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Post by FireFoxAssassin on Aug 31, 2018 16:31:37 GMT
Just wondering how many people think of each and their reasons for it.
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Post by FireFoxAssassin on Sept 1, 2018 13:28:47 GMT
Kinda difficult when i've had this self-esteem problem for 5 years. Also how do you do that emoji? (the one that is shrugging) Do you have siblings? Maybe being an only child doesn't help with self esteem. And just write the word S h r u g without spaces Or click the smiley face icon in reply box to see a list of emojis! Yes, I have 4 other siblings, and thanks.
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Post by FireFoxAssassin on Sept 1, 2018 13:31:19 GMT
FireFoxAssassin The problem with the computer argument is that no computer today is anywhere near sentient and shows no sign of developing sentience. When a sperm fertilizes an egg and the fertilized egg starts growing, when left to its own devices it will become a sentient human being. If you leave our computers to their own devices they will not develop sentience, they will stay the same. Computers do not grow into sentience with time and are not in it of themselves potential sentience in the same manner as a fertilized egg. Thus only when an AI is created that does have proven sentience should it be granted the same rights and respect as a human life. Whether a machine can truly be created to be sentient in the way as a human being is another debate to be had entirely. I agree. AIs now cannot become as complex enough to simulate a human. The point I was trying to make if and when AIs become so good that they effectively become "sentient", but that's a can of worms for another thread.
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Post by FireFoxAssassin on Sept 1, 2018 13:35:06 GMT
On a personal level, I think abortion is wrong, unless the woman's life is in danger. On a political level, we have to keep in mind that another human without parents is more wasted resources on a life that probably won't be that good anyway. And what do you think about your life? Prefer to be aborted? I don't think there is any mentally stable person, that would like never to have lived. Oh boy this has reminded me of the "Quality of Life" argument. It suggests if the child is estimated to have a bad life, such as no parents or living in bad conditions, they shouldn't be born because of their future pain they might bear. What's your thoughts on this?
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Post by Bigbufyboy85 on Sept 1, 2018 20:12:18 GMT
And what do you think about your life? Prefer to be aborted? I don't think there is any mentally stable person, that would like never to have lived. Oh boy this has reminded me of the "Quality of Life" argument. It suggests if the child is estimated to have a bad life, such as no parents or living in bad conditions, they shouldn't be born because of their future pain they might bear. What's your thoughts on this? Firs of all, you cannot predetermine someone's life. Everyone should have their chance to make something of themselves. Life doesn't have different value according to where you were born, the wealth you were born into, etc. "All men are created equal." Thomas Jefferson.
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Post by Bigbufyboy85 on Sept 1, 2018 20:14:03 GMT
This is a very extreme and most would say immoral position for one to have. To say that you are allowed to kill someone who is in a coma (or rather someone who's not conscious) that will most likely and lets say for this example will 100% definitely wake up and be none the worse for it because they are, "a waste of space" is unconscionable to me and to most of the human race. If this is what the pro choice side truly believes than I understand why it is so hard to convince them that abortion is murder. Ours is a moral argument and it falls on deaf ears because pro choicers seem to have no morality at all. Just because of how I believe in pro-choice doesn't mean everyone thinks the same in pro-choice. If I had to give general arguments for pro-choice it would be stuff like overpopulation, "accidents" during sex, dire problems for the mother, financial problems, etc. I don't think any of those reasons can justify abortion.
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Post by FireFoxAssassin on Sept 1, 2018 21:23:59 GMT
Oh boy this has reminded me of the "Quality of Life" argument. It suggests if the child is estimated to have a bad life, such as no parents or living in bad conditions, they shouldn't be born because of their future pain they might bear. What's your thoughts on this? First of all, you cannot predetermine someone's life. Everyone should have their chance to make something of themselves. Life doesn't have different value according to where you were born, the wealth you were born into, etc. "All men are created equal." Thomas Jefferson. To a certain degree I agree (unintentional rhyme), but even so, there will always be many handfuls of children who will suffer from living life in poor conditions when they could've been aborted and wouldn't need to feel that pain.
