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Post by mojo on Jan 6, 2018 21:53:54 GMT
are we so self important?
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Post by fschmidt on Jan 12, 2018 8:25:06 GMT
In fact, do you suggest surrendering to the coming Islam? So that Muhammad does not cut off my head, will I become Muhammad? Did not you think that it's worth resisting Islam? You don't have to become Muslim. But I support Islam because I see no better alternative. All other religions seem degenerate. The optimal evolutionary strategy is to have many kids and convert to Islam and hope for a future war where billions of degenerate people are removed from the gene pool. I’ll take that as facetious, problem being those degenerates could delete the rest of us on their way to stage left as well. Especially if one of them has a finger on the US nuclear “football,” as Pres. Trump does. All it would take is Pakistan, or a newly-armed Iran, deciding to use a nuclear weapon to ignite a war which Russia and the USA soon enter, duking it out with nukes aimed at one another’s soil.It isn't facetious. I consider idiocracy to be a much bigger threat than nuclear war. Humanity has a chance of surviving a minor nuclear war, but idiocracy is irreversible. Modern culture is highly dysgenic and selects for stupidity and immorality. The sooner that Islam wipes out modern culture, the less harm will be done to the human gene pool.
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Post by amenemhab on Jan 12, 2018 11:24:01 GMT
I consider idiocracy to be a much bigger threat than nuclear war...Modern culture is highly dysgenic and selects for stupidity and immorality. It’s easy to overestimate the speed at which natural selection works to modify behavior and body plans. While intense selection pressure as exerted by a killer disease can result in turnover of a herd phenotypical trait in just two or three generations—20th century Native Americans usually survived a bout with the measles which had been lethal to their 17th and 18th century ancestors—the high infant survival and long generation time of humans slows evolution. Today, near-assured survival of all babies bright or stupid has virtually eliminated external selection pressure altogether.
We still have social and selection, of course. Low-IQ parents do tend to have more children than their smarter, more affluent counterparts. Yet this is true in Muslim lands as well. Also, unlike disease resistance which is often modulated by a single gene, IQ is a polygenetic trait influenced by hundreds of genes, most of them unknown, and by the environment. These genes sort independently, so that with IQ we see regression to the mean: The kids of low-IQ parents have lower IQs, on average, than the general population, but not as low as their parents’ IQs. By the time the great-grandchildren have taken over, the difference may be erased, invalidating our famous quote,from Oliver Wendell Holmes, Buck v. Bell, US Supreme Court (1927), a case reviewing Virginia’s sterilization law. Nor did the states ever sterilize enough people —just 50000 or so over half a century —to affect their gene pools.
If you wanna run a eugenics program to improve our race, good luck to you. You’ll need about two millennia to obtain any measurable results. It is possible, however, that genetic engineering, fraught with ethical minefields as it is, could do the job much faster.
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Post by AssumedKarma on Jan 12, 2018 19:38:28 GMT
In fact, do you suggest surrendering to the coming Islam? So that Muhammad does not cut off my head, will I become Muhammad? Did not you think that it's worth resisting Islam? You don't have to become Muslim. But I support Islam because I see no better alternative. All other religions seem degenerate. I’ll take that as facetious, problem being those degenerates could delete the rest of us on their way to stage left as well. Especially if one of them has a finger on the US nuclear “football,” as Pres. Trump does. All it would take is Pakistan, or a newly-armed Iran, deciding to use a nuclear weapon to ignite a war which Russia and the USA soon enter, duking it out with nukes aimed at one another’s soil. It isn't facetious. I consider idiocracy to be a much bigger threat than nuclear war. Humanity has a chance of surviving a minor nuclear war, but idiocracy is irreversible. Modern culture is highly dysgenic and selects for stupidity and immorality. The sooner that Islam wipes out modern culture, the less harm will be done to the human gene pool. So correct me if I'm wrong, but you are suggesting that a religion wipes out millions of innocent people because you don't agree/like how a culture is diversified?
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Post by fschmidt on Jan 12, 2018 22:33:22 GMT
The sooner that Islam wipes out modern culture, the less harm will be done to the human gene pool. So correct me if I'm wrong, but you are suggesting that a religion wipes out millions of innocent people because you don't agree/like how a culture is diversified? I said to wipe the culture not the people. I really don't care what happens with the people, the main thing is to eliminate modern culture.
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Post by AssumedKarma on Jan 12, 2018 23:22:14 GMT
So correct me if I'm wrong, but you are suggesting that a religion wipes out millions of innocent people because you don't agree/like how a culture is diversified? I said to wipe the culture not the people. I really don't care what happens with the people, the main thing is to eliminate modern culture. By wiping out culture you are eliminating its people, and why specifically should Islam do it?
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jan 12, 2018 23:23:27 GMT
So correct me if I'm wrong, but you are suggesting that a religion wipes out millions of innocent people because you don't agree/like how a culture is diversified? I said to wipe the culture not the people. I really don't care what happens with the people, the main thing is to eliminate modern culture. Ok! Wipe culture! But what will be the alternative to modern culture? Islam? NOOOO!!!!!!!
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Post by fschmidt on Jan 13, 2018 0:45:43 GMT
By wiping out culture you are eliminating its people, and why specifically should Islam do it? Not true. You can eliminate a culture simply through education. Specifically Islam because that seems to be the only religion that is resistant to modern culture. Ok! Wipe culture! But what will be the alternative to modern culture? Islam? NOOOO!!!!!!! Why not? Christianity seems too complicated for the current low-intelligence population, and most Christians don't really understand it. Islam is much simpler.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Jan 13, 2018 0:50:12 GMT
Yes, Christianity is really difficult .. In the church to walk every week is one thing, but it's quite another thing to understand all this correctly.
