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Post by DKTrav88 on Jun 12, 2018 3:20:07 GMT
A side by side comparison of Roman Catholic teachings and Biblical doctrine. Roman Catholic Teachings
1)The bishops, with the pope as their head, rule the universal Church.
2)God has entrusted revelation to the bishops.
3)The pope is infallible in his teaching.
4)Scripture and Tradition together are the Word of God.
5)Mary is the co-redeemer, for she participated with Christ in the painful act of redemption.
6)Mary is the co-mediator, to whom we can entrust all our cares and petitions.
7)Initial justification is by means of baptism.
8)Adults must prepare for justification through faith and good works.
9)Grace is merited by good works.
10)Salvation is attained by cooperating with grace through faith, good works, and participation in the sacraments.
11)No one can know if he will attain to eternal life.
12)The Roman Catholic Church is necessary for salvation.
13)Christ's body and blood exist wholly and entirely in every fragment of consecrated bread and wine in every Roman Catholic church around the world.
14)The sacrifice of the cross is perpetuated in the sacrifice of the Mass.
15)Each sacrifice of the Mass appeases God's wrath against sin.
16)The sacrificial work of redemption is continually carried out through the sacrifice of the Mass.
| Biblical Doctrine
1)Christ, the head of the body, rules the universal church (Colossians 1:18).
2)God has entrusted revelation to the saints (Jude 3).
3)God alone is infallible (Numbers 23:19; Acts 17:11).
4)Scripture alone is the Word of God (John 10:35; 2 Timothy 3:16,17; 2 Peter 1:20,21; Mark 7:1-13).
5)Christ alone is the Redeemer, for He alone suffered and died for sin (1 Peter 1:18,19).
6)Christ Jesus is the one mediator to whom we can entrust all our cares and petitions (1 Timothy 2:5; John 14:13,14; 1 Peter 5:7).
7)Justification is by faith alone (Romans 3:28).
8)God justifies ungodly sinners who believe (Romans 4:5). Good works are the result of salvation, not the cause (Ephesians 2:8-10).
9)Grace is a free gift (Romans 11:6).
10)Salvation is attained by grace through faith apart from works (Ephesians 2:10).
11)The believer can know that he has eternal life by the Word of God and the testimony of the Holy Spirit who indwells believers (1 John 5:13; Romans 8:16).
12)There is salvation in no one but the Lord Jesus Christ, “for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12).
13)The bread and wine are symbols of the body and blood of Christ, and He is bodily present in heaven (1 Corinthians 11:23-25; Hebrews 10:12,13).
14)The sacrifice of the cross is finished (John 19:30).
15)The once-for-all sacrifice of the cross fully appeased God's wrath against sin (Hebrews 10:12-18).
16)The sacrificial work of redemption was finished when Christ gave His life for us on the cross (Ephesians 1:7; Hebrews 1:3). |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 16:13:55 GMT
Then don't say Catholics are in hell if it does not say directly so in scripture. Judge a tree by its fruits? It appears as if you are saying, if not implying, only you and a select few are going to heaven where everyone else is going to hell. How is that not the ultimate form of judgement? Did I say Catholics are in hell? Though, it wouldn’t surprise me at all if there were. I don’t know for sure who is saved and who isn’t, only God does, I can only use scripture as a reference to figure out who is and who isn’t, but I will never know for sure is many cases, I don’t have the book of life from revelations sitting in front of me nor do I have access to it. YOU said “judge a tree by its fruits”, not I. I was quoting you. “It appears”, that’s because you’re either not reading the scriptures or you don’t understand them. I know that I am saved, not that you have to believe me, I don’t care if you do or not, but the scriptures do say, Matthew 7:13-14 KJV [13] Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: [14] Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Luke 13:23-24 KJV [23] Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, [24] Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. Does this not say there are few that will go to heaven? “are there few that are saved?” “wide is the gate, broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and MANY there be which go thereat” “strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth to life, and FEW there be which find it.” Could not be more clear in what it says(I didn’t write it). You claimed all the Pharisees and Sadducees were in hell, and all Catholics are Pharisees and Sadducees; hence all Catholics (dead) are in hell.
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Post by Elizabeth on Jun 14, 2018 17:45:08 GMT
No. His sheep must actually choose Him. You think if the Pharisees shrunk God will choose them? No, God said they don't follow Him and they only think they do. Many think they follow Him but they don't. That's wht God rejected them. Yes, big group but the big group didn't follow Him. They said their tradition is right and biblical and God said no it wasn't. You said only a few out of all denomination will go to heaven. However all in some denominations will go to hell. This is where your logic contradicts. I said only a few will go to heaven because only a few follow just Him for real. It's God's words, not mine.
