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Post by Elizabeth on Sept 14, 2018 1:46:51 GMT
I am not exactly sure if they're called sects or denominations or whatever. But I wasn't aware that there were divisions in Islam as in Christianity until recently.
So before I asked my question I want to explain how this question was formed first. I was told that Muslims dislike the Christian bible because it has been rewritten so many times and they think the real meaning is lost and that's why they think we have many denominations in Christianity (which isn't the case at all). So, if the Quran was written perfectly unlike the bible and preserved well unlike the bible (as they claim, of course).
So, why do you have denomations and sects too like Christians? My answer to it is the bible and Quran say only one thing whether rewritten or not but people just like to form their own sects from the origional way of following what it says to do in their holy book. Shrug
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2018 2:29:07 GMT
The division on Sunni and Muslims took place after Muhammad's death as was rather political, about whether Muhammad chose a successor or not. Later other differences occured and there are different schools of jurisprudence, based on the interpretation. The text of the Quran is the same, regardless of the branch. But different people choose different interpretation, at the same time saying, that what is written in the Quran is true.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Sept 14, 2018 2:40:05 GMT
I don't know if this is true, but I've from Muslims that one could only understand the true meaning of the Quran in the Arabic translation. If that is true, that would make Islam nothing more than a cult.
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Post by Elizabeth on Sept 14, 2018 3:18:39 GMT
The division on Sunni and Muslims took place after Muhammad's death as was rather political, about whether Muhammad chose a successor or not. Later other differences occured and there are different schools of jurisprudence, based on the interpretation. The text of the Quran is the same, regardless of the branch. But different people choose different interpretation, at the same time saying, that what is written in the Quran is true. Them choosing their own interpretation is the same as Christians do to form denominations. So what's the difference with them picking on the Christian text meaning through time when they do the same in their religion with their text? It seems hypocritical to me Shrug |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2018 13:16:04 GMT
Muslims in general don't have a bad opinion about the Bible. The whole main message of both, Quran and Bible, is the same, which is "Don't be an asshole". Muslims also base their beliefs on the Hadiths, which explain certain things written in the Quran (which are necessary to know to know what is this all about). I think it also differs in case of Shia and Sunni (and probably Ibadi too, but they are anyhow influencial only in Oman), is about which hadiths are authentic and which are not.
I don't see any hypocrisy. I noticed that Muslims often critisize the concept of Trinity in most of Christian denominations - which is quite understandable. Second thing is that they don't believe Jesus was crucified, but was saved by God instead before dying on the cross (may be wrong here, but pretty much convinced it's the case), and that he was a prophet. But mostly they see how Christianity as a religion has little to do with the Christians. I'm talking about those more educated people, naturally.
There is a difference that Muslims believe in the Quran being the word of God, most accurate, whatever. They differ on how to interprete the Quran, which is unchanged. Same cannot be said about Christian denominations which have differences in translation.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Sept 14, 2018 13:23:38 GMT
The Church fathers treated Islam as a continuation of the heresy of Nestorianism and Arianism. Muhammad was obviously familiar with their creeds. After that, he made up his own heresy(islam) About the split of Islam here well explain but not in English!  |
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Post by Διαμονδ on Sept 14, 2018 13:28:03 GMT
Muslims in general don't have a bad opinion about the Bible. The whole main message of both, Quran and Bible, is the same, which is "Don't be an asshole". Muslims also base their beliefs on the Hadiths, which explain certain things written in the Quran (which are necessary to know to know what is this all about). I think it also differs in case of Shia and Sunni (and probably Ibadi too, but they are anyhow influencial only in Oman), is about which hadiths are authentic and which are not. I don't see any hypocrisy. I noticed that Muslims often critisize the concept of Trinity in most of Christian denominations - which is quite understandable. Second thing is that they don't believe Jesus was crucified, but was saved by God instead before dying on the cross (may be wrong here, but pretty much convinced it's the case), and that he was a prophet. But mostly they see how Christianity as a religion has little to do with the Christians. I'm talking about those more educated people, naturally. There is a difference that Muslims believe in the Quran being the word of God, most accurate, whatever. They differ on how to interprete the Quran, which is unchanged. Same cannot be said about Christian denominations which have differences in translation. I've met Muslims who want to ban the Bible. About Quran here: arktos.boards.net/thread/765/worlds-oldest-carbon-predates-mohammed?page=1 |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2018 13:32:48 GMT
I haven't encountered them but I'm aware they exist and that world is not perfect. Thank you for reminding.  |
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Post by kelly on Sept 16, 2018 13:44:11 GMT
Talking about Muslims, I know too many. Five fingers are not equal thus each Muslim doesn't have the same thinking way... It is main cause of the formation of sects. You know, Prediction was made in early times by Hazrat Muhammad P.B.U.H that 73 sects will be formed. From which, only one would lead to the right path. Quran Teaches everything right only people misunderstand it OR get it to understand in another way..
