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Post by DKTrav88 on Jun 22, 2018 10:09:04 GMT
This symbol is used in occult freemasonry, As seen here, Why is it used in the orthodox churches? A little info about this symbol; it represents the all-seeing eye of the Great Architect of the Universe. It is used within Freemasonry to represent the deity neutrally (in whatever form, and by whatever name each member may individually believe in). It is a Rosicrucian conception of God; what is Rosicrucianism? It is an esoteric(occult) order built on the occultism of the ancient past which was/is concealed from the average man, provides insight into nature, the physical universe, and the spiritual realm. The occult focuses on astrology, alchemy, and natural magic(?). Rosicrucianism is specifically based on the Jewish Kabbalah, Hermeticism, alchemy, and mystical Christianity. Mystical Christianity? Christian mysticism refers to the development of mystical practices and theory within Christianity. It has often been connected to mystical theology, especially in the Roman Catholic and Orthodox Christianity (both the Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox traditions). “Mysticism" is derived from the Greek μυω, meaning "to conceal", and its derivative μυστικός, mystikos, meaning 'an initiate'. In the Hellenistic world, a "mystikos" was an initiate of a mystery religion. "Mystical" referred to secret religious rituals and use of the word lacked any direct references to the transcendental. In early Christianity the term mystikos referred to three dimensions, which soon became intertwined, namely the biblical, the liturgical and the spiritual or contemplative. The biblical dimension refers to "hidden" or allegorical interpretations of Scriptures. “"hidden" or allegorical interpretations of Scriptures.”? The Bible isn’t a picture book, and there isn’t anything “hidden” about the Bible. God did not hide His word from us. Going by this information we can conclude that orthodoxy is nothing more than a mystery religion. A mystery religion is any religion with an arcanum, or secret wisdom. In a mystery religion, an inner core of beliefs, practices, and the religion's true nature, are revealed only to those who have been initiated into its secrets. Ancient mystery religions of the eastern Mediterranean, for example, generally focused on mythic figures who had descended into Hades and returned or who otherwise exemplified death and rebirth, such as Bacchus, Orpheus, Osiris, and Tammuz. In other words, a mystery religion is a pagan religion. Therefore, orthodoxy is a pagan mystery religion with occult aspirations. Paganism took over the Orthodox Church? The connection between the pre-Christian pagan doctrine of deification and icon/relic worship in Eastern Orthodoxy is obvious. When the pagans took over the Orthodox Church, they brought their belief in apotheosis and their worship of icons/relics with them. The icon worship practiced today in every Orthodox Church was originally practiced by pagans since before the first coming of Christ. Feel free to post any additional information you come across.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2018 20:36:29 GMT
To me you can even believe in the patterns on the toilet paper, I don't give a fuck. But when you start to attack other religions, expect response and don't hide like a pussy behind "I just believe in the Bible". I expect response After this I know you may believe in the Bible, but you don't follow it. Have a good day or night, I'm not going to continue.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jun 22, 2018 20:45:43 GMT
I expect response After this I know you may believe in the Bible, but you don't follow it. Have a good day or night, I'm not going to continue. Thank you for sharing your opinion. You have a good day as well
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Post by jonbain on Jun 22, 2018 21:04:04 GMT
there isn’t anything “hidden” about the Bible. God did not hide His word from us. Proverbs 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a matter; to search out a matter is the glory of kings.How many times you read that there Bible o' yours sonny?
