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Post by Διαμονδ on Jan 27, 2018 12:22:13 GMT
Your attitude to Islam! Discuss!
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Post by Elizabeth on Feb 6, 2018 8:44:20 GMT
So you're saying there has never been a violent person in a certain religion? No I’m saying it’s like an easy way to be non confrontational to say oh well there is good and bad in all religions. Which is true but there is a disproportionate amount of violence, rape, and terror that comes from certain religions. So it’s not as simple as there is good and bad among both. It goes further than a simple statement like that. Islam is a threat to western civilization and there isn’t two ways about. Sharia Law and Islamic values aren’t comparable with Western civilizations. It’s like saying all races have good and bad and then you look at statistics. In 2014 blacks committed 8,000 of 11,000 gun murders in the U.S. So 7% of the population made up 80% of the gun crime. That’s a consistent statistic slightly more or less every year. In America 81% of all white murder victims are killed by peoples of African descent. Despite being outnumbered by whites five to one, blacks commit eight times more crimes against whites than vice-versa. A black male is 40 times as likely to assault a white person as the reverse. These figures also show that interracial rape is almost exclusively black on white. When adjusted to population size when it comes to aggregated assault the rates for blacks is 200% higher against whites than it is whites against blacks. From 2011 to 2016 40.5% per cent of people arrested for murder, manslaughter, rape, robbery, and aggravated assault were black. This figure is three times higher than the 13% black population figure. When you account for the fact that black males aged 15-34, who account for around 3% of the population, are responsible for the vast majority of these crimes, the figures are even more staggering. 90% of interracial crime is black on white crime. If NYC were entirely white would drop 83%, murder would drop 91%, and shooting would drop 96%. Whites who grow up in the same poor economic environments as blacks are less likely to commit crimes and more likely to graduate high school. Whites who grow up in this same poor economic environment (households making under 20,000 a year) have equal IQs and SAT scores as blacks who come from households making 200,000 a year. In 2015 93% of blacks were killed by other blacks are killed by other blacks and that is a consistent statistic. Most crime is black on black crime. They also collect a disproportional amount of government assistance. And so on, so to me it’s not as simple as there are good and bad people all in all races and religions. That is only the beginning of truth. Some religions and races commit disproportional amounts violence and crime. Look at the state of the countries in Europe that accepted the Islamic refugees crime (in particular rape went up exponentially) as well as counties having to raise their retirement age because the refugees aren’t working and are collecting government assistance instread. Yes, but not all blacks do bad things and there are many bad whites too for example who kill and all. Especially in business...the whites were the worst who brought the terror of Ponzi and Pyramid schemes.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 13:09:48 GMT
Shortly: Islam is bad; muslims are good.
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Post by AmericanCharm on Feb 6, 2018 13:22:00 GMT
Shortly: Islam is bad; muslims are good. People good or otherwise under bad influences act bad. Islam isn’t inherently peaceful (I had this argument the other day on here so I don’t want to repeat my self). But you could argue that Christianity wasn’t a good example either. But that has changed, their maximum representations don’t spread many of those antiquated ideals, where as Islam still poses a threat to society, either Islam changes and updates like Christianity did or big problems will arise.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Feb 6, 2018 13:42:50 GMT
Shortly: Islam is bad; muslims are good. People good or otherwise under bad influences act bad. Islam isn’t inherently peaceful (I had this argument the other day on here so I don’t want to repeat my self). But you could argue that Christianity wasn’t a good example either. But that has changed, their maximum representations don’t spread many of those antiquated ideals, where as Islam still poses a threat to society, either Islam changes and updates like Christianity did or big problems will arise. True Christianity does not carry danger! The fact that some heretics committed under the cover of Christianity is not the fault of the believers! Although Christ said - I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. - Matthew 10:34
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Post by hamad on Feb 6, 2018 13:49:07 GMT
Shortly: Islam is bad; muslims are good. I disagree. The islam of bad muslims is bad, the islam of good muslims is good. I am a muslim, and I do good because of my religion not in spite of it . What if I said christianity is bad but christians are good
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Post by hamad on Feb 6, 2018 13:56:33 GMT
Shortly: Islam is bad; muslims are good. People good or otherwise under bad influences act bad. Islam isn’t inherently peaceful (I had this argument the other day on here so I don’t want to repeat my self). But you could argue that Christianity wasn’t a good example either. But that has changed, their maximum representations don’t spread many of those antiquated ideals, where as Islam still poses a threat to society, either Islam changes and updates like Christianity did or big problems will arise. Islam, as preached by none peace loving preachers, will not be peaceful. Islam preached by peace loving preachers would be peaceful. The problem is that the quran composes only the most general statements about islam, and it has 7 different readings, and within each reading, there are multiple interpretations.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 14:36:32 GMT