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Post by fschmidt on Jan 13, 2018 0:59:59 GMT
It’s easy to overestimate the speed at which natural selection works to modify behavior and body plans. This seems to be a popular view in modern culture. But it has no basis in fact and violates basic math and common sense. Strong selection can change a population just as fast as a killer disease. Modern culture has strong selection against high intelligence and morality. In just a few generations, genes for high intelligence and morality will be almost wiped out in modern culture. This is not the case in Islam where high intelligence and morality are neutral in selection. Of course ideal cultures/religions select for high intelligence and morality, but no such religion currently exists, so I will settle for neutral. I disagree with most of Holmes's supreme court decisions, but I must say that I agree with him here. It has already been done by traditional Christianity and Ashkenazi Judaism (inadvertently). For more, read: www.amazon.com/Farewell-Alms-Economic-History-Princeton/dp/0691141282/
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Post by amenemhab on Jan 13, 2018 2:35:37 GMT
I really don't care what happens with the people, the main thing is to eliminate modern culture. What kind of culture do you envision after Islam, as you see it through your lens aberrations, not how it really is, eliminates the modern West? Do you own a car? Get rid of it, and walk everywhere you go, and forget about seeing family again if they’re overseas. Maybe you can write, and they’ll get the letter three months later after it goes by sailing ship. Do you shop in a grocery store? Better plan to sweat behind plow, hoe and sickle, growing your own food instead.
Do you go to the hospital if sick? You’ll lie in your bed, to survive or die on your own, from infectious diseases like diphtheria or tuberculosis we either vaccinate for or treat today. In case you’re not aware of how cushy a life you enjoy in the modern USA, all the stuff I’ve described above was reality less than 200 years ago. Even the Muslims, with the exception of radicals such as ISIS or the Taliban, prefer modern culture now.This [estimate of hundreds to thousands of years for selective breeding programs to work] seems to be a popular view in modern culture. It [eugenics] has already been done by traditional Christianity and Ashkenazi Judaism (inadvertently). For more, read [up on Economic History.] It’s not a popular view, it’s what you’ll read in any textbook on evolutionary biology or vertebrate comparative anatomy. The first multicellular life forms appeared a bit over half gigayear ago. It’s taken that tremendous chasm of time to get to where animal and plant life is now. The first stone tool technology came about 2½ million years ago. As you can see, things don’t happen overnight in nature, with a few exceptions such as asteroid impacts.
Selective breeding (artificial selection) does speed things up; all modern breeds of cattle and dogs have been produced in 10000 years from wild ancestors, with significant advances possible in much less time. Yet dogs and cows have a generation span of one or two years, versus at least 15 for people, or likely 25 as few will want to be teenage parents.
As for why the Ashkenazi Jews are relatively intelligent and prosperous on average, perhaps it’s because they value education. Nonetheless, there is an Ashkenazi subculture of poor people out of school, in gangs, unemployed, and on drugs. They’re hardly immune to social problems. For a good introduction to the natural history side of this science, I recommendDouglas Futuyma (1998), Evolutionary Biology. Sunderland, MA: Sinauer. Oh, wait! Embracing Islam to do away with modernity, you’ll prefer young Earth creationism, with a flat Earth beneath a domed, watery sky on which the sun sails each day. While I’ll say again that you have the right to believe this if you wish, the world is moving on. We don’t want to live in our past anymore. The “hate the West” faction isn’t gonna win the culture wars, although it may force the West to ditch some of its arrogance in favor of humility.
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Post by AssumedKarma on Jan 13, 2018 3:06:46 GMT
By wiping out culture you are eliminating its people, and why specifically should Islam do it? Not true. You can eliminate a culture simply through education. Specifically Islam because that seems to be the only religion that is resistant to modern culture. Ok! Wipe culture! But what will be the alternative to modern culture? Islam? NOOOO!!!!!!! Why not? Christianity seems too complicated for the current low-intelligence population, and most Christians don't really understand it. Islam is much simpler. Most sects of every religion are resistant to modern culture, but just like every religion it has its good and bad, but to "educate" people out of the culture that has defined them for generations sounds more like what Germany was doing in the late '30s
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Post by amenemhab on Jan 13, 2018 4:00:22 GMT
I’ll thank AssumedKarma above for drawing this tiddlywink to my attention: Christianity seems too complicated for the current low-intelligence population, and most Christians don't really understand it. Islam is much simpler. You’re right. Most Christians haven’t really mastered their religion. Yet not because of low intelligence, but because they don’t study it. They don’t read their bibles, beyond a few verses lifted out of context. They don’t pray.
In case you think Islam is simple, however, peruse the hadith collections of al-Bukhari or Muslim, each nearly 2000 pages long. This is all stuff the prophet Muhammad, in life, said to his followers, assigned reliability ratings per a clever system. Then there’s the extensive legal tradition, with its fatwas and so on. To have a deep knowledge of Islam is the work of a lifetime. It’s not a religion for the stupid.Sahih al-Bukhari d1.islamhouse.com/data/en/ih_books/single/en_Sahih_Al-Bukhari.pdfSahih Muslim www.shareislam.com/order/books/SahihMuslim.pdf
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