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Post by Elizabeth on Jun 14, 2018 18:01:52 GMT
Continuation Luke 13:23-27 23 Then one said to Him, “Lord, are there few who are saved?” And He said to them, 24 “ Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able.So many are trying to enter heaven but won't. So are all (dead) catholics/orthodox in hell? They don't fit the few profile Jesus said. So...it's a good guess. And like the Pharisees and Sadducees they all put tradition on a high pedestal. Tear it down and burn it! But they won't. Did you know the only Pharisee that I recall that separated from the big group that put traditions so high in their church was Paul? Paul stopped being a Pharisee follower because they were wrong and when he realized it he called himself a major sinner for going after the innocent when it was him who was wrong. He was part of a few now. God's followers were a small group then and now. Dktrav88 abandoned catholism too since he realized the big group preached tradition over God's commandments only. The rest are blind Jesus said and Pharisees were corrected time and time again and they still believed they'd go to heaven but they didn't go to heaven. It was tradition that sent them to hell, Jesus said. Eodnhoj7 open your eyes at the dangers of having tradition. God only wants His commandments followed not anything extra. That's why Jesus said many will try to enter heaven but won't! He's only taking a few. That's a warning God gave for people to wake up. Paul woke up and he's just one from Pharisees that I saw. One! How few is that? Tiny! How do you not see it? I'm astonished.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Jun 14, 2018 18:51:52 GMT
Did I say Catholics are in hell? Though, it wouldn’t surprise me at all if there were. I don’t know for sure who is saved and who isn’t, only God does, I can only use scripture as a reference to figure out who is and who isn’t, but I will never know for sure is many cases, I don’t have the book of life from revelations sitting in front of me nor do I have access to it. YOU said “judge a tree by its fruits”, not I. I was quoting you. “It appears”, that’s because you’re either not reading the scriptures or you don’t understand them. I know that I am saved, not that you have to believe me, I don’t care if you do or not, but the scriptures do say, Matthew 7:13-14 KJV [13] Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: [14] Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Luke 13:23-24 KJV [23] Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, [24] Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. Does this not say there are few that will go to heaven? “are there few that are saved?” “wide is the gate, broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and MANY there be which go thereat” “strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth to life, and FEW there be which find it.” Could not be more clear in what it says(I didn’t write it). You claimed all the Pharisees and Sadducees were in hell, and all Catholics are Pharisees and Sadducees; hence all Catholics (dead) are in hell. I said that? Hmm, I don’t recall, but it wouldn’t surprise me at all if a huge majority of them are in hell. Paul was a Pharisee, but he repented and turned to Christ. Nicodemus I think also repented, and maybe few others that aren’t named in the Bible, it could not be said for sure. John 19:39 KJV [39] And there came also Nicodemus, which at the first came to Jesus by night, and brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about an hundred pound weight . This verse doesn’t say he repented, but you have to think why would he come to Jesus’s body with myrrh and aloes? None of the other Pharisees did this and Nicodemus never mocked or scoffed at Jesus. What the Pharisees taught was contrary to God. If you followed the Pharisees were you going to hell if you didn’t repent and turn to Christ. If you were a Pharisee that didn’t repent you were going to hell, Jesus told them they would “receive the greater damnation” and asked them how they could “escape the damnation of hell”.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 18:51:53 GMT
Ow... It is so interesting and wonderful, to read all these 'sending to hell'.
I wonder if people are so naughty about who goes to heaven, and who goes to hell, why not to use it like a business idea? Just open a shop with a tag 'Your Afterlife Adventures', and sell the promises of this. Determining process will be accept by the Christ's words; so, in the arguing case, there's always a method to avoid spare troubles by pointing this to the Bible, saying: "This promises were given by God, not of us". Anyway, there should not be any troubles, because we still don't know any cases of afterlife true stories. So, it's 100% good business. Just open it and sell the promises.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 18:53:14 GMT
Arktos turns to the religious forum.
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Post by MEGA on Jun 14, 2018 19:36:16 GMT
You said only a few out of all denomination will go to heaven. However all in some denominations will go to hell. This is where your logic contradicts. I said only a few will go to heaven because only a few follow just Him for real. It's God's words, not mine. Revelation 17:14 (KJV) These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. Luke 12:32 (KJV) Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 20:08:53 GMT
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Post by Elizabeth on Jun 14, 2018 20:12:40 GMT
Arktos turns to the religious forum. It's just one topic here. We post in the others too We should fill up all the topics!
