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Post by Διαμονδ on Feb 20, 2018 0:11:31 GMT
Feminism - What's your opinion on it?
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Post by fschmidt on Feb 20, 2018 0:52:27 GMT
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Post by Elizabeth on Feb 20, 2018 1:19:10 GMT
Isn't there 2 kinds? So not sure which one it's referred to here.
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Post by Mocha on Feb 20, 2018 1:24:18 GMT
Until Feminism can agree upon any sort of unified definition, I will continue to describe myself by my positions (PRO-X, ANTI-Y) rather than by a word which means basically whatever people want it to mean. I have seen just about every point of Feminism contradictory between two feminists' definitions. Is it Pro-Trans? Anti-Trans? Pro-Gay? Anti-Gay? I've seen a lot of disagreement on what equality even is (the supposed core tenet) and how to measure it, even within the community.
At least all Christians agree on some points! At least all Communists agree on some points! Feminists... nope.
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Post by Polaris on Feb 20, 2018 5:32:05 GMT
i find the question itself very vague. For me, and based on my literary background, feminism means any writing or thought by women, or by men but about women.
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Post by xero_art on Feb 20, 2018 7:52:16 GMT
Until Feminism can agree upon any sort of unified definition, I will continue to describe myself by my positions (PRO-X, ANTI-Y) rather than by a word which means basically whatever people want it to mean. I have seen just about every point of Feminism contradictory between two feminists' definitions. Is it Pro-Trans? Anti-Trans? Pro-Gay? Anti-Gay? I've seen a lot of disagreement on what equality even is (the supposed core tenet) and how to measure it, even within the community. At least all Christians agree on some points! At least all Communists agree on some points! Feminists... nope. I agree with you to an extent. As far as ideologies go, feminism is a fairly broad spectrum. However, I do not think they are alone in being too general an ideology. I believe and popular ideology is going to be general. Take Democrats and Republicans in the United States: the issue upon which they were initially split was states rights. Today, it would be more accurate to coin it as Liberalism vs Conservativism. In the same vein, any ideology will likely change over time as the people who identify in it change. Feminism, I think, started as a movement for women to be viewed as equals to me. While not the same, I do think that the majority of those who would call themselves feminists still share one view which is that men should not be viewed as greater than women. I also do not think that LGBTQ+ issues have much to do with feminism. While a feminist may support them, another may not. This is not hypocrisy because feminism only defines a part of a person's ideology and that part does not have a position on LGBTQ+. I am all for feminism at it's roots. I would even consider myself a feminist, though I would not place it high own my list of priorities. I believe in equality and as an individual, that means something to me that it may not to another. That does not mean I disagree with the root of the feminist agenda, that men should not be viewed as greater than women.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2018 8:37:16 GMT
Depends. If you refer to classical definition of feminism, emancipation, protecting equal rights and so on, then I surely support it. If you are asking if I support feminism in the countries where women's rights are violated, then I support it as well. If you mean feminazism then I condemn it.
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Post by fschmidt on Feb 20, 2018 18:08:29 GMT
Isn't there 2 kinds? So which one it's referred to here. I only know of one kind. Feminism is simply a Ok,,, just let me cry,,,leave me alone-power movement. Here is Queen Victoria's take on it in 1870:
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2018 16:19:02 GMT
You're saying absolutely nonsense!
This culture was growth by feminism, and this culture raises it.
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Post by bluesreligion on Feb 24, 2018 17:09:47 GMT
I'm a feminist. It'll be cool when the day comes we don't need it anymore, but women don't have their freedom (reproductive freedom, freedom from marital rape, legal rights, etc, etc, etc) yet.
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Post by bluesreligion on Feb 24, 2018 17:14:59 GMT
What is degenerate modern culture: does that just mean you suspect someone is having more fun then you? Seriously though, I'm excited about the future. I don't mind if you want to get married and raise five kids and never do anything else, but I love the options we have today (at least in my country!).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2018 18:36:10 GMT
The question of freedom, rights, etc, fits good only about intense force against women exactly. We can't mixed cultural questions with gender. All these gender question are too fairy and romantic. There are lots of question: how to survive the next day, and not about rights. Rights to what?
I have right to tell, but does it mean something important? So, the purpose is more relevant then deontological one. If you care about your personal rights - you talk about personal, not for everyone. The gender questions are the same.
It's useless to build the ideal society, because we don't know any purposes for it. Does society exist just for itself? The great shopping...
No one human being has freedom. It's just a fairy tale.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Feb 24, 2018 18:43:07 GMT
I absolutely support and appreciate the rights of women .. but women should understand that the voice of men is always the first! I absolutely do not support many of the modern degenerate female currents that hide under the name of feminism!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2018 10:56:32 GMT
ΔιαμονδWith any doubt - you sound like a real man!
As for me, I think this theme is very discussive. First or second - I think it depends on situation. If a girl say me she wants to look pretty, I think she is absolutely right, because its her 'weapon'.Yes, it is very bad that good and right feminism movement that has started with the mother of Mary Shelley - Mary Wollstonecraft, and also with famous John Stuart Mill and her wife Helen Taylor - now suffers from radical feminine movements that absolutely stupid. I sure in 100% that Wollstonecraft, Taylor or Shelley would judged modern feminism.
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Post by bluesreligion on Feb 25, 2018 11:22:45 GMT
The voice of men is always first? , no. There are many stupid men out there that would do better if they shut up and listen.
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