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jun 22, 2018 21:08:03 GMT
there isn’t anything “hidden” about the Bible. God did not hide His word from us. Proverbs 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a matter; to search out a matter is the glory of kings.How many times you read that there Bible o' yours sonny? The Bible is a matter? The Bible is concealed? I can see this clear as day shrug
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Post by jonbain on Jun 22, 2018 21:20:19 GMT
Proverbs 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a matter; to search out a matter is the glory of kings.How many times you read that there Bible o' yours sonny? The Bible is a matter? The Bible is concealed? There is plenty of concealed info in the Bible. Take the walking on water incident for example. After that, it is said in Mark 6:52 Their minds were closed, and they could not understand the true meaning of the loaves of bread. So those who do not understand the matter of the loaves of bread, also do not understand the walking on water. The first idea is clear to me, but the second? My mind is only half open. Open enough, though to know that mysticism is all about the humble honesty to be able to openly claim that which we do not know. It is mysterious to us, and much always will be. Unlike the Sadducees and such, who pretend to 'understand' when all they do is reherse illogical jargon and call it 'knowledge'.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jun 22, 2018 21:24:55 GMT
The Bible is a matter? The Bible is concealed? There is plenty of concealed info in the Bible. Take the walking on water incident for example. After that, it is said in Mark 6:52 Their minds were closed, and they could not understand the true meaning of the loaves of bread. So those who do not understand the matter of the loaves of bread, also do not understand the walking on water. The first idea is clear to me, but the second? My mind is only half open. Open enough, though to know that mysticism is all about the humble honesty to be able to openly claim that which we do not know. It is mysterious to us, and much always will be. Unlike the Sadducees and such, who pretend to 'understand' when all they do is reherse illogical jargon and call it 'knowledge'. They were both a miracle. Mark 6:52 KJV [52] For they considered not the miracle of the loaves: for their heart was hardened. Miracles are the work of God.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2018 21:30:46 GMT
No, it's definitely not pagan. There's Bible and the Traditions.
There's something of what the Orthodox is afraid of - it's possibility of heretics. Look, in those first times of Christianity were more heretic cults, and it wasn't easy to control it; plus, there was no good situation with Scriptures. If you take a look on those times, you will understand me better.
So, the Orthodox started using Dogmas. There was Credo - a two-parted central song which had a meaning of very fundamental origins.
The Traditions is something that has been helping to keep away all heretic moods then.
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Post by jonbain on Jun 22, 2018 21:32:08 GMT
There is plenty of concealed info in the Bible. Take the walking on water incident for example. After that, it is said in Mark 6:52 Their minds were closed, and they could not understand the true meaning of the loaves of bread. So those who do not understand the matter of the loaves of bread, also do not understand the walking on water. The first idea is clear to me, but the second? My mind is only half open. Open enough, though to know that mysticism is all about the humble honesty to be able to openly claim that which we do not know. It is mysterious to us, and much always will be. Unlike the Sadducees and such, who pretend to 'understand' when all they do is reherse illogical jargon and call it 'knowledge'. They were both a miracle. Mark 6:52 KJV [52] For they considered not the miracle of the loaves: for their heart was hardened. Miracles are the work of God. and miracles are mysteries - let me show what I mean about the loaves. Many people gather, but nobody has any food? How likely is that? More likely is that nobody wanted to be the first to eat because others would then begin to join in their meal even though they had food of their own. After all it would be impolite to eat without offering. But only a small boy had the selflessness to offer the little he had for the others to share - even if it meant he only got a small amount for himself. Of course, once he did so, others felt ashamed, and also contributed their concealed food. In the end, there was more than enough for everyone anyway. The lesson is one about greed and selfishness and honesty from those who have little. Those who have much have much to lose, and much to fear. Those who have least have little to lose, and thus they often have more integrity.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jun 22, 2018 21:35:32 GMT
No, it's definitely not pagan. There's Bible and the Traditions. There's something of what the Orthodox is afraid of - it's possibility of heretics. Look, in those first times of Christianity were more heretic cults, and it wasn't easy to control it; plus, there was no good situation with Scriptures. If you take a look on those times, you will understand me better. So, the Orthodox started using Dogmas. There was Credo - a two-parted central song which had a meaning of very fundamental origins. The Traditions is something that has been helping to keep away all heretic moods then. I would say the traditions themselves come from paganism. Praying to idols is paganism after all shrug
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2018 21:37:06 GMT
Take for example this feature:
Let's I take John 6:66 (NIV) "From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him".
We can say: "Hey, there's a mason symbol, and the beast number!". But I would not be true. But you understand it, the heretics has not understand it then. Even if you had presented some verses distinctively, it wouldn't be obvious, because we could change it on what we wanted to be.
The version of Bible hasn't appeared as it is now. There were a long period for building it completely.
