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Post by FireFoxAssassin on Aug 31, 2018 16:31:37 GMT
Just wondering how many people think of each and their reasons for it.
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Post by AmericanCharm on Sept 1, 2018 0:53:01 GMT
I used to be hardcore pro-life my opinion has evolved. I said this before I would say I am in the middle. I don’t believe a baby should be able to be aborted past a certain point of development like second term. In cases of rape which make up less than 1% of pregnancies I would say that the female should go to the hospital and be given the morning after pill. But as far tax payer founded abortions, Look how many scum bags have kids and suck up our tax money on their degenerate lives and scumbag children that grow up to be the irresponsible parents that created them. The world doesn't need more people in it. Do people understand the impact of single mothers who impact social services and drain tax payers because they couldn't keep their legs shut? Last year I read a study that said in 2017 more blacks in America were aborted than born. Generally about 40% of them get aborted per year. Lots of poor families and single moms of all races get abortions, it is a form of population control. If abortion were illegal and these kids were not aborted and were born into these broken homes in these ghettos they would soon dramaticly increase in population if not become the majority and impact the country in a massively negative way. I just voted pro choice, but I’m not 100% pro-choice.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Sept 1, 2018 0:57:20 GMT
I used to be hardcore pro-life my opinion has evolved. I said this before I would say I am in the middle. I don’t believe a baby should be able to be aborted past a certain point of development like second term. In cases of rape which make up less than 1% of pregnancies I would say that the female should go to the hospital and be given the morning after pill. But as far tax payer founded abortions, Look how many scum bags have kids and suck up our tax money on their degenerate lives and scumbag children that grow up to be the irresponsible parents that created them. The world doesn't need more people in it. Do people understand the impact of single mothers who impact social services and drain tax payers because they couldn't keep their legs shut? Last year I read a study that said in 2017 more blacks in America were aborted than born. Generally about 40% of them get aborted per year. Lots of poor families and single moms of all races get abortions, it is a form of population control. If abortion were illegal and these kids were not aborted and were born into these broken homes in these ghettos they would soon dramaticly increase in population if not become the majority and impact the country in a massively negative way. I just voted pro choice, but I’m not 100% pro-choice. You don't get to kill people because they are a burden to you or society. I'd rather take that cost than murder people.
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Post by Bigbufyboy85 on Sept 1, 2018 1:04:43 GMT
On a personal level, I think abortion is wrong, unless the woman's life is in danger. On a political level, we have to keep in mind that another human without parents is more wasted resources on a life that probably won't be that good anyway. And what do you think about your life? Prefer to be aborted? I don't think there is any mentally stable person, that would like never to have lived.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Sept 1, 2018 1:08:37 GMT
I used to be hardcore pro-life my opinion has evolved. I said this before I would say I am in the middle. I don’t believe a baby should be able to be aborted past a certain point of development like second term. In cases of rape which make up less than 1% of pregnancies I would say that the female should go to the hospital and be given the morning after pill. But as far tax payer founded abortions, Look how many scum bags have kids and suck up our tax money on their degenerate lives and scumbag children that grow up to be the irresponsible parents that created them. The world doesn't need more people in it. Do people understand the impact of single mothers who impact social services and drain tax payers because they couldn't keep their legs shut? Last year I read a study that said in 2017 more blacks in America were aborted than born. Generally about 40% of them get aborted per year. Lots of poor families and single moms of all races get abortions, it is a form of population control. If abortion were illegal and these kids were not aborted and were born into these broken homes in these ghettos they would soon dramaticly increase in population if not become the majority and impact the country in a massively negative way. I just voted pro choice, but I’m not 100% pro-choice. Also, your justification in killing them being that they're going to grow up to be scum bags, parasites, criminals etc is assuming that all of those children will grow up to be those things. Its like the movie minority report only with less certainty, killing people who haven't been born yet for a crime they have not yet committed and may never commit in the future. You are killing innocents for wrongs that they may or may not do based on only their background and birth parents. Punishing someone for a crime they have not committed because you think that they will commit it is punishing an innocent any way you slice it.
