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Post by Διαμονδ on Feb 20, 2018 0:11:31 GMT
Feminism - What's your opinion on it?
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Post by Elizabeth on Feb 25, 2018 16:14:03 GMT
The voice of men is always first? , no. There are many stupid men out there that would do better if they shut up and listen. Sometimes I wonder if some are even human. But I get what you mean. Not all men are actually smart and worth listening to. I have a big blocked list of men in discord and other places I use. They just didn't seem to appeal xD
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Post by fschmidt on Feb 25, 2018 21:06:25 GMT
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Post by Polaris on Feb 25, 2018 21:09:29 GMT
The voice of men is always first? , no. There are many stupid men out there that would do better if they shut up and listen. By men we do not mean every single man
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Post by fschmidt on Feb 25, 2018 21:12:43 GMT
Yes, it is very bad that good and right feminism movement that has started with the mother of Mary Shelley - Mary Wollstonecraft, and also with famous John Stuart Mill and her wife Helen Taylor - now suffers from radical feminine movements that absolutely stupid. I sure in 100% that Wollstonecraft, Taylor or Shelley would judged modern feminism. Feminism has always been a destructive force in history. I read John Stuart Mill's "The Subjection of Women" a long time ago and I strongly disagree with it. Giving women the vote is a guaranteed way to destroy society. www.mikraite.org/Against-Women-s-Suffrage-tp11.html
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Post by Elizabeth on Feb 25, 2018 21:16:46 GMT
The voice of men is always first? , no. There are many stupid men out there that would do better if they shut up and listen. By men we do not mean every single man That's true. There are great men and even women out there too.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Feb 25, 2018 22:41:21 GMT
The voice of men is always first? , no. There are many stupid men out there that would do better if they shut up and listen. It's not my fault that you live among stupid males! I will not justify them .. But than you are better than them?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2018 23:49:36 GMT
Feminism - What's your opinion on it? Feminism is cancer tbh, there is no need for it. It's one of the primary causes of degeneracy today.
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Post by AmericanCharm on Feb 26, 2018 1:04:55 GMT
Modern feminism is a perversion of what it once was. Now these women want all the perks of equality but they don't want the responsibility or negatives that go along with it like having to sign up for selective service, equal standards of physical qualification for military/law enforcement, paying for dinner, and so on. Feminism has long ago stopped being about fairness. The name of the movement explains you what is it about anyway. If they wanted fairness they would call themselves egalitarianism, not feminism. What feminists want, is to have both the advantages of being a man and being a woman, with no consequences or responsibility. What rights do men have that women don't? I'm talking actual rights, not like, “I should get my birth control paid for'” “Men must buy condoms or get from places that hand them out for free” Birth control and contraception is not a right in this day and age. They also promote poor health by being pro fat (you are healthy at any size bull crap).
Much of modern Feminism has an agenda to demonize masculinity. A lot of feminists speak about "redefining masculinity" or "redefining what it means to be a man" and all that does is create lesser men. No amount of good intentions or social conditioning will override what a woman ultimately wants, which is someone who is masculine. Masculinity and femininity are supposed to complement one another, but feminism tries to suppress that masculinity in many ways, teaching men to be emotionally expressive, dont overstep boundaries, treat women like a queen, and so on. Which sounds good on paper, until those same guys end up being so spineless and unattractive that they're kissless virgins later in life. Often, when beta dudes whine about how girls always go for the "bad guys", sometimes that's true, but often the "bad guy" is actually a good dude who is only perceived as bad because he was bold and assertive, something that the average male these days is unfamiliar with because of a lifetime of feminist conditioning. Now, going after what you want and anything other than pedestalizing a girl is often seen as being a misogynistic jerk. Also if you want to talk about feminism trying to change perception, well that applies negatively to males as well. Look at many any sitcom or ad on TV depicting a married couple. The man is almost always the stupid, clumsy one who is afraid of his intelligent, rational, domineering wife. This chit may empower women, but at the cost of men who grow up seeing this chit and internalizing that behavior.
These is this saying women get paid 77 cents for every dollar a man makes. It’s been used time and time again when feminists talk about how women are still unequal in modern-day Western societies. What they’re not explaining is that these wage gaps are not the result of gender discrimination, but the result of women’s choices. Women are less likely to take dangerous, high-paying jobs and less likely to work in high-paying computer and engineering fields. Even in the same field, men are more likely to pursue specialized careers with higher levels of stress. Men are also more likely to pursue dangerous jobs that involve demanding physical labor, which generally pay more than less taxing jobs. Men also work an average of 9% more hours than women. Some seem to believe that men and women aren't equal in 1st world countries because they aren't seeing equal results. They fail to understand that equality is about equal opportunity, not equal results and not equal roles.
