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Post by DKTrav88 on Jun 12, 2018 3:20:07 GMT
A side by side comparison of Roman Catholic teachings and Biblical doctrine. Roman Catholic Teachings
1)The bishops, with the pope as their head, rule the universal Church.
2)God has entrusted revelation to the bishops.
3)The pope is infallible in his teaching.
4)Scripture and Tradition together are the Word of God.
5)Mary is the co-redeemer, for she participated with Christ in the painful act of redemption.
6)Mary is the co-mediator, to whom we can entrust all our cares and petitions.
7)Initial justification is by means of baptism.
8)Adults must prepare for justification through faith and good works.
9)Grace is merited by good works.
10)Salvation is attained by cooperating with grace through faith, good works, and participation in the sacraments.
11)No one can know if he will attain to eternal life.
12)The Roman Catholic Church is necessary for salvation.
13)Christ's body and blood exist wholly and entirely in every fragment of consecrated bread and wine in every Roman Catholic church around the world.
14)The sacrifice of the cross is perpetuated in the sacrifice of the Mass.
15)Each sacrifice of the Mass appeases God's wrath against sin.
16)The sacrificial work of redemption is continually carried out through the sacrifice of the Mass.
| Biblical Doctrine
1)Christ, the head of the body, rules the universal church (Colossians 1:18).
2)God has entrusted revelation to the saints (Jude 3).
3)God alone is infallible (Numbers 23:19; Acts 17:11).
4)Scripture alone is the Word of God (John 10:35; 2 Timothy 3:16,17; 2 Peter 1:20,21; Mark 7:1-13).
5)Christ alone is the Redeemer, for He alone suffered and died for sin (1 Peter 1:18,19).
6)Christ Jesus is the one mediator to whom we can entrust all our cares and petitions (1 Timothy 2:5; John 14:13,14; 1 Peter 5:7).
7)Justification is by faith alone (Romans 3:28).
8)God justifies ungodly sinners who believe (Romans 4:5). Good works are the result of salvation, not the cause (Ephesians 2:8-10).
9)Grace is a free gift (Romans 11:6).
10)Salvation is attained by grace through faith apart from works (Ephesians 2:10).
11)The believer can know that he has eternal life by the Word of God and the testimony of the Holy Spirit who indwells believers (1 John 5:13; Romans 8:16).
12)There is salvation in no one but the Lord Jesus Christ, “for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12).
13)The bread and wine are symbols of the body and blood of Christ, and He is bodily present in heaven (1 Corinthians 11:23-25; Hebrews 10:12,13).
14)The sacrifice of the cross is finished (John 19:30).
15)The once-for-all sacrifice of the cross fully appeased God's wrath against sin (Hebrews 10:12-18).
16)The sacrificial work of redemption was finished when Christ gave His life for us on the cross (Ephesians 1:7; Hebrews 1:3). |
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Post by MEGA on Jun 14, 2018 22:16:28 GMT
Matthew 13 King James Version (KJV)
13 The same day went Jesus out of the house, and sat by the sea side.
2 And great multitudes were gathered together unto him, so that he went into a ship, and sat; and the whole multitude stood on the shore.
3 And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow;
4 And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:
5 Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:
6 And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.
7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:
8 But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.
9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
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Post by MEGA on Jun 14, 2018 22:33:27 GMT
Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
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Post by MEGA on Jun 14, 2018 22:35:48 GMT
Matthew 18:20 (KJV) For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
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Post by Elizabeth on Jun 14, 2018 22:58:29 GMT
Matthew 18:20 (KJV) For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them. Sounds like His real church. Wherever they may be whether in a random building or another country preaching they are gathered in His name and belong to Him because are His sheep and hear His voice always
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jun 14, 2018 23:08:14 GMT
Matthew 18:20 (KJV) For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them. Sounds like His real church. Wherever they may be whether in a random building or another country preaching they are gathered in His name and belong to Him because are His sheep and hear His voice always Psalm 95:7 For he is our God; and we are the people of his pasture, and the sheep of his hand.
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Post by MEGA on Jun 14, 2018 23:28:55 GMT
Daniel 7:18 (KJV)
But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.
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Post by MEGA on Jun 14, 2018 23:33:01 GMT
Sounds like His real church. Wherever they may be whether in a random building or another country preaching they are gathered in His name and belong to Him because are His sheep and hear His voice always Psalm 95:7 For he is our God; and we are the people of his pasture, and the sheep of his hand. John 10:11 - I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
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Post by MEGA on Jun 14, 2018 23:57:06 GMT
Matthew 19:28 (KJV) And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel
Matthew 24:35
“Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.”
