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Post by FireFoxAssassin on Aug 31, 2018 16:31:37 GMT
Just wondering how many people think of each and their reasons for it.
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Post by Elizabeth on Sept 1, 2018 0:14:13 GMT
1. You said that your definition of life can "grow", and AI can also grow through learning new stuff and evolve consistently. Is that not life to you? 2. No they are not- They don't understand anything when they are in the womb, the only thing they can do is pick up information and unknowingly practise generic human stuff (like swallowing). Computers are not lives....no. They're technology. Like a doll isn't human...it's a piece of plastic. You didn't watch the video? But yes they understand in the womb there are many videos about it. Many pregnant women put earphones on their belly to calm thr baby. They also speak to it and stuff for it to react. And it reacts. Parents are recommended to speak to it and spend time with it while it's in the womb actually. Very healthy for its growth and development! |
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Post by FireFoxAssassin on Sept 1, 2018 0:15:08 GMT
Oh alright, but I would still consider myself a waste of space when someone else could use it (like an abortion for example :D) Sounds like you enjoy death  No I just have reallllyyyy low self-esteem. |
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Post by Elizabeth on Sept 1, 2018 0:16:46 GMT
Sounds like you enjoy death No I just have reallllyyyy low self-esteem. Aw noooo. Stop that! Raise it up! You got 20 seconds xD |
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Post by FireFoxAssassin on Sept 1, 2018 0:18:49 GMT
1. You said that your definition of life can "grow", and AI can also grow through learning new stuff and evolve consistently. Is that not life to you? 2. No they are not- They don't understand anything when they are in the womb, the only thing they can do is pick up information and unknowingly practise generic human stuff (like swallowing). Computers are not lives....no. They're technology. Like a doll isn't human...it's a piece of plastic. You didn't watch the video? But yes they understand in the womb there are many videos about it. Many pregnant women put earphones on their belly to calm thr baby. They also speak to it and stuff for it to react. And it reacts. Parents are recommended to speak to it and spend time with it while it's in the womb actually. Very healthy for its growth and development! That analogy doesn't compare, because a doll can't learn anything- it is literally a piece of plastic. But computers can learn everything and anything the world has to offer- and become our friends and family. Yes they do all these things for the child to receive information- doesn't mean they understand what's happening to them though. |
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Post by Bigbufyboy85 on Sept 1, 2018 0:20:24 GMT
So if you were in a coma, would you have a problem with someone killing you? Nope, by that point I would have very little chance of recovery and I would be wasting space that could easily save someone else. Most studies I looked at are very hard to understand, but this one seems pretty clear. (there is a scale of intensity that makes an overall gauge difficult.) With a 50.8% recovery rate by this study: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2798060/The normal survival rate ranges from 90% if it is less severe, to about 10% if it is very severe. By these numbers I would say you are wrong. |
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Post by FireFoxAssassin on Sept 1, 2018 0:20:55 GMT
No I just have reallllyyyy low self-esteem. Aw noooo. Stop that! Raise it up! You got 20 seconds xD Kinda difficult when i've had this self-esteem problem for 5 years. Also how do you do that emoji? (the one that is shrugging) |
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Post by FireFoxAssassin on Sept 1, 2018 0:21:59 GMT
Nope, by that point I would have very little chance of recovery and I would be wasting space that could easily save someone else. Most studies I looked at are very hard to understand, but this one seems pretty clear. (there is a scale of intensity that makes an overall gauge difficult.) With a 50.8% recovery rate by this study: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2798060/The normal survival rate ranges from 90% if it is less severe, to about 10% if it is very severe. By these numbers I would say you are wrong. I guess I am. But despite this, I would still consider myself a waste of space. |
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Post by FireFoxAssassin on Sept 1, 2018 0:22:36 GMT
Anyway I need sleep, have fun or whatever
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Post by DKTrav88 on Sept 1, 2018 0:26:17 GMT