Actions speak far louder than words. While feminism claims to be “all about equality”, they've done absolutely nothing to help any of the major male causes. What has feminism done about high male suicide rates? What has feminism done about male genital mutilation? What has feminism done about the unfair legal treatment of males? What has feminism done to help war veterans? and so go on. Feminism has done absolutely nothing to help men, but still claim to be “all about equality”. It makes no sense. Folks are against feminism because they judge the group by their actions instead of an irrelevant dictionary definition. They think banning the word “bossy” is than these legitimate issues.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2018 7:56:02 GMT
Yes, it is very bad that good and right feminism movement that has started with the mother of Mary Shelley - Mary Wollstonecraft, and also with famous John Stuart Mill and her wife Helen Taylor - now suffers from radical feminine movements that absolutely stupid. I sure in 100% that Wollstonecraft, Taylor or Shelley would judged modern feminism. Feminism has always been a destructive force in history. I read John Stuart Mill's "The Subjection of Women" a long time ago and I strongly disagree with it. Giving women the vote is a guaranteed way to destroy society. www.mikraite.org/Against-Women-s-Suffrage-tp11.html Thank you for articles. Sorry, but I'll read it just some later.
But even I haven't started to read, I agree with you 'bout "feminism as a destructive force in history". However, something is bothering me: women have been changed at history, yesterday many women've not been able to make some rational decisions, but now I know that huge part of them are very smart. Maybe our view strongly hast to be changes about women?
Anyway, I'm glad to have conversation with you.
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Post by WatTambor on Mar 7, 2018 11:30:36 GMT
That really depends on how you define Feminism. There are lots of fairly moderate people out there who consider themselves feminists and whose behavior is nowhere near the toxicity of those known as "Feminazis". If you simply mean the belief that the sexes should be equal, then that is a sentiment I agree with. There are many, however, that harbor insane beliefs like female supremacy and whatnot, and I prefer not to associate myself with feminism, although nominally I do agree with the basic premise as described in the dictionary definition.
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Post by Elizabeth on Mar 7, 2018 11:36:16 GMT
Yeah I've been waiting for the defition of it. I heard there are 2 kinds so don't know which one this means. I am ok with one of the definitions but the other one.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2018 12:20:32 GMT
Well, I wanted to say plenty of it, but I decided to keep silent this time.
I just want to say this: "Loveless" (A. Zvyagintsev, 2017). And the second - well-known: "Fight Club" (D. Fincher, 1999).
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Post by tonio on Mar 8, 2018 9:43:17 GMT
Feminism is nothing but identity politics, you use a certain group to hold some flags and make political pressure. It's extremely unlikely that every woman agrees with some position, not to say impossible. The actions perpetrated by the movement don't hold up to the idealization either. The "but feminism is about equality" is nothing but a changing the goal post fallacy. Even though, I refrain from proposing an ideal moral system of genders in society.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2018 10:32:10 GMT
//Actions speak far louder than words. While feminism claims to be “all about equality”, they've done absolutely nothing to help any of the major male causes. What has feminism done about high male suicide rates?//
They have taken MANHOOD out of the MAN. This is the real problem with feminism, males no longer behave the way they are supposed to be. chivalrous, gallantry, brave, honor. Feminism actually attack males. Real men never DISHONORS any female, but feminism makes the male to dishonor, because, it is the frustration which creeps in the mind of the male and these type of behavior are the end result of such frustration.
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Post by skallad on Mar 8, 2018 10:37:03 GMT
I think it's needed. The women who don't have basic human rights simply because they are female need feminism. I'm an intersectional feminist and it's meant to be inclusive. I care just as much about everyone and I want the best for them. I just feel that people who are treated as if they are the scum of the earth need to be heard and listened to. There is no need to treat someone with darker skin worse just solely on the colour of their skin. It's wrong according to me and what concerns trans people, there is no need to exclude them either. Different is not a bad thing. I know that there are people who think differently and that's okay. I'm not trying to push things in people's face. Accepting something does not mean you have to like it or agree with it. I have accepted that there is nothing I can do about the past and I have accepted that. What I can affect is the future.
What needs to change though, is that feminism, it isn't only about women. Men have problems too. Macho culture is a thing, at least for me. That men shouldn't talk about their feelings and that showing your feelings is a sign of weakness. Showing your feelings is a sign of strength, to be strong enough not to judge yourself in times of weakness. And when it comes to suicide, it's a thing, statistically, the majority of the people committing suicide are men. This is something that needs to change. There is so much more we can do. There are issues in every area in everyone's life and if we can change things like this, it's gonna get better. It is important to highlight this. Being masculine is not something bad, I am attracted to masculinity. But it doesn't have to mean that you are emasculated just because you show that you are weak. Take away the stigma around mental health. Take away the pressure men have to endure.
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