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Post by jonbain on Jul 13, 2018 19:53:25 GMT
Its a bit perturbing that this forum only seems to recognize the 3 divided types of Christianism: Protestant, Catholic, Orthodoxy.
I happen to consider such divisions the work of Satan, and those who buy into them have vested interests in collecting tithes, and thus are sacramentarians: not True Christians.
As a mystic, I see Christ's teachings as being transcendental to church. In the parable of the good Samaritan, he clearly shows that one's actions are what are vital, not which symbols one wears.
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Post by treez on Jul 19, 2018 21:19:50 GMT
Its a bit perturbing that this forum only seems to recognize the 3 divided types of Christianism: Protestant, Catholic, Orthodoxy. I happen to consider such divisions the work of Satan, and those who buy into them have vested interests in collecting tithes, and thus are sacramentarians: not True Christians. As a mystic, I see Christ's teachings as being transcendental to church. In the parable of the good Samaritan, he clearly shows that one's actions are what are vital, not which symbols one wears. As a Mystic - a kind reminder that the bible sees you as a work of satan - and i bid you good day
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2018 14:44:27 GMT
Your judgements of other's act like him...based off your fruits I just assumed he already was welcome Oh, so we are allowed to judge now? Okay. So in my discernment I act like Satan? How? How does Satan judge others? We are supposed to be able to discern good and evil. We as Christians are supposed to tell people what is evil based on God’s word, whether or not they want to listen is up to them. It isn’t about dominating people, where you get that impression I don’t know. People have the choice to listen or not. We cannot dominate anyone through a forum nor can we make anyone do anything outside their own will in person. We are to tell people the truth in love that they might come to the knowledge of the truth, come to repentance, and come to faith in Christ. What are my fruits? Your fruits? Telling other christians, and non-christians they are going to hell unless they listen to your interpretation of the bible. At which point someone points out that it is "your" interpretation, to which you response is this is what the bible says. At which point someone pulls up another verse you either ignore or you pull up another verse and the process continues. You claim you interpretation is correct, hence imply God must either speak or influence what you say...but this is what a million other Christians sects claim. You say discern good and evil, but in reality whatever interpretation you claim is true is good and other interpretations are evil, hence you take a highly subjective and relativistic approach to not just scripture but morality as well considering a spiral effect occurs where you can quote any verse to justify whatever you want. How does this differ from relativism?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2018 14:51:22 GMT
1 Timothy 2 King James Version (KJV)
2 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.
8 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.
9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pastoral_epistles"They are generally discussed as a group (sometimes with the addition of the Epistle to Philemon) and are given the title pastoral because they are addressed to individuals with pastoral oversight of churches and discuss issues of Christian living, doctrine and leadership" That is my point Christian living is not limited to strictly inside a church only....Elizabeth, from a sola scriptura approach, has no right to speak, teach or give any form of authority over a man in regards to church teachings regardless of whether he is a Christian or not. At which point you will claim whoever she is speaking to is technically not a Christian and you will continually keep redefining what a Christian is either by pulling a verse out of a hat and linking it to some obscure behavior or link it justify her ability to speak by....whatever.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2018 14:59:54 GMT
1 Timothy 2 King James Version (KJV)
2 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.
8 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.
9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
I had no clue you didn't know what "all men" meant since women pray and give thanks in bible too. But I googled it for you. I assumed because you were a teacher and preached the bible you could read, so here is what "woman" means: an adult human female. www.bing.com/search?q=woman+definition&qs=n&form=QBLH&sp=-1&pq=woman+definition&sc=8-16&sk=&cvid=19A0FB03543D4780BCBD132A8CFE5146Do you want to know what a "female" is too?....... and here are the versuses 10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works. 11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jul 21, 2018 15:45:16 GMT
Oh, so we are allowed to judge now? Okay. So in my discernment I act like Satan? How? How does Satan judge others? We are supposed to be able to discern good and evil. We as Christians are supposed to tell people what is evil based on God’s word, whether or not they want to listen is up to them. It isn’t about dominating people, where you get that impression I don’t know. People have the choice to listen or not. We cannot dominate anyone through a forum nor can we make anyone do anything outside their own will in person. We are to tell people the truth in love that they might come to the knowledge of the truth, come to repentance, and come to faith in Christ. What are my fruits? Your fruits? Telling other christians, and non-christians they are going to hell unless they listen to your interpretation of the bible. At which point someone points out that it is "your" interpretation, to which you response is this is what the bible says. At which point someone pulls up another verse you either ignore or you pull up another verse and the process continues. You claim you interpretation is correct, hence imply God must either speak or influence what you say...but this is what a million other Christians sects claim. You say discern good and evil, but in reality whatever interpretation you claim is true is good and other interpretations are evil, hence you take a highly subjective and relativistic approach to not just scripture but morality as well considering a spiral effect