Revelation 21:5 King James Version (KJV) And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Revelation 21 King James Version (KJV) 21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. 5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. 6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. 7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. 9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife. 10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, 11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal; 12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel: 13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates. 14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. 15 And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof. 16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal. 17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel. 18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass. 19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald; 20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolyte; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst. 21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls: every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass. 22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. 23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. 24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. 25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there. 26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it. 27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
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Post by MEGA on Jun 15, 2018 2:25:01 GMT
Romans 10:9 - That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
1 Thessalonians 5:2 - For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
Matthew 24:42 - Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
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Post by MEGA on Jun 15, 2018 2:29:26 GMT
Matthew 9:37 “Then saith he unto his disciples, The harvest truly is plenteous, but the labourers are few”
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2018 14:08:11 GMT
You said only a few out of all denomination will go to heaven. However all in some denominations will go to hell. This is where your logic contradicts. I said only a few will go to heaven because only a few follow just Him for real. It's God's words, not mine. So Catholics can go to heaven?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2018 14:17:44 GMT
So are all (dead) catholics/orthodox in hell? They don't fit the few profile Jesus said. So...it's a good guess. And like the Pharisees and Sadducees they all put tradition on a high pedestal. Tear it down and burn it! But they won't. Did you know the only Pharisee that I recall that separated from the big group that put traditions so high in their church was Paul? Paul stopped being a Pharisee follower because they were wrong and when he realized it he called himself a major sinner for going after the innocent when it was him who was wrong. He was part of a few now. God's followers were a small group then and now. Dktrav88 abandoned catholism too since he realized the big group preached tradition over God's commandments only. The rest are blind Jesus said and Pharisees were corrected time and time again and they still believed they'd go to heaven but they didn't go to heaven. It was tradition that sent them to hell, Jesus said. Eodnhoj7 open your eyes at the dangers of having tradition. God only wants His commandments followed not anything extra. That's why Jesus said many will try to enter heaven but won't! He's only taking a few. That's a warning God gave for people to wake up. Paul woke up and he's just one from Pharisees that I saw. One! How few is that? Tiny! How do you not see it? I'm astonished. Elizabeth open your eyes at the dangers of selectively interpreting scripture. 2 Peter 1:20-21 ESV Knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone's own interpretation. For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit. 2 Timothy 3:16 ESV All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 2 Timothy 3:16-17 ESV All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work. 1 Timothy 1:1-20 ESV / Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by command of God our Savior and of Christ Jesus our hope, To Timothy, my true child in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord. As I urged you when I was going to Macedonia, remain at Ephesus so that you may charge certain persons not to teach any different doctrine, nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies, which promote speculations rather than the stewardship from God that is by faith. The aim of our charge is love that issues from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. ... Only following scripture: 2 Thessalonians 2:15 ESV So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter. 1 Corinthians 11:2 ESV Now I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I delivered them to you. 2 Thessalonians 2:14-15 ESV To this he called you through our gospel, so that you may obtain the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter. 1 Corinthians 11:1-2 ESV Be imitators of me, as I am of Christ. Now I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I delivered them to you. 2 Thessalonians 3:6 ESV Now we command you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from any brother who is walking in idleness and not in accord with the tradition that you received from us.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2018 14:21:05 GMT
Ow... It is so interesting and wonderful, to read all these 'sending to hell'. I wonder if people are so naughty about who goes to heaven, and who goes to hell, why not to use it like a business idea? Just open a shop with a tag 'Your Afterlife Adventures', and sell the promises of this. Determining process will be accept by the Christ's words; so, in the arguing case, there's always a method to avoid spare troubles by pointing this to the Bible, saying: "This promises were given by God, not of us". Anyway, there should not be any troubles, because we still don't know any cases of afterlife true stories. So, it's 100% good business. Just open it and sell the promises. The summation of the argument is as follows: 1) Protestants claim all non-christians are going to hell because of a sola-scriptura approach. 2) Catholicism claims is its possible for all to go to heaven, even percieved "athiests", under a tradition/scriptural approach. 3) Which faith embraces the fullness of Christian Mercy?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2018 14:23:58 GMT
I said only a few will go to heaven because only a few follow just Him for real. It's God's words, not mine. Revelation 17:14 (KJV) These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. Luke 12:32 (KJV) Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom. You have not answered the thread question yet....
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Post by Elizabeth on Jun 15, 2018 18:58:24 GMT
I said only a few will go to heaven because only a few follow just Him for real. It's God's words, not mine. So Catholics can go to heaven? Extremely unlikely based on Christ's words. They match Christ's drscription of Pharisees and Sadducees by 100%. Even down to actions and dress. Scary resemblance. Catholics should try to change that but they seem to want to match it as perfectly as possible. Rather dumb I'd say Shrug
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