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Post by mojo on Jan 6, 2018 21:53:54 GMT
are we so self important?
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Post by Elizabeth on Jan 7, 2018 10:41:53 GMT
Overall humans do think so. They view themselves very highly.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2018 10:53:25 GMT
John Connor is important. Just like Sarah Connor said.
Future of our kids and other people in future is more important.
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Post by amenemhab on Jan 10, 2018 14:17:32 GMT
...Future of our kids and other people in future is more important. Precisely. I recall a fella by name of Richard Dawkins (The Selfish Gene, 1976) calling us “disposable survival canisters” for our DNA. Yup! Better reproduce now, because you ain’t gonna be in Paris for the European Union’s bicentennial party in 2152. And since human beings have culture, too, you’ll need to educate those kids while they’re growing up, so they’ll have some notion of the messy life you were trying to cope with before they were born.
Of course, given the planet’s overpopulation, I’d recommend having just one kid, so she or he won’t have to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with 30 billion of his or her generational mates in a pile of human wastes searching like locusts for something to eat.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2018 14:54:07 GMT
...Future of our kids and other people in future is more important. Precisely. I recall a fella by name of Richard Dawkins (The Selfish Gene, 1976) calling us “disposable survival canisters” for our DNA. Yup! Better reproduce now, because you ain’t gonna be in Paris for the European Union’s bicentennial party in 2152. And since human beings have culture, too, you’ll need to educate those kids while they’re growing up, so they’ll have some notion of the messy life you were trying to cope with before they were born.
Of course, given the planet’s overpopulation, I’d recommend having just one kid, so she or he won’t have to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with 30 billion of his or her generational mates in a pile of human wastes searching like locusts for something to eat.
Your answer is very interesting! Yes, I know Dawkins - read his "God as illusion", but sorry, now I don't have time to for answering. So, I'll try to do it later.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jan 10, 2018 15:19:58 GMT
Anyway many families want to have more than one child!
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Post by fschmidt on Jan 11, 2018 0:05:20 GMT
Of course, given the planet’s overpopulation, I’d recommend having just one kid, so she or he won’t have to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with 30 billion of his or her generational mates in a pile of human wastes searching like locusts for something to eat. That is not the optimal evolutionary strategy. The optimal evolutionary strategy is to have many kids and convert to Islam and hope for a future war where billions of degenerate people are removed from the gene pool. Humanity has degenerated horribly and badly needs some natural selection.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jan 11, 2018 0:35:19 GMT
Of course, given the planet’s overpopulation, I’d recommend having just one kid, so she or he won’t have to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with 30 billion of his or her generational mates in a pile of human wastes searching like locusts for something to eat. That is not the optimal evolutionary strategy. The optimal evolutionary strategy is to have many kids and convert to Islam and hope for a future war where billions of degenerate people are removed from the gene pool. Humanity has degenerated horribly and badly needs some natural selection. I can partially agree! But why Islam?
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Post by fschmidt on Jan 11, 2018 2:14:05 GMT
I can partially agree! But why Islam? I said that is the best evolutionary strategy, but that isn't my choice. It is the best evolutionary strategy because it seems clear to me that Islam will dominate in the future, and it is best to be on the winning team. I don't see any seriously competitors to Islam right now. But unfortunately I can't convince myself that Islam is true, so I can't fully join them. As a compromise, I attend mosque and actively support Islam without being Muslim.
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Post by AssumedKarma on Jan 11, 2018 3:17:24 GMT
I don't think humans are important, I feel like as a species we just drew the longer straw and no matter which way you look at it.
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Post by ZeroInteruppt on Jan 11, 2018 5:40:39 GMT
An animal sees what it is and accepts. A man sees what it is and strives to be better. - Wolverine
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jan 11, 2018 9:37:52 GMT
I can partially agree! But why Islam? I said that is the best evolutionary strategy, but that isn't my choice. It is the best evolutionary strategy because it seems clear to me that Islam will dominate in the future, and it is best to be on the winning team. I don't see any seriously competitors to Islam right now. But unfortunately I can't convince myself that Islam is true, so I can't fully join them. As a compromise, I attend mosque and actively support Islam without being Muslim. In fact, do you suggest surrendering to the coming Islam? So that Muhammad does not cut off my head, will I become Muhammad? Did not you think that it's worth resisting Islam?
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Post by amenemhab on Jan 11, 2018 12:36:33 GMT
Yes, I know Dawkins - read his "God as illusion"... I’m not too big on Dawkins, who strikes me as arrogant, mouthy, and anti-Christian with a chip on his shoulder. But he does make valid points. Fundamentalist Christianity, with its young Earth creationism exemplified by Ken Ham’s Ark Encounter exhibit in Kentucky outside Cincinnati, Ohio, which even has a dinosaur aboard a wooden ship I doubt could possess enough structural strength to stay intact very long in a 29000-foot global flood, is simply untenable. So is William Paley’s 18th century argument for design, which Dawkins defenestrates in his book, The Blind Watchmaker.
Yet Christians seem to have no trouble becoming scientists who work in fields where data contradict a young Earth. Petroleum geology in Texas’s 270-million year old Permian Basin comes to mind.The optimal evolutionary strategy is to have many kids and convert to Islam and hope for a future war where billions of degenerate people are removed from the gene pool. I’ll take that as facetious, problem being those degenerates could delete the rest of us on their way to stage left as well. Especially if one of them has a finger on the US nuclear “football,” as Pres. Trump does. All it would take is Pakistan, or a newly-armed Iran, deciding to use a nuclear weapon to ignite a war which Russia and the USA soon enter, duking it out with nukes aimed at one another’s soil.It is the best evolutionary strategy because it seems clear to me that Islam will dominate in the future, and it is best to be on the winning team. In fact, do you suggest surrendering to the coming Islam?...Did not you think that it's worth resisting Islam? It’s worth being prepared militarily in case an Islamic coalition ever attacks the West again, as has happened in past centuries and, on a smaller scale, on September 11. But if Islam does become the winning team, it will be because Muslims multiply like whitetail deer in a garden suburb. Egypt had only 25 million people when I was born; today 96 million are crammed in that narrow Nile Valley and its delta, with 3 or 4 million new mouths to feed each year. The median Egyptian is only 23—prime reproductive age. Pakistan’s even worse.