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Post by FireFoxAssassin on Sept 1, 2018 21:25:11 GMT
Just because of how I believe in pro-choice doesn't mean everyone thinks the same in pro-choice. If I had to give general arguments for pro-choice it would be stuff like overpopulation, "accidents" during sex, dire problems for the mother, financial problems, etc. I don't think any of those reasons can justify abortion. Ye it's your opinion, and many others will think with you or against you. It's been fun learning your view on abortion. Thanks
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2018 2:44:58 GMT
I don't know what is it pro-choice and pro-life, but from context in, perhaps, can be derived. I was thinking about it, maybe not so often. 1) We have memory. 2) An ability of memory is to accumulate an info from an external world. 3) The external info depends on what we've been dealing with. 4) If info was like a brick it can be put 'to a right shelf'. Info is a bit of neuronic ability to keep it. Despite of what is it, it is out of our control. 5) Behavior and appearence of us is the results of philogenesis. 6) Philogenesis supposes that an object has an ability of memorizing, because the opposite guess is impossible. 7) The accumulated info is wider than an actual of an individual mind, therefore there are two types of info 'a made one' which is to be our view, look, appearance, amd 'a shaky one' which is to be ontogenesis - info since our birth. 8) In 'shaky' info we can accent on more basis and less basis functions. More basis - is necessary knowledge of the external world this time, this year etc. So, it reflects many basis features from the nature. 9) The more shaky that info is, the more easy someone can release. (leave) this info. 10) We're what we swallowed: we are the sum of many features like the previous experience and nature of us (DNA, blood, body structure etc), and more late things what we captured later during our life. 11) So, the longer we live, the more highly different we become, if the more individual experience is, the more individual it becomes. 12) We can self identify themselves only with an ability of thinking and memory.
So, the longer we live, the more individual we become (it seems possible to live long, but without getting more individual. - it leads from our wish to master it...
Therefore, the more hard question is, the more experience we'll require to solve it more carefully. Because our experience is not just a trash, but our core things. ...Shortly, - pro-life.
The more people we would have, the more precisely knowledge we would have, if also the knowledge would be mastered.
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Post by Elizabeth on Sept 2, 2018 8:41:29 GMT
To be honest I thought it would be more pro choice but I'm happy with the results overall
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Post by ainsley on Sept 2, 2018 19:15:16 GMT
Pro life. I think that it is unconscionable to take innocent human life and that is what abortion is no matter which way you swing it. Would the woman be obligated to bear the fetus/child if it puts her in great danger?
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Post by ainsley on Sept 2, 2018 19:28:08 GMT
To be honest I thought it would be more pro choice but I'm happy with the results overall I'm pro choice
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Post by FireFoxAssassin on Sept 2, 2018 20:29:13 GMT
To be honest I thought it would be more pro choice but I'm happy with the results overall I'm unsure how you thought the pro-choice option would be greater on this forum. Most of their active members are christians and there are obvious ties between christianity and abortion (and flat earth for some reason ), and because of this, it's obvious which one would come out on top.
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Post by Bigbufyboy85 on Sept 2, 2018 21:26:11 GMT
Pro life. I think that it is unconscionable to take innocent human life and that is what abortion is no matter which way you swing it. Would the woman be obligated to bear the fetus/child if it puts her in great danger? What kind of danger? What are you referring to?
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Post by ainsley on Sept 2, 2018 22:53:58 GMT
Preeclampsia is one. From semi personal experience I can tell you that I would've lost my aunt, if she didn't abort her child. She wasn't fond with it coz she hoped the medication would help with time, but it didn't. If she kept waiting, both she and the baby would've died. Pro-life people don't take many things into consideration. The only thing they care about is not "killing" the fetus/baby. Would the woman be obligated to bear the fetus/child if it puts her in great danger? What kind of danger? What are you referring to?
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Post by Elizabeth on Sept 2, 2018 22:54:48 GMT
Pro life. I think that it is unconscionable to take innocent human life and that is what abortion is no matter which way you swing it. Would the woman be obligated to bear the fetus/child if it puts her in great danger? I would do it. My friend did too when her doctor told her to abort and she told the doctor no. Shrug
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