Computers are not lives....no. They're technology. Like a doll isn't human...it's a piece of plastic. You didn't watch the video? But yes they understand in the womb there are many videos about it. Many pregnant women put earphones on their belly to calm thr baby. They also speak to it and stuff for it to react. And it reacts. Parents are recommended to speak to it and spend time with it while it's in the womb actually. Very healthy for its growth and development! That analogy doesn't compare, because a doll can't learn anything- it is literally a piece of plastic. But computers can learn everything and anything the world has to offer- and become our friends and family. Yes they do all these things for the child to receive information- doesn't mean they understand what's happening to them though. “But computers can learn everything and anything the world has to offer- and become our friends and family.” This literally sounds like something from a movie.. a movie called Terminator 2; do you own a T800? They have neural-net processors, learning CPUs... All jokes aside, does a computer fight for its life when it’s being destroyed piece by piece? |
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Post by Elizabeth on Sept 1, 2018 0:27:21 GMT
Computers are not lives....no. They're technology. Like a doll isn't human...it's a piece of plastic. You didn't watch the video? But yes they understand in the womb there are many videos about it. Many pregnant women put earphones on their belly to calm thr baby. They also speak to it and stuff for it to react. And it reacts. Parents are recommended to speak to it and spend time with it while it's in the womb actually. Very healthy for its growth and development! That analogy doesn't compare, because a doll can't learn anything- it is literally a piece of plastic. But computers can learn everything and anything the world has to offer- and become our friends and family. Yes they do all these things for the child to receive information- doesn't mean they understand what's happening to them though. How do they learn? They can only be programmed. But there are also dolls powered by technology that my high school used to give in parenting class. Basically the male and the female in the class got a baby to take care of for a month. And basically it's programmed that the baby will stay quiet so long without human touch. You're supposed to change it too (you were given several clothes) and you were supposed to give it the bottle (the teacher provided special bottles). Anyway, the technology is random. It's just programmed to cry every so often and calm down the more you hold it. Some of the students were mad in the mornings with the baby waking them up at night like 5 times!  . And if it starts crying in your classes (you're required to bring it to all your classes) then you're facing more trouble calming it down especially during exams . Anyway that baby was cool. I never had one since my parents wouldn't let me take the class. But as I said technology is programmed and it breaks too. |
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Sept 1, 2018 0:27:59 GMT
Most comas only last a few weeks Oh alright, but I would still consider myself a waste of space when someone else could use it (like an abortion for example :D) This is a very extreme and most would say immoral position for one to have. To say that you are allowed to kill someone who is in a coma (or rather someone who's not conscious) that will most likely and lets say for this example will 100% definitely wake up and be none the worse for it because they are, "a waste of space" is unconscionable to me and to most of the human race. If this is what the pro choice side truly believes than I understand why it is so hard to convince them that abortion is murder. Ours is a moral argument and it falls on deaf ears because pro choicers seem to have no morality at all. |
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Post by Elizabeth on Sept 1, 2018 0:30:04 GMT
Aw noooo. Stop that! Raise it up! You got 20 seconds xD Kinda difficult when i've had this self-esteem problem for 5 years. Also how do you do that emoji? (the one that is shrugging) Do you have siblings? Maybe being an only child doesn't help with self esteem. And just write the word S h r u g without spaces  Or click the smiley face icon in reply box to see a list of emojis! |
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Post by DKTrav88 on Sept 1, 2018 0:38:07 GMT
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Sept 1, 2018 0:40:44 GMT
FireFoxAssassin The problem with the computer argument is that no computer today is anywhere near sentient and shows no sign of developing sentience. When a sperm fertilizes an egg and the fertilized egg starts growing, when left to its own devices it will become a sentient human being. If you leave our computers to their own devices they will not develop sentience, they will stay the same. Computers do not grow into sentience with time and are not in it of themselves potential sentience in the same manner as a fertilized egg. Thus only when an AI is created that does have proven sentience should it be granted the same rights and respect as a human life. Whether a machine can truly be created to be sentient in the way as a human being is another debate to be had entirely.
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Post by Ace on Sept 1, 2018 0:46:22 GMT
On a personal level, I think abortion is wrong, unless the woman's life is in danger. On a political level, we have to keep in mind that another human without parents is more wasted resources on a life that probably won't be that good anyway.
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. And if it starts crying in your classes (you're required to bring it to all your classes) then you're facing more trouble calming it down especially during exams 