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Post by Elizabeth on Jun 14, 2018 20:19:43 GMT
Yeah. It's great the bible tells us this Verse I gave Matthew 22:14 14 “For many are called, but few are chosen.”Verse dktrav88 gave 14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it. Verse William gave Luke 12:32 32 “Do not fear, little flock, for it is your Father’s good pleasure to give you the kingdom. Many don't get a reward. It's always a few or a little flock that does
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 20:43:28 GMT
Yeah. It's great the bible tells us this Verse I gave Matthew 22:14 14 “For many are called, but few are chosen.”Verse dktrav88 gave 14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it. Verse William gave Luke 12:32 32 “Do not fear, little flock, for it is your Father’s good pleasure to give you the kingdom. Many don't get a reward. It's always a few or a little flock that does (gosh...). I was typing a lot, when recently some trouble would appear, and all my scriptures went to nothing... - they were erased... I wanted to say that I can judge people, especially the other religions. How can I judge Buddhists, or the followers of Hinduism? I think they surely deserve to be in Heaven. The same is for the rest of us. Where are the killed by conquistadors Indians? in hell?? So, if the killers are in Heaven (they were Christians...), and the killed ones are in Hell, then God is a crazy psycho. Also, to the term 'chosen'. It seems to be a Jewish term. There is no chosen people. Who's chosen?.. If God picks one people among another ones, He must be a real racist, and the racists are not allowed on the Earth. So, either God will rescript his scriptures, or we must say good-buy to Him. We can't let such creatures to appear on the Earth.
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Post by Elizabeth on Jun 14, 2018 20:43:49 GMT
1 Corinthians 24 Do you not know that those who run in a race all run, but one receives the prize? Run in such a way that you may obtain it.
Not many can win a race they run in Shrug
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Post by Elizabeth on Jun 14, 2018 20:51:15 GMT
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We are not the ones with the heaven reward so it is not up to us but who has the reward. And those who want the reward must ask the one who has it how to get it.
Real Christians do not kill since it's a commandment. The ones you're thinking of weren't actually part of the few belonging to God but of the many or everyone else group.
Chosen are the few who are faithful to His word. William gave the verse for it.
Revelation 17:14 (KJV) These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 21:07:41 GMT
unknown We are not the ones with the heaven reward so it is not up to us but who has the reward. And those who want the reward must as the one who has it how to get it. Real Christians do not kill since it's a commandment. The ones you're thinking of weren't actually part of the few belonging to God but of the many or everyone else group. Chosen are the few who are faithful to His word. William gave the verse for it. Revelation 17:14 (KJV) These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.But it seems a nonsense, to me: for why God has created the killed Indians, or Buddhists for hell?.. Is it just His method to make funnies? I cannot completely get it. If God equals love, than He will not allow to suffer innocents. It must be something else, which allows not-believers to be good after all. Besides, why to go to Heaven? I don't want to go to it. Heaven seems to me some kind of a loser-place. Why to go to it? Even being a mortal, the Earth is more interesting place. In Heaven God controls you like a puppet, and their inhabitants are nothing but the empty balloons. In the Earth we can observe many secrets, many mysteries, many good people, and even many bad ones; we can find our love here, and we can cheet-chatting with each other constantly, we can have sex here, and we can catch some illness here, we can die occasionally here, but we can teach ourselves here, we can build something, we can eat some weird, and not only food, we can kill people, and torture people, but we can bring babies into this world, and we can create families, etc, etc... There is no such good features in Heaven, but boring nothing doings just like sitting in the warm office... Besides, thank God, there's no God in this World, so we can tease Him, shout at Him, curse Him, and paint many caricatures on Him - He cannot stop us, because here He's a sissy coward. So, is this world God is dead. There is no interesting features in Heaven. It's better to go to Hell (^+^)
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Post by Elizabeth on Jun 14, 2018 21:30:57 GMT
unknown He didn't create anyone for hell. We were created in His image and to glorify Him. But many people made themselvels created for hell instead since they don't want to be in His image (live like Christ) and wish to live like satan who rebelled against this. And God protects His few who choose Him and they're permanently protected unlike the rest. Look... John 10:28-30 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand. 30 I and My Father are one.” Jesus says no one will take who are His from His hand. Then He says no one will take them from the Father's hand. So we're in 2 hands? No, one. In the end He says it's one and the same hand because He's God in Trinity form This is exactly why it's a few who go. Not many want a gift. The few have proven themselves by winning the reward they strived for (heaven). Everyone else don't really want it like you don't. Because when you want something your actions will prove it. Others just talk like they want heaven but it's not evident in their life. The Earth will pass away...why focus on something that's so fragile ans only exists when you do? How do you know? You've been there? XD Bible says it's a great place that even the rich should give up their riches for it since it's even better than that. And when you find it then you hide it like a treasure. Satan rules here. It's said he's the god here working hard to devour souls nonstop. And he's doing a great job. He has many and God has few. Luckily God's kingdom isn't here and everything will be better later and Earth destroyed.
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