Shortly: Islam is bad; muslims are good. People good or otherwise under bad influences act bad. Islam isn’t inherently peaceful (I had this argument the other day on here so I don’t want to repeat my self). But you could argue that Christianity wasn’t a good example either. But that has changed, their maximum representations don’t spread many of those antiquated ideals, where as Islam still poses a threat to society, either Islam changes and updates like Christianity did or big problems will arise. I absolutey agree with you! I underlied the words ' either Islam changes and updates like Christianity did or big problems will arise'. Yes. I think the same. And we urgently need to explain them that Luter's or Bonhoeffer's affairs to Christianity was good. But you know, a leader need for muslims now, the leader similar to the persons I've told. Without such leader it would be bad. And it is bad too that the situation in our postmodern World doesn't help, 'cause the 'borders of understanding' of a 'center' have been washed away. Yesterday's dancing of invitation to the party people from different cultures finished, and we left with huge problems. Also lack of any objective moral issues, or any solid values... doesn't help us. Muslims feel this like the rest of the World too even being divided by theirs belief. So, this problem is urgently needed to be solved, or - like you rightly said - there is 'big problems will arise'.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 14:47:05 GMT
Shortly: Islam is bad; muslims are good. I disagree. The islam of bad muslims is bad, the islam of good muslims is good. I am a muslim, and I do good because of my religion not in spite of it . What if I said christianity is bad but christians are good And you will be brilliantly right!! And you know what? It is exactly what christianity tells: 'love your neighbours'. I try to understand feelings of muslims, 'cause they were growth in such-and-such circumstances, but I don't apply any religion, including Islam. What is Islam? It's just a sound no more.
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Post by fschmidt on Feb 6, 2018 19:40:40 GMT
By good I was referring to at least ones who don't harm you physically or purposely seek to make your life miserable. They just let you be. These ones I can live with basically on the planet It has been a long time since I have had meaningful interaction with an American (culturally) who didn't try to harm me. As far as I can tell, they are all evil and I would like to see them exterminated. I am actually dealing with a business negotiation right now where the American wants something that only harms me but doesn't benefit him in any way.
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Post by fschmidt on Feb 6, 2018 19:47:02 GMT
where as Islam still poses a threat to society, either Islam changes and updates like Christianity did or big problems will arise. I am glad that Islam still poses a threat to modern Western society, and I hope it stays that way. Modern Western society should be wiped out.
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Post by fschmidt on Feb 6, 2018 19:49:33 GMT
Islam, as preached by none peace loving preachers, will not be peaceful. Islam preached by peace loving preachers would be peaceful. The problem is that the quran composes only the most general statements about islam, and it has 7 different readings, and within each reading, there are multiple interpretations. The basic position of the Quran seems clear to me and is the same as the position of the Old Testament. This is that violence is justified in self-defense. So the real question is what qualifies as self-defense.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 22:46:21 GMT
Threating Modern Western society??.. Let's send to them a myryad of insects than, or tons of the water onto their motherland... What a lovely and peaceful methods!!
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Post by Διαμονδ on Feb 7, 2018 0:02:27 GMT
where as Islam still poses a threat to society, either Islam changes and updates like Christianity did or big problems will arise. I am glad that Islam still poses a threat to modern Western society, and I hope it stays that way. Modern Western society should be wiped out. The fact is that Islamic jihadism does not know about civilization! He does not care who to attack!
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Post by AmericanCharm on Feb 7, 2018 0:08:28 GMT
where as Islam still poses a threat to society, either Islam changes and updates like Christianity did or big problems will arise. I am glad that Islam still poses a threat to modern Western society, and I hope it stays that way. Modern Western society should be wiped out. Well that’s really edgy of you to post. But in all honestly they are threat to Americans and Europeans in terms of values, as well racial and cultural invasion. I don’t want to see Europeans become minorities in their own countries. I don’t want to see the loss of Europeans homeleands, features, customs, and cultures. Western society may have its issues but living under Sharia is a far far far far worse fate particularly for certain groups. Even if not Sharia it would still take cultural and racial invasion for Islam to overtake western civilization. Which is what they are trying to do. Which is not gonna happen as long as their are millions of people like me (Nationalists) as well as Christians willing to defend their religion and countries. We as a people should come up with our own solutions for the degeneracy that has become fairly common for this generation particularly.
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Post by fschmidt on Feb 7, 2018 3:24:44 GMT
The fact is that Islamic jihadism does not know about civilization! He does not care who to attack! That depends. For example I consider the Charlie Hebdo attack well justified and very effective at ending defamation against Islam.
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