Still, I believe we can coexist. While we should resist any attempts to legislate sharia in Western countries, and put some quantitative limits on Muslim immigration to allow time for integration into our societies, most Western Muslim citizens are well-behaved. Islam does require a lot of personal discipline, more than what most Americans muster—prayer five times daily, fasting (including no water) sunup to sundown a whole month each year, and charity toward the poor. Despite its problematic aspects (women’s rights gaps and so on), it’s hardly an evil religion.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2018 12:51:36 GMT
Yes, I know Dawkins - read his "God as illusion"... I’m not too big on Dawkins, who strikes me as arrogant, mouthy, and anti-Christian with a chip on his shoulder. But he does make valid points. Fundamentalist Christianity, with its young Earth creationism exemplified by Ken Ham’s Ark Encounter exhibit in Kentucky outside Cincinnati, Ohio, which even has a dinosaur aboard a wooden ship I doubt could possess enough structural strength to stay intact very long in a 29000-foot global flood, is simply untenable. So is William Paley’s 18th century argument for design, which Dawkins defenestrates in his book, The Blind Watchmaker.
Yet Christians seem to have no trouble becoming scientists who work in fields where data contradict a young Earth. Petroleum geology in Texas’s 270-million year old Permian Basin comes to mind.The optimal evolutionary strategy is to have many kids and convert to Islam and hope for a future war where billions of degenerate people are removed from the gene pool. I’ll take that as facetious, problem being those degenerates could delete the rest of us on their way to stage left as well. Especially if one of them has a finger on the US nuclear “football,” as Pres. Trump does. All it would take is Pakistan, or a newly-armed Iran, deciding to use a nuclear weapon to ignite a war which Russia and the USA soon enter, duking it out with nukes aimed at one another’s soil.In fact, do you suggest surrendering to the coming Islam?...Did not you think that it's worth resisting Islam? It’s worth being prepared militarily in case an Islamic coalition ever attacks the West again, as has happened in past centuries and, on a smaller scale, on September 11. But if Islam does become the winning team, it will be because Muslims multiply like whitetail deer in a garden suburb. Egypt had only 25 million people when I was born; today 96 million are crammed in that narrow Nile Valley and its delta, with 3 or 4 million new mouths to feed each year. The median Egyptian is only 23—prime reproductive age. Pakistan’s even worse.
Still, I believe we can coexist. While we should resist any attempts to legislate sharia in Western countries, and put some quantitative limits on Muslim immigration to allow time for integration into our societies, most Western Muslim citizens are well-behaved. Islam does require a lot of personal discipline, more than what most Americans muster—prayer five times daily, fasting (including no water) sunup to sundown a whole month each year, and charity toward the poor. Despite its problematic aspects (women’s rights gaps and so on), it’s hardly an evil religion.[/quote] Dawkins is not very good in philosophy. So, I wanted to make a full answer, but now I'm forced to limit it. A. Dawkins is wrong, claiming us as 'canisters', 'cause it makes more problems: from this thesis we could deduce that faschism is good, 'cause they were trying to make humans race better biologicaly; the question is - who will be the 'canisters'? Supermans? B. Estimating us 'canisters' we automatically claim that our children must live in paradise. Surely, it is not bad, but whose children will live there?
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Post by amenemhab on Jan 11, 2018 13:55:46 GMT
Dawkins is not very good in philosophy. So, I wanted to make a full answer, but now I'm forced to limit it...Dawkins is wrong, claiming us as 'canisters'... Don’t worry. If you have more to add later, you can post it here; I’ll likely see it as I keep personal copies to my posts with links to the web pages they appear on. As a Christian, I agree we are more than canisters. We have souls. Even if that weren’t so, the DNA genome cannot specify everything about a full-grown organism. DNA merely codes for the proteins our body cells contain, and tells those cells in what order they should activate genes and divide to form tissues. The environment, both in utero and after birth, determines much of how the development will go. For instance, most of the wiring connections in our brains form near the time we are born, or later, as we become growing, learning children.
At the same time, because we’re mortal, we must reproduce while able to do so, lest humanity go extinct. And natural selection does remove some genes or combinations of genes from our species’ gene pool. Tay-Sachs babies rarely grow up, and the few who do survive to their teens or adult years are very unlikely to produce a child of their own. This tends to eliminate the Tay-Sachs gene.
The only fly in the ointment is that new Tay-Sachs genes can be generated by random mutations in a normal gene which codes for an enzyme our nerve cells use. It can also propagate by transmission to kids who inherit only one copy of the defective gene, who, thus protected by their normal copy, do not become ill. Hence it never completely disappears from the population, although it remains rare. Some isolated human populations which don’t marry outside the group suffer a higher incidence of Tay-Sachs than the general population does. One of these groups is the Ashkenazi Jews of Europe.Cause of Tay-Sachs disease Nat’l Tay-Sachs Assn. www.ntsad.org/index.php/tay-sachs/causesTesting for Tay-Sachs carriers, Mayo Clinic www.mayomedicallaboratories.com/test-catalog/Clinical+and+Interpretive/35562
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