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Post by Bigbufyboy85 on Sept 1, 2018 1:12:12 GMT
I used to be hardcore pro-life my opinion has evolved. I said this before I would say I am in the middle. I don’t believe a baby should be able to be aborted past a certain point of development like second term. In cases of rape which make up less than 1% of pregnancies I would say that the female should go to the hospital and be given the morning after pill. But as far tax payer founded abortions, Look how many scum bags have kids and suck up our tax money on their degenerate lives and scumbag children that grow up to be the irresponsible parents that created them. The world doesn't need more people in it. Do people understand the impact of single mothers who impact social services and drain tax payers because they couldn't keep their legs shut? Last year I read a study that said in 2017 more blacks in America were aborted than born. Generally about 40% of them get aborted per year. Lots of poor families and single moms of all races get abortions, it is a form of population control. If abortion were illegal and these kids were not aborted and were born into these broken homes in these ghettos they would soon dramaticly increase in population if not become the majority and impact the country in a massively negative way. I just voted pro choice, but I’m not 100% pro-choice. Getting an abortion is not a justifiable answer to your poor decisions. Maybe if people were taught to save sex until marriage, or at the very least have safe sex, we wouldn't have this problem. But the world chose to forsake traditional marriage, and throw their bodies out the window, so were left with people like you who have no idea why people are even getting abortions. Wrong assumptions = wrong conclusions. Follow problems to their source.
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Post by AmericanCharm on Sept 1, 2018 1:50:38 GMT
I used to be hardcore pro-life my opinion has evolved. I said this before I would say I am in the middle. I don’t believe a baby should be able to be aborted past a certain point of development like second term. In cases of rape which make up less than 1% of pregnancies I would say that the female should go to the hospital and be given the morning after pill. But as far tax payer founded abortions, Look how many scum bags have kids and suck up our tax money on their degenerate lives and scumbag children that grow up to be the irresponsible parents that created them. The world doesn't need more people in it. Do people understand the impact of single mothers who impact social services and drain tax payers because they couldn't keep their legs shut? Last year I read a study that said in 2017 more blacks in America were aborted than born. Generally about 40% of them get aborted per year. Lots of poor families and single moms of all races get abortions, it is a form of population control. If abortion were illegal and these kids were not aborted and were born into these broken homes in these ghettos they would soon dramaticly increase in population if not become the majority and impact the country in a massively negative way. I just voted pro choice, but I’m not 100% pro-choice. You don't get to kill people because they are a burden to you or society. I'd rather take that cost than murder people. I’d rather have an effective, pleasant, society. Fetuses aren’t indistinguishable from babies, medical evidence shows fetuses cannot live unsupported, even with a respirator before 21 weeks. Scientific consensus tells us that until at least 24 weeks, a fetus cannot feel anything like pain because they do not yet have the brain connections to do so. Another interesting thing to consider is the individuals in this country that commonly are pro-life, it’s only about the fetus, once it’s outside the body they don’t care about the kid having an education provided, healthcare, nutrition, equal opportunity, and so on.
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Post by Bigbufyboy85 on Sept 1, 2018 2:17:42 GMT
You don't get to kill people because they are a burden to you or society. I'd rather take that cost than murder people. I’d rather have an effective, pleasant, society. Fetuses aren’t indistinguishable from babies, medical evidence shows fetuses cannot live unsupported, even with a respirator before 21 weeks. Scientific consensus tells us that until at least 24 weeks, a fetus cannot feel anything like pain because they do not yet have the brain connections to do so. Another interesting thing to consider is the individuals in this country that commonly are pro-life, it’s only about the fetus, once it’s outside the body they don’t care about the kid having an education provided, healthcare, nutrition, equal opportunity, and so on. What do you mean we "don't care about the kid having an education provided, healthcare, nutrition, equal opportunity, and so on."? What is that supposed to mean? Are you talking about some kind of tax-funded support? That is a completely different issue that having an abortion.