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2018 14:30:55 GMT
I am not exactly sure if they're called sects or denominations or whatever. But I wasn't aware that there were divisions in Islam as in Christianity until recently. So before I asked my question I want to explain how this question was formed first. I was told that Muslims dislike the Christian bible because it has been rewritten so many times and they think the real meaning is lost and that's why they think we have many denominations in Christianity (which isn't the case at all). So, if the Quran was written perfectly unlike the bible and preserved well unlike the bible (as they claim, of course). So, why do you have denomations and sects too like Christians? My answer to it is the bible and Quran say only one thing whether rewritten or not but people just like to form their own sects from the origional way of following what it says to do in their holy book. Shrug Two causes of sects : Different interpretations of Quran And Add ons!! Supplementary teachings on top of Quran The add ons were purposefully infiltrated with in the teachings to fulfill the propaganda of divide and control . The elites invested in fake clergy and that's the reason Muslim nations can't get along as one, like the empire they had before. So to address your question, main reason that sects were formed was falling in the pits of add ons. Coming to Quran now : It is not a holy book . Let's get that concept out of sight before we move on . Yes the original meaning can never be lost . It can't be re written . The whole book is a symphony . It is so easily memorized all the lengthy chapters . There are so many Muslims all over the world who have it in there hearts . So it is intact the way it is from centuries. What is beautiful that it is only memorized from start till end . You can't just pull one chapter up . So the whole messages remains intact . Even I still remember ton of verses being a former Muslim knowing the fact I am not a native arab speaker nor do I ever regularly re visit the verses . |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2018 14:55:22 GMT
I am not exactly sure if they're called sects or denominations or whatever. But I wasn't aware that there were divisions in Islam as in Christianity until recently. So before I asked my question I want to explain how this question was formed first. I was told that Muslims dislike the Christian bible because it has been rewritten so many times and they think the real meaning is lost and that's why they think we have many denominations in Christianity (which isn't the case at all). So, if the Quran was written perfectly unlike the bible and preserved well unlike the bible (as they claim, of course). So, why do you have denomations and sects too like Christians? My answer to it is the bible and Quran say only one thing whether rewritten or not but people just like to form their own sects from the origional way of following what it says to do in their holy book. Shrug Two causes of sects : Different interpretations of Quran And Add ons!! Supplementary teachings on top of Quran The add ons were purposefully infiltrated with in the teachings to fulfill the propaganda of divide and control . The elites invested in fake clergy and that's the reason Muslim nations can't get along as one, like the empire they had before. So to address your question, main reason that sects were formed was falling in the pits of add ons. Coming to Quran now : It is not a holy book . Let's get that concept out of sight before we move on . Yes the original meaning can never be lost . It can't be re written . The whole book is a symphony . It is so easily memorized all the lengthy chapters . There are so many Muslims all over the world who have it in there hearts . So it is intact the way it is from centuries. What is beautiful that it is only memorized from start till end . You can't just pull one chapter up . So the whole messages remains intact . Even I still remember ton of verses being a former Muslim knowing the fact I am not a native arab speaker nor do I ever regularly re visit the verses . Couldn't agree more that bible and Quran say one thing . Even though they are not divine intervention but written by people . God is not a human who updates his thoughts( Oh Damn bible got changed . Let's type in Quran that can't be changed ) The books are excellent in terms of presenting codes and conduct in life . Written by highly intellectual people when the early modernization took place. It sets out perfect rules on governance, economics, social wellfare etc etc . Rather then promising us fairy tale heaven or eternal doom. With respect to Quran . As it was written by highly rational people who also shed light on theology . It is not in the grasp of a normal person . The early scholars realized this and forsee the damage it would bring and wanted to keep the teachings hidden . Having said all that, it is not wise to even bother reading the English translated Quran which stems from the wrong interpretation in the first place and further distorted that would disturb who ever reads it . We all are one . Please realize this . Stop dividing yourself into fake identities. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2018 14:58:19 GMT
The division on Sunni and Muslims took place after Muhammad's death as was rather political, about whether Muhammad chose a successor or not. Later other differences occured and there are different schools of jurisprudence, based on the interpretation. The text of the Quran is the same, regardless of the branch. But different people choose different interpretation, at the same time saying, that what is written in the Quran is true. Oh yeah! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2018 15:10:10 GMT
I don't know if this is true, but I've from Muslims that one could only understand the true meaning of the Quran in the Arabic translation. If that is true, that would make Islam nothing more than a cult. Even the native arabs have got it all wrong . I got to know this when I taught in Sudan. So due tho this the whole Muslim world is delusional. But yes of course you have to learn the language before you can understand it . Even though everyone gives there own meanings . That is why it is not a universal book in the first place not any book . the universal message of God is LOVE |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2018 15:13:43 GMT
I don't know if this is true, but I've from Muslims that one could only understand the true meaning of the Quran in the Arabic translation. If that is true, that would make Islam nothing more than a cult. Dk . If you can't come up with sophisticated means of communication then don't bother expressing yourself . One could easily call you a part of a cult . You would not like the sound of that would you ? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2018 15:21:14 GMT
Muslims in general don't have a bad opinion about the Bible. The whole main message of both, Quran and Bible, is the same, which is "Don't be an asshole". Muslims also base their beliefs on the Hadiths, which explain certain things written in the Quran (which are necessary to know to know what is this all about). I think it also differs in case of Shia and Sunni (and probably Ibadi too, but they are anyhow influencial only in Oman), is about which hadiths are authentic and which are not. I don't see any hypocrisy. I noticed that Muslims often critisize the concept of Trinity in most of Christian denominations - which is quite understandable. Second thing is that they don't believe Jesus was crucified, but was saved by God instead before dying on the cross (may be wrong here, but pretty much convinced it's the case), and that he was a prophet. But mostly they see how Christianity as a religion has little to do with the Christians. I'm talking about those more educated people, naturally. There is a difference that Muslims believe in the Quran being the word of God, most accurate, whatever. They differ on how to interprete the Quran, which is unchanged. Same cannot be said about Christian denominations which have differences in translation. As a former Muslim I would like to say . Hadiths are teachings of muhammad totally separate from Quran . This was the biggest weapon to mess up the Muslim world to make up any shit you want to and people would not question owing to the fact to who it is from . |
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