Lately, since Guttenberg invention people had started to use books. This fact - about changing their attention to texts starting from the period you can find from Marshal Macluen, and Erasmus from Rotterdam...
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jun 22, 2018 21:39:04 GMT
They were both a miracle. Mark 6:52 KJV [52] For they considered not the miracle of the loaves: for their heart was hardened. Miracles are the work of God. and miracles are mysteries - let me show what I mean about the loaves. Many people gather, but nobody has any food? How likely is that? More likely is that nobody wanted to be the first to eat because others would then begin to join in their meal even though they had food of their own. After all it would be impolite to eat without offering. But only a small boy had the selflessness to offer the little he had for the others to share - even if it meant he only got a small amount for himself. Of course, once he did so, others felt ashamed, and also contributed their concealed food. In the end, there was more than enough for everyone anyway. The lesson is one about greed and selfishness and honesty from those who have little. Those who have much have much to lose, and much to fear. Those who have least have little to lose, and thus they often have more integrity. Sure miracles are mysteries, but the part you quoted from my OP was talking about “hidden” interpretations.
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Post by Elizabeth on Jun 22, 2018 21:43:15 GMT
No, it's definitely not pagan. There's Bible and the Traditions. There's something of what the Orthodox is afraid of - it's possibility of heretics. Look, in those first times of Christianity were more heretic cults, and it wasn't easy to control it; plus, there was no good situation with Scriptures. If you take a look on those times, you will understand me better. So, the Orthodox started using Dogmas. There was Credo - a two-parted central song which had a meaning of very fundamental origins. The Traditions is something that has been helping to keep away all heretic moods then. I would say the traditions themselves come from paganism. Praying to idols is paganism after all shrug I personally always loved the story where God came to the rescue and burned the idol worshippers and had them eaten by lions in Daniel. Best ending ever!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2018 21:46:02 GMT
No, it's definitely not pagan. There's Bible and the Traditions. There's something of what the Orthodox is afraid of - it's possibility of heretics. Look, in those first times of Christianity were more heretic cults, and it wasn't easy to control it; plus, there was no good situation with Scriptures. If you take a look on those times, you will understand me better. So, the Orthodox started using Dogmas. There was Credo - a two-parted central song which had a meaning of very fundamental origins. The Traditions is something that has been helping to keep away all heretic moods then. I would say the traditions themselves come from paganism. Praying to idols is paganism after all You could be right, thinking that any traditions came from paganism, because anything came from it - this is a historical fact. In schools we're taught that firstly there were plain believing like animalism, or animism, and lately there appeared personal-centered religions. Surely, you can. But it's not the same - to blame the Orthodoxy of accenting on the Traditions, and claiming that traditions come from paganism. I can make you guarantee that there's no original set between paganism and Orthodoxy. But - pagan elements really were in Orthodox local churches. For example, "A Message to Believers" from Old ones from Pechersky (it's a monastery in Kiev, that has been founded around a thousand years ago) tells us that monks have been blaming many neofits, and christians in their using of paganism along with traditional Church attributes. So, yes, sometimes pagan elements can be intruded to the Church, but against these elements there is constantly a fight between priests and common believers (the Orthodox followers).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2018 21:51:42 GMT
I must disagree with a banning of Diamond - for why? It's not fair! DKTrav88 (A Hello from Diamond): You've already proved how you believe in Bible, and you wish to trust your sinner mind, and not to trust on the experience of the Church. Besides, all the signs that you've posted do not belong to the Orthodoxy.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2018 21:55:59 GMT
I would say the traditions themselves come from paganism. Praying to idols is paganism after all I personally always loved the story where God came to the rescue and burned the idol worshippers and had them eaten by lions in Daniel. Best ending ever! I want to add that those times have been more hardly to attache everything simply as now. Many neofits were Greeks with their past. Also, there were many Syrians, Egyptians, and North countries. Each of them firstly was trying to add something theirs; have you heard about those story of the Apostle Mark in Egypt? Mark made a priest name 'Mark' there. But they started to use their common rituals. Mark was fighting with those phenomena all his life.
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