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Post by AmericanCharm on Sept 1, 2018 2:27:26 GMT
I used to be hardcore pro-life my opinion has evolved. I said this before I would say I am in the middle. I don’t believe a baby should be able to be aborted past a certain point of development like second term. In cases of rape which make up less than 1% of pregnancies I would say that the female should go to the hospital and be given the morning after pill. But as far tax payer founded abortions, Look how many scum bags have kids and suck up our tax money on their degenerate lives and scumbag children that grow up to be the irresponsible parents that created them. The world doesn't need more people in it. Do people understand the impact of single mothers who impact social services and drain tax payers because they couldn't keep their legs shut? Last year I read a study that said in 2017 more blacks in America were aborted than born. Generally about 40% of them get aborted per year. Lots of poor families and single moms of all races get abortions, it is a form of population control. If abortion were illegal and these kids were not aborted and were born into these broken homes in these ghettos they would soon dramaticly increase in population if not become the majority and impact the country in a massively negative way. I just voted pro choice, but I’m not 100% pro-choice. Getting an abortion is not a justifiable answer to your poor decisions. Maybe if people were taught to save sex until marriage, or at the very least have safe sex, we wouldn't have this problem. But the world chose to forsake traditional marriage, and throw their bodies out the window, so were left with people like you who have no idea why people are even getting abortions. Wrong assumptions = wrong conclusions. Follow problems to their source. I think cheaper birth control should be available as well as free condoms, as well as taking other measures to prevent unwanted pregnancy. I don’t agree with promiscuity being promoted but most people are going to have sex regardless and don’t desire to live life according to the bible. I think ground rules need to be set that abortion isn’t used as a form birth control, that if the mother is financially capable of supporting the child the option to abort shouldn’t be there, and lastly none past the second term. Unwanted children born into broken homes, in poverty, create a problem for any functioning society. Seventy-three percent of women seeking abortions do so because they’re financially unready to have a child. So I am aware why, that a very odd and ignorant conclusion. I’ve read legal abortions are considerably safer than childbirth. Pregnancy is its entirety is grueling both mentally and physically. 95 percent of first-time mothers experience vaginal tearing, it can cause gestational diabetes, hemorrhoids, and many other problems. Many women’s bodies certainly never look the same after and many aren’t the same. So I think pregnancy definitely poses at the very least a similar risk to damaging a woman’s body.
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Post by Bigbufyboy85 on Sept 1, 2018 2:46:55 GMT
Getting an abortion is not a justifiable answer to your poor decisions. Maybe if people were taught to save sex until marriage, or at the very least have safe sex, we wouldn't have this problem. But the world chose to forsake traditional marriage, and throw their bodies out the window, so were left with people like you who have no idea why people are even getting abortions. Wrong assumptions = wrong conclusions. Follow problems to their source. I think cheaper birth control should be available as well as free condoms, as well as taking other measures to prevent unwanted pregnancy. I don’t agree with promiscuity being promoted but most people are going to have sex regardless and don’t desire to live life according to the bible. I think ground rules need to be set that abortion isn’t used as a form birth control, that if the mother is financially capable of supporting the child the option to abort shouldn’t be there, and lastly none past the second term. Unwanted children born into broken homes, in poverty, create a problem for any functioning society. Seventy-three percent of women seeking abortions do so because they’re financially unready to have a child. So I am aware why, that a very odd and ignorant conclusion. I’ve read legal abortions are considerably safer than childbirth. Pregnancy is its entirety is grueling both mentally and physically. 95 percent of first-time mothers experience vaginal tearing, it can cause gestational diabetes, hemorrhoids, and many other problems. Many women’s bodies certainly never look the same after and many aren’t the same. So I think pregnancy definitely poses at the very least a similar risk to damaging a woman’s body. "I've read legal abortions are considerably safer than childbirth." For the baby, or the mother? facepalm If someone is a burden to their mother, the mother doesn't get to kill the baby. If someone is a burden to society, society can't kill that person. If ANYONE is a burden to ANYONE, that doesn't justify killing that person. I think the question of the baby being born into poverty, as I said before, is a separate issue, but you said: "if the mother is financially capable of supporting the child the option to abort shouldn’t be there" If it's wrong if the mother ISN'T "financially capable", why is it okay if she IS "financially capable"? Finally the free birth control. I saved this for last because this has nothing to do with abortions. Everything costs money. Nothing is truly "free". So who should be paying for the 'free birth control'? Tax-payers? You pay taxes right? So basically, you would be buying your own condoms. How does that solve anything?
