nov 14, 2017 4:22:05 GMT
I dont have a opinion. Im Austrian citizen eventhough Im not ethnic Austrian. Most countries allow citizenship for non-natives.
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Post by Sarmatian on Nov 14, 2017 5:49:39 GMT
Ethnic Nationality? What's that even mean?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2017 23:51:45 GMT
I don't have an opinion, these are just two different things. Although I haven't heard about "ethnic nationality" neither, I presume you refer simply to ethnicity.
You can have citizenship of a country X while being an ethnic Y, and you can have a citizenship of a country X while being an ethnic Y. I can't really have an opinion on that, but both cases seem reasonable and logical.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2017 23:59:20 GMT
Nationality implies you are part of certain nation. Its pure, its constant. The rest doesn't even matter.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Nov 15, 2017 0:01:11 GMT
Nationality implies you are part of certain nation. Its pure, its constant. The rest doesn't even matter. Yes, but in the West often Nationality is citizenship! When we have it the same as ethnicity!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2017 0:03:26 GMT
Nationality implies you are part of certain nation. Its pure, its constant. The rest doesn't even matter. Yes, but in the West often Nationality is citizenship! When we have it the same as ethnicity! The West is deeply sick.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Nov 15, 2017 0:10:13 GMT
Yes, but in the West often Nationality is citizenship! When we have it the same as ethnicity! The West is deeply sick. I think it may because of propoganda tolerance
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Yhamilitz
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Post by Yhamilitz on Nov 15, 2017 6:22:56 GMT
Yes, but in the West often Nationality is citizenship! When we have it the same as ethnicity! The West is deeply sick. Well, I understand citizenship as being part of a nation. But today, I'm beginning to question what makes you part of a country. I understand Civil nationality, (Or Ethic Citizenship) as when you are in a nation, and try to be a "role model and moral citizen" of that country. Respecting their lags and so. Ethnic nationality in other hand, is more in relation to your culture. Per example, I'm Mexican, but I don't feel very identified with the mainstream culture in Central Mexico. I instead, see myself more as a Northern Mexican. Something that make Northern Mexico very different to the Central-Southern Places in Mexico, is that most of it's population, are not natives of that land. They are basically descent of settlers from Central Mexico (Mestizos, or Natives) Europeans, and in a very small way, from Lebanese immigrants. That's how Northern Mexico was built. Then you have some ethnic groups who seems to be loyal to their race or ethnicity that their citizenship. Thats happens mainly in South Africa. And sometimes, people in the Americas associate race with nationality. (Which I see it very stupid for a Latin America, because Latin America is a melting pot) But still you have these people who only remain loyal to their ethnic groups. I'm not talking about races specifically, I talk about some ethnic groups, Like some Native Americans groups, or even some Regionalist people in countries like Mexico, or Brazil.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2017 8:28:30 GMT
One is a part of a nation when he/she contributes to the society by working in the country, paying taxes, and when generally functions in this country as everyone else.
We don't have such issues with big ethnic or cultural differences here, in fact it's quite monolithic. There are various ethnic groups in Poland, of which most of them are simply derived from the Medieval tribes which after unification/conquest became the nation. There are also non-Polish ethnic minorities that in many cases reside here since the Middle Ages, prior to the World War II there were a lot of Jews. But even in this context people refer to them as to "Polish Jews" to accent their origins. The others, such as Tatars or Rusyns, who also have Polish nationality are Poles as well, at the same time being ethnically someone else.
To me both are equal, I don't divide people on that matter. Even such a thing as a country is a politically created entity.
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Post by AdrianTov on Nov 22, 2017 5:25:42 GMT
Well, Yhamil, it depends. If you are OK with it, then you are fine.
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enarjilisi
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Post by enarjilisi on Dec 3, 2017 9:19:44 GMT
Unless you are a Hebrew, then if you live in a state long enough, you will be naturalized, i.e. you will change ethnicity and join the ethnic majority.
Only highly nationalistic ethnic minorities can live in non-native states for generations and still retain their culture and language. Apart from the Hebrews, I can cite Armenians, Kurds, and possible eastern peoples such as Indians, Chinese, Arabs, and so on. Religion is also one of the factors that makes it hard to lose one's ethnic identity.
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Post by Elizabeth on Dec 3, 2017 9:29:28 GMT
Unless you are a Hebrew, then if you live in a state long enough, you will be naturalized, i.e. you will change ethnicity and join the ethnic majority. Only highly nationalistic ethnic minorities can live in non-native states for generations and still retain their culture and language. Apart from the Hebrews, I can cite Armenians, Kurds, and possible eastern peoples such as Indians, Chinese, Arabs, and so on. Religion is also one of the factors that makes it hard to lose one's ethnic identity. I don't know too well about this but...what do you mean, "unless you are hebrew". What makes them so special?
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Post by Διαμονδ on Dec 3, 2017 9:38:44 GMT
Unless you are a Hebrew, then if you live in a state long enough, you will be naturalized, i.e. you will change ethnicity and join the ethnic majority. Only highly nationalistic ethnic minorities can live in non-native states for generations and still retain their culture and language. Apart from the Hebrews, I can cite Armenians, Kurds, and possible eastern peoples such as Indians, Chinese, Arabs, and so on. Religion is also one of the factors that makes it hard to lose one's ethnic identity. I don't know too well about this but...what do you mean, "unless you are hebrew". What makes them so special? There is nothing special about the Jews of course! Another thing religious Jews, who always live in their complex rules in any country of the world!
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enarjilisi
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Post by enarjilisi on Dec 3, 2017 9:43:51 GMT
I don't know too well about this but...what do you mean, "unless you are hebrew ". What makes them so special?
The history makes them special. I cannot name any other ethnic group that would survive 26 centuries of roaming as separate families or very small groups in foreign countries, while their own country did not exist anymore. And they did keep their culture and religion (and in many occasions, their language, too), and the more so, they managed to restore their own country after one of the most severe genocides the history ever knew. Take just that fact: a small people, hardly 0,1% of the global population, provided the world with 20% of Nobel prize winners. Sure, this is a highly talented and motivated nation.
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