occurs where you can quote any verse to justify whatever you want. How does this differ from relativism? When did I tell anyone that they were going to hell? Clovis and I just had a discussion on a certain passage in Genesis in where he’s conducting eisegesis, but did I tell him that because he believes fallen angels mated with women before Noah’s flood that he’s going to hell for it? How about you go look at that thread and quote where I said he was going to hell. Better yet, go quote every time I’ve said on this forum someone was going to hell if they didn’t believe what I believe. The Bible says certain people are going to hell, not me. John 3:18 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. There's your non-believers, condemned already. Seems your issue is with what scripture says, not me. You’re attacking a straw man and you’ve been attacking this straw man for quite some time now. I’ve said on multiple occasions now that I don’t know who is or who isn’t going to hell because I don’t have access to the book of life. Nobody knows who’s going to hell, men cannot see the hearts of other men and what they truly believe, only God can. I don’t make that call. I can only tell people the truth in love and hope they repent of their evil deeds and turn to Christ. It isn’t relativism because I’m not using culture, society, or historical context to determine morality, truth, and knowledge. “Telling other christians, and non-christians they are going to hell unless they listen to your interpretation of the bible. At which point someone points out that it is "your" interpretation, to which you response is this is what the bible says.” “My” interpretation is an exegesis and the Holy Spirit leads me in understanding the scripture. Though, and I’m sure I’ve said this before as well, I don’t want anyone to believe me, I want them to pick up the word of God themselves and read it with an open mind and without any influence other than from God. There is only one interpretation of scripture. Do you think God wants His word interpreted in 20 different ways or just one?
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jul 21, 2018 16:23:20 GMT
WoW Christian conversations continue here!
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jul 21, 2018 16:26:40 GMT
“Telling other christians, and non-christians they are going to hell unless they listen to your interpretation of the bible. At which point someone points out that it is "your" interpretation, to which you response is this is what the bible says.” “My” interpretation is an exegesis and the Holy Spirit leads me in understanding the scripture. Though, and I’m sure I’ve said this before as well, I don’t want anyone to believe me, I want them to pick up the word of God themselves and read it with an open mind and without any influence other than from God. There is only one interpretation of scripture. Do you think God wants His word interpreted in 20 different ways or just one? If the Lord has revealed to you the truth of the Scripture, do you know the names of the people who agree with you? The truth is it is one for all! So there were people who are in solidarity with your position. .where did they live in the 6th or 8th century? God is always the same and he always tells the truth. If you are unable to answer this question as correctly as possible then it makes no sense to talk to other people with you..this is a fundamental question.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jul 21, 2018 16:39:08 GMT
“Telling other christians, and non-christians they are going to hell unless they listen to your interpretation of the bible. At which point someone points out that it is "your" interpretation, to which you response is this is what the bible says.” “My” interpretation is an exegesis and the Holy Spirit leads me in understanding the scripture. Though, and I’m sure I’ve said this before as well, I don’t want anyone to believe me, I want them to pick up the word of God themselves and read it with an open mind and without any influence other than from God. There is only one interpretation of scripture. Do you think God wants His word interpreted in 20 different ways or just one? If the Lord has revealed to you the truth of the Scripture, do you know the names of the people who agree with you? The truth is it is one for all! So there were people who are in solidarity with your position. .where did they live in the 6th or 8th century? God is always the same and he always tells the truth. If you are unable to answer this question as correctly as possible then it makes no sense to talk to other people with you..this is a fundamental question. I told you already dude. Why are you still talking to me? Why does there have to some famous man in the 6th or 8th century that has to agree with what I believe? It's a stupid and irrelevant question and yet you parrot it over and over like it determines the legitimacy of what I believe. People have believed the word of God throughout all time, they didn't need to be famous/mentioned in history; fame is not what determines your faith facepalm
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jul 21, 2018 16:42:07 GMT
"They are generally discussed as a group (sometimes with the addition of the Epistle to Philemon) and are given the title pastoral because they are addressed to individuals with pastoral oversight of churches and discuss issues of Christian living, doctrine and leadership" That is my point Christian living is not limited to strictly inside a church only....Elizabeth, from a sola scriptura approach, has no right to speak, teach or give any form of authority over a man in regards to church teachings regardless of whether he is a Christian or not. At which point you will claim whoever she is speaking to is technically not a Christian and you will continually keep redefining what a Christian is either by pulling a verse out of a hat and linking it to some obscure behavior or link it justify her ability to speak by....whatever. Titus 2:3 King James Version (KJV) 3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; So they aren't allowed to teach but they are? NOWHERE in the Bible does God prohibit women from sharing the gospel.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jul 21, 2018 16:53:38 GMT