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Post by Elizabeth on Sept 1, 2018 2:47:36 GMT
You don't get to kill people because they are a burden to you or society. I'd rather take that cost than murder people. I’d rather have an effective, pleasant, society. Fetuses aren’t indistinguishable from babies, medical evidence shows fetuses cannot live unsupported, even with a respirator before 21 weeks. Scientific consensus tells us that until at least 24 weeks, a fetus cannot feel anything like pain because they do not yet have the brain connections to do so. Another interesting thing to consider is the individuals in this country that commonly are pro-life, it’s only about the fetus, once it’s outside the body they don’t care about the kid having an education provided, healthcare, nutrition, equal opportunity, and so on. There are adults and others living today that are much alive but can't feel pain so pain (or lack of) has nothing to do with being alive en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congenital_insensitivity_to_painAnd of course there are people who are alive who cannot live unsupported either like those in a coma or something else. But they're very much alive just slightly restrained temporarily. But also in the video that dk posted the ex parent planning employee stopped doing abortions after the first abortion. She said the baby was fighting her as she tried to kill it. After that she quit her job because she couldn't murder babies being a mother herself But to each his own beliefs Shrug
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Post by AmericanCharm on Sept 1, 2018 3:07:58 GMT
I think cheaper birth control should be available as well as free condoms, as well as taking other measures to prevent unwanted pregnancy. I don’t agree with promiscuity being promoted but most people are going to have sex regardless and don’t desire to live life according to the bible. I think ground rules need to be set that abortion isn’t used as a form birth control, that if the mother is financially capable of supporting the child the option to abort shouldn’t be there, and lastly none past the second term. Unwanted children born into broken homes, in poverty, create a problem for any functioning society. Seventy-three percent of women seeking abortions do so because they’re financially unready to have a child. So I am aware why, that a very odd and ignorant conclusion. I’ve read legal abortions are considerably safer than childbirth. Pregnancy is its entirety is grueling both mentally and physically. 95 percent of first-time mothers experience vaginal tearing, it can cause gestational diabetes, hemorrhoids, and many other problems. Many women’s bodies certainly never look the same after and many aren’t the same. So I think pregnancy definitely poses at the very least a similar risk to damaging a woman’s body. "I've read legal abortions are considerably safer than childbirth." For the baby, or the mother? If someone is a burden to their mother, the mother doesn't get to kill the baby. If someone is a burden to society, society can't kill that person. If ANYONE is a burden to ANYONE, that doesn't justify killing that person. I think the question of the baby being born into poverty, as I said before, is a separate issue, but you said: "if the mother is financially capable of supporting the child the option to abort shouldn’t be there" If it's wrong if the mother ISN'T "financially capable", why is it okay if she IS "financially capable"? Finally the free birth control. I saved this for last because this has nothing to do with abortions. Everything costs money. Nothing is truly "free". So who should be paying for the 'free birth control'? Tax-payers? You pay taxes right? So basically, you would be buying your own condoms. How does that solve anything? I was responding to your comment about the mother’s bodies being destroyed. For your second statement I have no interest in the “moral” choice, I care what is the choice that creates a more pleasant and efficient society. My point about the financial situation has to do with the fact of these kids being born into ghettos with no equal opportunity the other things I already stated. I think from a moral perspective I won’t see eye to eye because for me it’s not about the Christian choice it’s about the society I personally want to live in. My comment about condoms isn’t so much for the everyday average American to prevent pregnancy but for the poor class and prevention of STDs. A more important thing would be birth control, they can cost north of 40$ a month, a lot of these bums and ghetto teens don’t have the money for it and it creates a cycle of pregnancies.
