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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 17:13:54 GMT
Which side do you support?
The conflict lasts for a very long time already, and recently another clashes started, which resulted in Israeli snipers shooting at the Palestinian protesters, claiming they are Hamas members. That's actually somewhat true, but I don't think a 21-year-old Palestinian nurse focused on helping the wounded was a threat to the Israelis, yet she was killed by a sniper.
So, which one do you support?
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Post by Siluk on Jun 23, 2018 17:38:37 GMT
I am not a big fan of both sides, but in this case I support Palestine.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 17:43:29 GMT
I am not a big fan of both sides, but in this case I support Palestine. What's your reasoning?
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Post by Siluk on Jun 23, 2018 17:58:32 GMT
The Israeli government has the power and capacity to enforce the borders that it wants, doesn't worry about any threats from its Palestinian or Arab neighbours and can clearly be identified as a country democratically, without having to go through all of this suffering that both of these sides are experiencing.
The Palestinian terrorist problem Israel is facing is a problem that came to the world BECAUSE of Israel itself. It is like harassing ghettos that are armed, the ghettos in the end will want you to stop and fire back, you can't put all the blame on the ghettos for doing so.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jun 23, 2018 18:00:08 GMT
Palestine!
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Post by jonbain on Jun 23, 2018 20:25:53 GMT
Which side do you support?
The conflict lasts for a very long time already, and recently another clashes started, which resulted in Israeli snipers shooting at the Palestinian protesters, claiming they are Hamas members. That's actually somewhat true, but I don't think a 21-year-old Palestinian nurse focused on helping the wounded was a threat to the Israelis, yet she was killed by a sniper.
So, which one do you support?
The animals living in what is left of the natural environment. Which side cares about them the most? Those that are defenseless against the tanks and bombs and guns and bombs. How many fish are left in the Mediterranean? For the entire planet, 90% of the fish have been greedily gobbled by humanity over the last 200 years. The countries around the Mediterranean have been the worst offenders - that is why all around it, is conflict and economic hardship. The ocean's resources are the litmus test of humanity. I'm on the side of the Dolphins.
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Post by fschmidt on Jun 23, 2018 20:34:27 GMT
Palestine
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Post by MEGA on Jun 23, 2018 21:03:43 GMT
What shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
You shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that you be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.
All these are the beginning of sorrows. (Matthew 24)
And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed:
and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms,
and it shall stand for ever. (Daniel 2:44)
The Lord his God is with him, and the shout of a king is among them. (Numbers 23:21)
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jun 23, 2018 21:21:13 GMT
fschmidt it must be hard for Jews to be against Israel?
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Post by fschmidt on Jun 23, 2018 23:29:07 GMT
fschmidt it must be hard for Jews to be against Israel? I don't care about race, so it isn't hard for me. I care about the Torah, and Talmudic Judaism is a violation of the Torah.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jun 24, 2018 0:37:48 GMT
Neither side.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2018 2:27:26 GMT
As far as I'm concerned, they both have to right to exist. Both have retarded premises. One literally controls the United States, the other just blowing up some walls and gets killed at protests.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2018 2:49:09 GMT
Being from India, I would take up a neutral stand, but, israel's hegemony, I won't support. There's absolutely no reason for israel to do atrocities on palestine civilians, by claiming themselves to be chosen people, and make palestine people landless.
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Post by AmericanCharm on Jun 24, 2018 4:44:24 GMT
I believe they are both threats to world peace, and it’s simply a situation of a lesser of two evils. The lesser evil is a subjective stance that would probably depend a lot on what nation you are from.
If you support American interests there is a good chance you support Israel. Israel is essentially a military base in The Middle East for The USA. Problem is we can’t let Israel control our foreign policy and I believe they have way too much influence in this regard.
We send a lot of money to Israel. But the money we send to Israel comes right back to The U.S though. It is equivalent of US buying from defense industry directly. Since Israel is essentially a military presence for The U.S in the region, it requires spending. It is part of the agreement that Israel spends an overwhelming majority of funds buying goods from the U.S.
Their troops cross train with our troops, they share counter terrorism intelligence with The USA and it benefits our corporate interests to ally with them. The U.S. stockpiles fuel, weapons, food, and munitions in Israel, in case the U.S. ever needs them while in the region. Israeli ports are also used by the U.S. Navy. There are also countless joint research projects between Israeli and American academic institutions, in all disciplines.
They have already given up a huge portion of land they earned in the war of 1967. They are and have always been at the forefront of fighting Jihadists. There are at least twenty two Arab states but the Jews cannot have one?
Israel is a Jewish state democracy basically surrounded by pan-arabists and radical muslims who want to kill them because the think they are entitled to the land currently occupied by the Israelis. Hamas is a terrorist organization. It is a bloody war, and some civilians are going to get harmed in war. But if the roles were reversed Hamas would kill every Jew in Israel.
I am anti Zionist Globalism but I am also anti radical Islam. Both sides end goal is world domination. I would oppose both with fellow Nationalists and anybody else who sees the threat they both pose. But I would support Israel against Palestine, Egypt, and Jordan. When you compare Islamic Authoritarian regimes to Israel the choice is clear for me.
To compare places where Hamas is killing homosexuals and establishing Islamic dress standards for women compared to Israel where their women have freedom and rights. Not only that but Israel respects freedom of religion, there is actually a large Atheist and Agnostic population there. A large portion of Israel’s population is Muslim as well, compare that to the kind of welcoming Jews get in Palestine. It’s not even comparable.
I believe radical Islam to be the biggest threat facing mankind. I would stand with Christians, Jews, Hindus, Pagons, Non Religious, and so on against Islam.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Jun 24, 2018 4:57:00 GMT
I support Israel. The Palestinians are genocidal savages. Israel is the only civilized country in that whole region. Given a choice between the only liberal democracy in the region which affords it's citizens all the freedoms of the western world and a pack of medieval goat shagging fundamentalist extremists with dreams of genocide against the Jewish people and probably everyone who isn't Muslim, I choose the Jews.
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