If the Lord has revealed to you the truth of the Scripture, do you know the names of the people who agree with you? The truth is it is one for all! So there were people who are in solidarity with your position. .where did they live in the 6th or 8th century? God is always the same and he always tells the truth. If you are unable to answer this question as correctly as possible then it makes no sense to talk to other people with you..this is a fundamental question. I told you already dude. Why are you still talking to me? That's what I call your demagoguery. In any case, the answer is important for the promotion of this topic. We're all in the same rights here to ask questions. People here should understand your position as much as possible. If you are in the truth, it is important to everyone. I'll ease up on my question: - Do you consider yourself close in Protestantism to Calvinism or Arminianism ?-
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jul 21, 2018 17:10:45 GMT
I told you already dude. Why are you still talking to me? That's what I call your demagoguery. In any case, the answer is important for the promotion of this topic. We're all in the same rights here to ask questions. People here should understand your position as much as possible. If you are in the truth, it is important to everyone. I'll ease up on my question: - Do you consider yourself close in Protestantism to Calvinism or Arminianism ?- sigh demagogue: a leader who makes use of popular prejudices and false claims and promises in order to gain power So you think I'm a leader? What popular prejudices and false claims and promises am I making to gain power? "the answer is important for the promotion of this topic." I gave you my answer facepalm sigh "We're all in the same rights here to ask questions." I didn't object, but when I answered your question already and you keep asking it, it turns into a form of harassment which is against the rules of this forum. "People here should understand your position as much as possible." And I'm sure they do. I've iterated my position plenty of times for everyone to see. "If you are in the truth, it is important to everyone." No, some people don't care at all. "Do you consider yourself close in Protestantism to Calvinism or Arminianism ?" None. I don't go by a title, but if I was to be labeled, you would label me a Protestant and then generalize based on that label like you always do, then say that Protestants didn't exist in the 6th and 8th centuries, but I've already countered that point. A famous person in history does not determine the beliefs of all Christians of any time period. Your question about someone believing as I do in the 6th or 8th century is irrelevant and impossible to answer because nobody knows all the names of every believer except God.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jul 21, 2018 17:24:08 GMT
this question matters... because if you're actually right, history has always known your like-minded people, and they would have left their mark.. If you are indifferent to the opinion of other Christians here..why are you here to talk to them?Just spend your and their time Shrug No one is attacking your position here. .it's just that within the Anthropology of a subject, the subject must be studied as thoroughly as possible. If you are convinced of your rightness no one is obliged to convince your..but questions of fact remain important. Synonyms to the word -Demagogue- sinonim.org/s/%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B8%D1%8F
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jul 21, 2018 17:31:19 GMT
Short help.. word -Demagogue- not always in different languages has a direct meaning Shrug
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jul 21, 2018 17:50:24 GMT
this question matters... because if you're actually right, history has always known your like-minded people, and they would have left their mark.. If you are indifferent to the opinion of other Christians here..why are you here to talk to them?Just spend your and their time Shrug No one is attacking your position here. .it's just that within the Anthropology of a subject, the subject must be studied as thoroughly as possible. If you are convinced of your rightness no one is obliged to convince your..but questions of fact remain important. Synonyms to the word -Demagogue- sinonim.org/s/%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B8%D1%8F"it's just that within the Anthropology of a subject" Arktos: A Social Anthropology/ General Discussion Community Not everything on this forum is within the study of human societies and cultures and their development. I'm not an anthropologist, but I know enough about history to know that a famous person's theology in history does not determine the beliefs of all Christians of any time period. For example, today, many see Billy Graham as a great preacher, the 'pope', so to speak, of Protestantism, but I see him as a false preacher shrug Will I go down in history for disagreeing with Billy Graham? No. I will be forgotten.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jul 21, 2018 18:03:05 GMT
this question matters... because if you're actually right, history has always known your like-minded people, and they would have left their mark.. If you are indifferent to the opinion of other Christians here..why are you here to talk to them?Just spend your and their time No one is attacking your position here. .it's just that within the Anthropology of a subject, the subject must be studied as thoroughly as possible. If you are convinced of your rightness no one is obliged to convince your..but questions of fact remain important. Synonyms to the word -Demagogue- sinonim.org/s/%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B8%D1%8F"it's just that within the Anthropology of a subject" Arktos: A Social Anthropology/ General Discussion Community Not everything on this forum is within the study of human societies and cultures and their development. I'm not an anthropologist, but I know enough about history to know that a famous person's theology in history does not determine the beliefs of all Christians of any time period. For example, today, many see Billy Graham as a great preacher, the 'pope', so to speak, of Protestantism, but I see him as a false preacher Will I go down in history for disagreeing with Billy Graham? No. I will be forgotten. It is clear that not all anthropologists here..well, you should expect questions from those who are interested in the depth of the subject. Not just the outside. So Billy was a false preacher? So his audience and his supporters will follow him to hell? You're both Baptists..what's the contradiction between you and Billy?
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