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Post by Bigbufyboy85 on Sept 1, 2018 3:35:48 GMT
"I've read legal abortions are considerably safer than childbirth." For the baby, or the mother? If someone is a burden to their mother, the mother doesn't get to kill the baby. If someone is a burden to society, society can't kill that person. If ANYONE is a burden to ANYONE, that doesn't justify killing that person. I think the question of the baby being born into poverty, as I said before, is a separate issue, but you said: "if the mother is financially capable of supporting the child the option to abort shouldn’t be there" If it's wrong if the mother ISN'T "financially capable", why is it okay if she IS "financially capable"? Finally the free birth control. I saved this for last because this has nothing to do with abortions. Everything costs money. Nothing is truly "free". So who should be paying for the 'free birth control'? Tax-payers? You pay taxes right? So basically, you would be buying your own condoms. How does that solve anything? I was responding to your comment about the mother’s bodies being destroyed. For your second statement I have no interest in the “moral” choice, I care what is the choice that creates a more pleasant and efficient society. My point about the financial situation has to do with the fact of these kids being born into ghettos with no equal opportunity the other things I already stated. I think from a moral perspective I won’t see eye to eye because for me it’s not about the Christian choice it’s about the society I personally want to live in. My comment about condoms isn’t so much for the everyday average American to prevent pregnancy but for the poor class and prevention of STDs. A more important thing would be birth control, they can cost north of 40$ a month, a lot of these bums and ghetto teens don’t have the money for it and it creates a cycle of pregnancies. The fact that you said "I have no interest in the 'moral' choice" disqualifies you from any kind of rational conversation. By that logic, ANYTHING can be justified.
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Post by FireFoxAssassin on Sept 1, 2018 13:21:24 GMT
That analogy doesn't compare, because a doll can't learn anything- it is literally a piece of plastic. But computers can learn everything and anything the world has to offer- and become our friends and family. Yes they do all these things for the child to receive information- doesn't mean they understand what's happening to them though. How do they learn? They can only be programmed. But there are also dolls powered by technology that my high school used to give in parenting class. Basically the male and the female in the class got a baby to take care of for a month. And basically it's programmed that the baby will stay quiet so long without human touch. You're supposed to change it too (you were given several clothes) and you were supposed to give it the bottle (the teacher provided special bottles). Anyway, the technology is random. It's just programmed to cry every so often and calm down the more you hold it. Some of the students were mad in the mornings with the baby waking them up at night like 5 times! . And if it starts crying in your classes (you're required to bring it to all your classes) then you're facing more trouble calming it down especially during exams . Anyway that baby was cool. I never had one since my parents wouldn't let me take the class. But as I said technology is programmed and it breaks too. "How do they learn? They can only be programmed." I don't think you understand how AIs work so just forget that I asked the question.
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Post by FireFoxAssassin on Sept 1, 2018 13:24:37 GMT
Oops I think I accidentally sparked an argument instead of a discussion shrug
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Post by FireFoxAssassin on Sept 1, 2018 13:27:49 GMT
Oh alright, but I would still consider myself a waste of space when someone else could use it (like an abortion for example :D) This is a very extreme and most would say immoral position for one to have. To say that you are allowed to kill someone who is in a coma (or rather someone who's not conscious) that will most likely and lets say for this example will 100% definitely wake up and be none the worse for it because they are, "a waste of space" is unconscionable to me and to most of the human race. If this is what the pro choice side truly believes than I understand why it is so hard to convince them that abortion is murder. Ours is a moral argument and it falls on deaf ears because pro choicers seem to have no morality at all. Just because of how I believe in pro-choice doesn't mean everyone thinks the same in pro-choice. If I had to give general arguments for pro-choice it would be stuff like overpopulation, "accidents" during sex, dire problems for the mother, financial problems, etc.
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