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Post by DKTrav88 on Jun 22, 2018 10:09:04 GMT
This symbol is used in occult freemasonry, As seen here, Why is it used in the orthodox churches? A little info about this symbol; it represents the all-seeing eye of the Great Architect of the Universe. It is used within Freemasonry to represent the deity neutrally (in whatever form, and by whatever name each member may individually believe in). It is a Rosicrucian conception of God; what is Rosicrucianism? It is an esoteric(occult) order built on the occultism of the ancient past which was/is concealed from the average man, provides insight into nature, the physical universe, and the spiritual realm. The occult focuses on astrology, alchemy, and natural magic(?). Rosicrucianism is specifically based on the Jewish Kabbalah, Hermeticism, alchemy, and mystical Christianity. Mystical Christianity? Christian mysticism refers to the development of mystical practices and theory within Christianity. It has often been connected to mystical theology, especially in the Roman Catholic and Orthodox Christianity (both the Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox traditions). “Mysticism" is derived from the Greek μυω, meaning "to conceal", and its derivative μυστικός, mystikos, meaning 'an initiate'. In the Hellenistic world, a "mystikos" was an initiate of a mystery religion. "Mystical" referred to secret religious rituals and use of the word lacked any direct references to the transcendental. In early Christianity the term mystikos referred to three dimensions, which soon became intertwined, namely the biblical, the liturgical and the spiritual or contemplative. The biblical dimension refers to "hidden" or allegorical interpretations of Scriptures. “"hidden" or allegorical interpretations of Scriptures.”? The Bible isn’t a picture book, and there isn’t anything “hidden” about the Bible. God did not hide His word from us. Going by this information we can conclude that orthodoxy is nothing more than a mystery religion. A mystery religion is any religion with an arcanum, or secret wisdom. In a mystery religion, an inner core of beliefs, practices, and the religion's true nature, are revealed only to those who have been initiated into its secrets. Ancient mystery religions of the eastern Mediterranean, for example, generally focused on mythic figures who had descended into Hades and returned or who otherwise exemplified death and rebirth, such as Bacchus, Orpheus, Osiris, and Tammuz. In other words, a mystery religion is a pagan religion. Therefore, orthodoxy is a pagan mystery religion with occult aspirations. Paganism took over the Orthodox Church? The connection between the pre-Christian pagan doctrine of deification and icon/relic worship in Eastern Orthodoxy is obvious. When the pagans took over the Orthodox Church, they brought their belief in apotheosis and their worship of icons/relics with them. The icon worship practiced today in every Orthodox Church was originally practiced by pagans since before the first coming of Christ. Feel free to post any additional information you come across.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jun 22, 2018 22:00:45 GMT
I must disagree with a banning of Diamond - for why? It's not fair! DKTrav88 (A Hello from Diamond): You've already proved how you believe in Bible, and you wish to trust your sinner mind, and not to trust on the experience of the Church. Besides, all the signs that you've posted do not belong to the Orthodoxy. Tell diamond that I thank him for sharing his opinions. And tell him I wish him a good day
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2018 22:28:53 GMT
I must disagree with a banning of Diamond - for why? It's not fair! DKTrav88 (A Hello from Diamond): You've already proved how you believe in Bible, and you wish to trust your sinner mind, and not to trust on the experience of the Church. Besides, all the signs that you've posted do not belong to the Orthodoxy. Tell diamond that I thank him for sharing his opinions. And tell him I wish him a good day ...Honestly, I do not understand all your both war with each other. Recently, I was told that my friend died a half year ago. I didn't know it. And reading about your debating I can't tell nothing good, because there's no good in such debates. I think that Christ was right, when He told that we must hurry do good things. I don't think that we have much time for do something good in our life. Peace.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jun 22, 2018 23:30:47 GMT
