Israel vs Palestine

That's not my question.

AmericanCharm, Hamas is not the only group of Palestinians and is definitely not supported by all of them. There are even Palestinians who support Israel, there are Palestinians who support Fatah. Hamas is just the most radical organization supported by some % of Palestinians (officially).

How do you decide which country has a right to exist and which doesn't?

NO, ISRAEL IS NOT A DEMOCRACY
katehon.com/article/no-israel-not-democracy

And the Israelis are killing young nurses who help the wounded and who don't have guns or any wish to fight. What makes them better?


No, it's very far from "vast majority". But I'd like to see the evidence for that claim, if you have any.


Hezbollah is not a Palestinian organization, but Lebanese. They're mostly Shiite Muslims, Palestinian Muslims are mostly Sunni. Although they have a common goal with Hamas. Anyway, it's not Palestinian, and not considered as terrorist organization by most countries. Same story with Hamas though.

And neither does the "vast majority" of Palestinians.


So had the Americans responsible for the death of 290 people who traveled from Iran to the United Arab Emirates - Iran Air Flight 655, shot down by USS Vincenness.

Americans murder all around as well. Are Americans terrorists?

I recommend you getting acquainted with an organization that was known as Lohamei Herut Israel, or shortly Lehi. It was an Israeli terrorist organization responsible for certain attacks, including the murder of Folke Bernadotte, who was sent as a mediator in Israeli-Arab conflict by the UN and the Red Cross.


Surprisingly the United States and Israel see no problem in being buddies with Saudi Arabia which is responsible for the deaths of Yemeni people.


Guess who managed to do the similar thing in Yugoslavia.

So far you are picking which murder is good, and which murder is bad. Both are bad. But you demonize one while gloryfing the other. Terrorists are terrorists. Common people are common people. Just because the USA kills people everywhere doesn't make me perceive "the vast majority" of Americans as murderers, just because they voted for somebody. You seem to use that logic in this case.


No, I don't. But if you want to use such primitive rhetorics here, then let me do the same: if you support Israel and the United States, you are supporting genocidal maniacs who start unnecessary conflicts only to make their pockets full.

PS. I voted for the third option.

An investigation into the killing of the Palestinian nurse during protests on the Gaza border showed that she was not shot deliberately. In war civilians are going to get harmed, I’ve seen footage of Palestins using their children as human shields, telling their children to throw rocks at Israel soldiers. They radicalize their children from such a young age. So yes it’s my subjective opinion that Israel’s incidents againsts Palestinian protestors are better than the actions of radical Islamists.

I’m aware Hezbollah is Lebanese I was pointing out not only is Israel fighting Hamas and other Islamic terrorists from Palestine they are also in conflict with Hezbollah.

I would be referring to when Hamas won the presidency of Palestine where Ismail Haniyeh won the election with the majority of the votes. They have only gotten more radical since then, there has been significant increase in Palestinian individuals supporting terrorism and particularly in the age group of 18-22.

Palestine has a desire to annihilate Israel and Israeli Jews under the guise of eliminating Zionism. Israel are largely counter responding to the terrorist actions of a neighbor, that doesn’t mean I feel
Israel is completely innocent.

Air flight 665? The plane did not answer to communications and I believe was in a no fly zone. The end result was it got shot down. Apparently The USA says they had mistaken the airliner for an F-14 Tomcat. I think the details about what truly went on with that are hard to know for sure. Possibly a case of trigger happiness, perhaps accidental, perhaps done purposefully. Something similar happened in 1983, where a Soviet fighter plane shot down a Korean Air Lines passenger jet over the Sea of Japan, killing all 269 on board.

In my opinion terrorists are people who wish to harm citizens and not necessarily anyone directly. They just want mass casualties. Often attacking soft targets. The U.S and Israel government have certainly engaged in terrorism.

But revolutionaries are often terrorists until recognized as such. America's founding fathers, French Revolutionaries, Cuban Revolutionaries, the IRA (still considered terrorists), Chinese Communists, and so on. It all depends on what side you are on. Now this is where it goes back to my original post in my thread about how it’s a situation of two evils, and which one is the lesser evil probably has a lot to do with what nation you come from.

Don’t get me started on Saudi Arabia, for us to have an embargo on Cuba still for their human rights record but to be allied with Saudi Arabia is a joke.

The “terror” that the U.S and Israel have participated in is distinctly different from the terrorism that Hamas, Hezbollah, ISIS and so on have participated in. They have the element of being an oppressive cult of death that uses people as cannon fodder to engage in random attacks and suicide attacks on civilians. With an end goal of achieving Islamic world domination. Islam is the most brutal and oppressive imperialist cult on earth.

Islam has been waging war in every country against every religion it’s in proximity to for thousands of years now. They don’t have a problem with just The U.S and Israel they wanna dominate every square centimetre of this earth.

So however you want to look at this situation whether it be seeing it as Zionism vs Islam, Expansionist terror vs Radical Islamic terror, both or whatever. I do see a lesser evil.

When people in The Middle East can separate their religion from politics and economy they will make some progress and will be more respected, but they have no interest in that.

As for your last statement I wouldn’t doubt it if that is how you actually felt. I would say that statement has truth and falsehood in it. I would say The United States is an expansionist nation. Having economic, military and cultural influence on many other nations. I’ve already stated why an Israel alliance is beneficial at this time for us.

The United States has an aim for power just as almost every great nation of the past had. Much of civilization was built on brutal imperialism (and I wouldn’t quite consider U.S imperialist). The Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, Spanish, British, and so on. If America seized to exist China or Russia would be right there to take our spot as the world superpower.

There are hundreds of armed conflicts around the world right now that are completely disconnected from the U.S. Look at the Russian conflict in the Ukraine. Putin has most definitely shown his expansionist/imperialist side. The Soviets also did to Afghanistan what The U.S did to Iran, they set up like a puppet state. China, open up a history book and look at what they did in the past to other nations.

Our foreign policy is not good. But our foreign policy, military campaigns, and covert actions aren’t much different than any other powerful nations in history. The United Kingdom has had its fair share of atrocious actions, I don’t think I need to mention China, Japan, or Germany. Spain annihilated civilizations as well. This is the way things are.