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Post by Διαμονδ on Feb 7, 2018 14:10:04 GMT
For me, Augustus and Constantine the Great!
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Post by Διαμονδ on Mar 28, 2018 6:52:12 GMT
Justinian was a worthy emperor! Not according to Procopius. Do you believe his "Secret History"? Procopius of Caesarea? But he was the witness of those events! |
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Post by fschmidt on Mar 28, 2018 7:16:23 GMT
Procopius of Caesarea? But he was the witness of those events! Yes, and he had to record those events in positive light if he wanted to keep his job as government historian. But he also kept a "Secret History" that was revealed after his death, well worth reading. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2018 11:58:02 GMT
I don't like the Romans, but there were some good emperors. My vote would go to Marcus Aurelius.
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Post by Elizabeth on Mar 29, 2018 9:59:17 GMT
I'd say me but I'm not Roman Shrug
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Post by Διαμονδ on Mar 29, 2018 10:06:06 GMT
I'd say me but I'm not Roman  Of course, Constantine is better! He established Christianity as the official religion of the Roman Empire and stopped the murders of Christians! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2018 10:17:08 GMT
...which eventually led to the murders of Pagans.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Mar 29, 2018 10:18:14 GMT
...which eventually led to the murders of Pagans. For example? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2018 10:23:19 GMT
How people of Europe and other places have been converted to Christianity is an example. Of course, not directly initiated by Constantine.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2018 10:24:24 GMT
...which eventually led to the murders of Pagans. That's exactly why I think organized religion is dangerous  |
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Post by Διαμονδ on Mar 29, 2018 10:28:22 GMT
The Church did not sanction these murders ... but the people remembered the barbarism of the pagans! Shrug
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2018 10:36:13 GMT
The Church did not sanction these murders ... but the people remembered the barbarism of the pagans! Ever heard about the Northern Crusades? |
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Post by Διαμονδ on Mar 29, 2018 10:39:44 GMT
The Church did not sanction these murders ... but the people remembered the barbarism of the pagans! Ever heard about the Northern Crusades? Of course! I do not consider the history and actions of the schismatic Catholic Church! After 1054, the Vatican began to violate all canons but also before that too! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2018 10:50:04 GMT
Ah, right. I forgot. So, if the murders of Pagans don't count because they were not acknowledged by the Church (and apparently the conquest and murders were not discouraged neither), what would you say about discrimination of Pagans in Rome? By the discrimination I mean penalty of death for worshipping Pagan gods (Codex Theodosianus), the Church not opposed to that neither. Same applied to the Manichaeans.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2018 10:55:50 GMT
The Church did not sanction these murders ... but the people remembered the barbarism of the pagans! Ever heard about the Northern Crusades? I remember something about Alexander Nevsky fighting Teutonic knights. I also recall Birger Jarl capturing Finland, but I don't know if it has to do with some crusades or not. |
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Post by Διαμονδ on Mar 29, 2018 10:58:07 GMT
Ah, right. I forgot. So, if the murders of Pagans don't count because they were not acknowledged by the Church (and apparently the conquest and murders were not discouraged neither), what would you say about discrimination of Pagans in Rome? By the discrimination I mean penalty of death for worshipping Pagan gods (Codex Theodosianus), the Church not opposed to that neither. Same applied to the Manichaeans. This is all due to the political circumstances of the time! But you can not consider this as the result of the teachings of the Christian religion ... as for the Roman Empire, this state has never been ideal. In Christianity, Rome is associated with the Beast of the Apocalypse! |
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