Tell diamond that I thank him for sharing his opinions. And tell him I wish him a good day ...Honestly, I do not understand all your both war with each other. Recently, I was told that my friend died a half year ago. I didn't know it. And reading about your debating I can't tell nothing good, because there's no good in such debates. I think that Christ was right, when He told that we must hurry do good things. I don't think that we have much time for do something good in our life. Peace. I’m sorry to hear your friend died 😞 I’ve never suffered the loss of a friend myself. I think I’ve said it before; when you see someone is wrong and doing the wrong thing and they don’t know it, are you going to watch them be wrong? Or are you going to tell them they are wrong and correct them? If you love that person, you will tell them they are wrong and correct them. If you don’t love them, you’ll just watch them be wrong and not tell them anything. Isn’t this a good thing? I don’t like debating. I like discussing. If we have a disagreement then we can either discuss it further or agree to disagree and move on. I typically, if we cannot come to an agreement, want to agree to disagree, but it has to be mutual. If the other person holds contention because they disagree with me, what can I do? I can do many things, so what should I do? I should thank them for their opinion and wish them a nice day 😊 I cannot make them like me or my opinion and I’m not going to compromise my beliefs just so they can be at peace; if we all did that, there would be no individualism, no free will or free choice or free thought, because we would all be too worried about offending someone else.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 3:02:47 GMT
HITTITE and Cross? As far as I know, HITTITES battled against egypt, and they were central asian people, of luwian speaking language, who arrived from pontic caspian steppe. In fact, hittites mythologies are more closer to the vedic aryans Though drawing on ancient Mesopotamian religion, the religion of the Hittites and Luwians retains noticeable elements of reconstructed Proto-Indo-European religion. For example, Tarhunt, the god of thunder and his conflict with the serpent Illuyanka resembles the conflict between Indra and the cosmic serpent Vritra in Vedic mythology, or Thor and the serpent Jörmungandr in Norse mythology. This myth also bears a resemblance to the daily struggle between Re and the serpent Apophis in Egyptian mythology.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 3:03:50 GMT
//The occult focuses on astrology, alchemy, and natural magic(?). Rosicrucianism is specifically based on the Jewish Kabbalah, Hermeticism, alchemy, and mystical Christianity.//
I agree with you on this, occultism is mostly from babylonian or syrian culture, and is from the jewish kabbalah. The book of abramelin specifically deals with these.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 3:09:56 GMT
In the BIBLE, the LORD GOD said
Let there be light: and there was light.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jun 23, 2018 5:38:01 GMT
//The occult focuses on astrology, alchemy, and natural magic(?). Rosicrucianism is specifically based on the Jewish Kabbalah, Hermeticism, alchemy, and mystical Christianity.//I agree with you on this, occultism is mostly from babylonian or syrian culture, and is from the jewish kabbalah. The book of abramelin specifically deals with these. What is the book of abramelin?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 6:59:43 GMT
//The occult focuses on astrology, alchemy, and natural magic(?). Rosicrucianism is specifically based on the Jewish Kabbalah, Hermeticism, alchemy, and mystical Christianity.//I agree with you on this, occultism is mostly from babylonian or syrian culture, and is from the jewish kabbalah. The book of abramelin specifically deals with these. What is the book of abramelin? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Book_of_AbramelinThe Book of Abramelin tells the story of an Egyptian mage named Abraham pronunciation: (ɛ́jbrəham), or Abra-Melin, who taught a system of magic to Abraham of Worms, a Jew in Worms, Germany,[1][2][3] presumed to have lived from c.1362–c.1458.[4] The system of magic from this book regained popularity in the 19th and 20th centuries partly due to Samuel Liddell MacGregor Mathers' translation, The Book of the Sacred Magic of Abramelin the Mage; and partly to its importance within the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, and later within the mystical system of Thelema (created in 1904 by Aleister Crowley). Mathers used the least-reliable manuscript copy as the basis for his translation, and it contains many errors and omissions. The later English translation by Georg Dehn and Steven Guth, based on the earliest and most complete sources, is more scholarly and comprehensive. Dehn attributed authorship of The Book of Abramelin to Rabbi Yaakov Moelin (Hebrew יעקב בן משה מולין; ca. 1365–1427), a German Jewish Talmudist. This identification has since been disputed.[5
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Post by jonbain on Jun 23, 2018 10:59:16 GMT
