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Post by Διαμονδ on Mar 29, 2018 22:34:47 GMT
What is Truth!? 2000 years ago, Pilate asked Jesus - "What is truth?"Many years passed and people continue to worry about this issue! What is Truth for you? Interesting is any view, not only religious! We will discuss!
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Post by Διαμονδ on Apr 4, 2018 10:39:44 GMT
Διαμονδ has said Elizabeth you know, if take procedures of worshiping closely, yes, we could say that the other gods were not allowed. But, in Orthodoxy there's no worshiping of images, but worshiping of God, making churches (any places...) with some attributes, which, in turn, have been taken as the memory of died martyrs. The Orthodox church believes that the most good places for liturgy are that which have been sacred by deeds of Christians of first times. So, it's not objected to worship everywhere; so, actually, in Orthodoxy shared the view it would be more accurate and respectful if we were worshiping in sacred places. It is very strange to hear these truths from an atheist! You're not an atheist just in a crisis I think!
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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 4, 2018 10:41:34 GMT
Διαμονδ has said Elizabeth you know, if take procedures of worshiping closely, yes, we could say that the other gods were not allowed. But, in Orthodoxy there's no worshiping of images, but worshiping of God, making churches (any places...) with some attributes, which, in turn, have been taken as the memory of died martyrs. The Orthodox church believes that the most good places for liturgy are that which have been sacred by deeds of Christians of first times. So, it's not objected to worship everywhere; so, actually, in Orthodoxy shared the view it would be more accurate and respectful if we were worshiping in sacred places. Are the martyrs worshipped? I mean my church has pictures too from like missionary trips or from bible camp we do with kids in different countries. We like have a missionary area where people can see what was done on the trip by seeing pictures and videos. But that's pictures kind of images that aren't used as worship items. Only idol kind of images that receive worship are not right as we agreed that only God must be worshiped.
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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 4, 2018 10:47:54 GMT
Διαμονδ has said Elizabeth you know, if take procedures of worshiping closely, yes, we could say that the other gods were not allowed. But, in Orthodoxy there's no worshiping of images, but worshiping of God, making churches (any places...) with some attributes, which, in turn, have been taken as the memory of died martyrs. The Orthodox church believes that the most good places for liturgy are that which have been sacred by deeds of Christians of first times. So, it's not objected to worship everywhere; so, actually, in Orthodoxy shared the view it would be more accurate and respectful if we were worshiping in sacred places. It is very strange to hear these truths from an atheist! You're not an atheist just in a crisis I think! What truths? Yeah Eugene and I agreed that only God can be worshipped. He and I don't have a crisis on understanding what an idol is I think
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Post by Διαμονδ on Apr 4, 2018 10:54:53 GMT
It is very strange to hear these truths from an atheist! You're not an atheist just in a crisis I think! What truths? Yeah Eugene and I agreed that only God can be worshipped. He and I don't have a crisis on understanding what an idol is I think All that he wrote! Nobody in Orthodoxy does not worship images. Only respect ! For example, it was with the Ark of the Covenant! Thus, there is no violation of Scripture!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2018 11:10:03 GMT
Elizabeth Διαμονδ Thank you both for your understanding and support! This means to me a lot. That's why I call you friends! It truly says 'far friends can be the nearest'. Probably, it's crisis. But, you have to understand, that I have been educating at/in seminary for four years, so it means I'm not empty with info of it. About the martyrs. I'd say there's something funny (not about the martyrs). What do I mean? Well, where should I start? 1. Martyrs are the ones who dies for Christ (and without sins... etc); 2. Unobjectable that martyrs are deserved to be remembered (like heroes...); 3. There are plenty of ways to remember them. 4. Making pictures is the one of the way; 5. There's no bad when praying to look at the picture of a martyr (to concentrate yourself, for example); 6. And do '5' when inside church; k. The same is for their bodies; k+n. It's possible to worship God, by worshiping the martyrs as helpers in prayer. I know this logic little tricky, and yes, it is. The Orthodox didn't deny that traditions mean for them lots of. Why to hold traditions? - The same reason as the placed churches inwardly sacred places. Yes, it can be reckoned as 'returning to something closely in Syria, i.e. 'zaraostrism', when dead men have been counted as evil, and not sacred places have been counted as evil territory. But, you wouldn't believe that, Orthodox has an argument for this. Moreover, the solid one: According to Origen (mainly) there had been existing 'church' before the Earth being made. So, many folks got the Testament, but failed it, starting to worship another gods/idols. Thank you, my friends!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2018 11:17:10 GMT
What truths? Yeah Eugene and I agreed that only God can be worshipped. He and I don't have a crisis on understanding what an idol is I think All that he wrote! Nobody in Orthodoxy does not worship images. Only respect ! For example, it was with the Ark of the Covenant! Thus, there is no violation of Scripture! Exactly. Yes, I understand that this worshiping can be viewed as worshiping to images. But, where's one interpretation, there's another. Image is the prototype of the one. If you have heard of Mandala, you will understand. Yes, the ritual* to put pictures and "to worship" them is something closely to the practice of concentration, and the view that it's the best to choose good places (even the right look... hmm... Я не знаю как выразить - правильный взгляд) for yourself in prayer in liturgy. So, there's always the prototype of the image.
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