and miracles are mysteries - let me show what I mean about the loaves. Many people gather, but nobody has any food? How likely is that? More likely is that nobody wanted to be the first to eat because others would then begin to join in their meal even though they had food of their own. After all it would be impolite to eat without offering. But only a small boy had the selflessness to offer the little he had for the others to share - even if it meant he only got a small amount for himself. Of course, once he did so, others felt ashamed, and also contributed their concealed food. In the end, there was more than enough for everyone anyway. The lesson is one about greed and selfishness and honesty from those who have little. Those who have much have much to lose, and much to fear. Those who have least have little to lose, and thus they often have more integrity. Sure miracles are mysteries, but the part you quoted from my OP was talking about “hidden” interpretations. Sure, there are two ways to use that word/concept. And you are correct too, because its not for the part of people to hide and conceal - that is God's role. Christ warns against 'magicians' - those who use use deception to claim 'special' powers or exclusive rights to information. In this sense, the 'esoteric' is certainly against Christian teaching of honesty. But for myself, the term 'mystic' is methodical in that we will always be somewhat mystified by the Universe, and we MUST recognize that aspect of the limits on our understanding. In this sense, 'esoteric' science is the real deceiver, for example genetic theory which is based on the claim of consciousness being a product of inanimate random atoms. And if one challenges this blatant lie one is typically labelled as being not privy to that esoteric 'cleverness' - a fake claim to complete understanding. The reality is that there is no science of explaining consciousness. It is certainly a deep mystery which is best understood as a fundamental difference between mind and body. The philosophers who realize the mind-body problem are placing the mystery in an honest context.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 12:47:05 GMT
This thread should have been
OCCULTISM AND MYSTICISM in Christianity is TALMUDIC.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 15:19:16 GMT
Oh my fucking god, everyone except Dktrav88 worships Satan?! Or Pagan gods? Damn, Dktrav will have a lot of space in paradise! PS. According to the Jews and Muslims everyone who believes in the Trinity is a polytheist! ....we are all going to hell because God alone granted DK the ability to interpret scripture...I want to see if he can produce a miracle. "If you have faith the size of a mustard seed than say to the mountain move and it will move..." If Dk really believes in what he is saying, considering he trusts in scripture alone, then he should be able to do a miracle.... .
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 15:21:46 GMT
MEGA Romeo 2:38 "No shit Sherlock" John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. You mean the same love you show towards the Catholics and other's you say are going to hell?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 15:22:44 GMT
there isn’t anything “hidden” about the Bible. God did not hide His word from us. Proverbs 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a matter; to search out a matter is the glory of kings.How many times you read that there Bible o' yours sonny? Dk thinks he is a King....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 15:25:39 GMT
Tell diamond that I thank him for sharing his opinions. And tell him I wish him a good day ...Honestly, I do not understand all your both war with each other. Recently, I was told that my friend died a half year ago. I didn't know it. And reading about your debating I can't tell nothing good, because there's no good in such debates. I think that Christ was right, when He told that we must hurry do good things. I don't think that we have much time for do something good in our life. Peace. The summation of the argument is this: Dk thinks everyone but a specfic few are going to hell, other religions Catholicism/Orthodoxy argue that God is not limited to who he can show his mercy too. It is a question of God's omnipotent love more than anything.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 15:31:09 GMT
...Honestly, I do not understand all your both war with each other. Recently, I was told that my friend died a half year ago. I didn't know it. And reading about your debating I can't tell nothing good, because there's no good in such debates. I think that Christ was right, when He told that we must hurry do good things. I don't think that we have much time for do something good in our life. Peace. The summation of the argument is this: Dk thinks everyone but a specfic few are going to hell, other religions Catholicism/Orthodoxy argue that God is not limited to who he can show his mercy too. It is a question of God's omnipotent love more than anything. Basically everyone who lived before the Reformation ends up in Hell. Looks like God doesn't like Medieval folks.
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