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Post by Elizabeth on Aug 2, 2018 4:33:04 GMT
Apostles John and Peter preached Jesus as the stone to all people in the below verses. Acts 4:10-12 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Only the stone saves which is also the chief cornerstone.
And these apostles encountered threats and so on from the people. Some apostles fell away later and some held on strong. Are you brave enough to spread Jesus as the stone who provides salvation no matter what?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2018 5:10:46 GMT
Sorry but there is no contemporary historian who mentions him or any of his alleged miracles. Not a single one. No Roman records of him. No artifacts. Nothing.
Later references (Josephus, Seutonius, etc) are mostly interpolations by Christian forgers and, at best, just record what Christians believed. None of it is a first-hand account of anything.
Even the Jewish Talmud mentions Jesus and Him followers....they insult Him and His miracles.. like His Jewish opponents, the Pharisees in the texts of the Gospel. His enemies confirmed His existence...His crucifixes and miracles. Though they have their own heretical understanding of this situation. Citation please.
We were discussing the historicity of Jesus, not Pontius Pilate.
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Post by Elizabeth on Oct 5, 2018 5:12:03 GMT
welcome aboard fellow freethinker to our beloved community Thank you very much. I was just banned from a theist-managed forum run by a Soup Nazi-like character (Seinfeld). That makes me a refugee I guess. I hope this forum has more impartial moderation.
Are there any better quality theists here than the ones I have encountered so far? I was hoping for some intellectual stimulation. No, we like nonreligious people. Especially for staff! You should be fine here it's free speech.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2018 5:12:48 GMT
Jesus is a mythical character. Even his alleged home city of Nazareth is a myth. It didn't exist in the 1st century. More a case of relying on a house of cards than a stone. Sorry.
This is the view of mysticists. Are you into mysticism? You seem to be confused. The word you may be looking for is "mythicist".
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Post by DKTrav88 on Oct 5, 2018 5:14:37 GMT
This is the view of mysticists. Are you into mysticism? You seem to be confused. The word you may be looking for is "mythicist". Autocorrect is wonderful thing...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2018 5:20:31 GMT
You can't trust a biased Christian web-site. I have already explained that there are no contemporary historians who were aware of Jesus. Later references are mostly forgery or merely note what Christians at the time believed. That is only evidence for belief, not for historicity.
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Post by Elizabeth on Oct 5, 2018 5:22:17 GMT
You can't trust a biased Christian web-site. I have already explained that there are no contemporary historians who were aware of Jesus. Later references are mostly forgery or merely note what Christians at the time believed. That is only evidence for belief, not for historicity. It's a news site not Christian site. Shrug
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2018 5:22:36 GMT
Thank you very much. I was just banned from a theist-managed forum run by a Soup Nazi-like character (Seinfeld). That makes me a refugee I guess. I hope this forum has more impartial moderation.
Are there any better quality theists here than the ones I have encountered so far? I was hoping for some intellectual stimulation. No, we like nonreligious people. Especially for staff! You should be fine here it's free speech. Great. I'm starting to feel at home already.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Oct 5, 2018 5:26:33 GMT
This is the view of mysticists. Are you into mysticism? You seem to be confused. The word you may be looking for is "mythicist". But there isn't really a difference shrug
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2018 5:28:58 GMT
You seem to be confused. The word you may be looking for is "mythicist". Autocorrect is wonderful thing... Ah. Then the answer to your question is yes. I believe, based on the evidence (and lack thereof), that the story of Jesus is a case of myth-making borrowing heavily from the Septuagint and so-called pagan mythology. There may have been one or more humans on which Jesus is very loosely based (eg. Jesus ben Ananias) but the entire story is almost complete fabrication from start to finish.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Oct 5, 2018 5:31:27 GMT
Autocorrect is wonderful thing... Ah. Then the answer to your question is yes. I believe, based on the evidence (and lack thereof), that the story of Jesus is a case of myth-making borrowing heavily from the Septuagint and so-called pagan mythology. There may have been one or more humans on which Jesus is very loosely based (eg. Jesus ben Ananias) but the entire story is almost complete fabrication from start to finish. Interesting... You know, there's actually a really good way of figuring out whether you're right about the whole atheism thing. You ever tried praying?
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Post by DKTrav88 on Oct 5, 2018 5:31:38 GMT
Autocorrect is wonderful thing... Ah. Then the answer to your question is yes. I believe, based on the evidence (and lack thereof), that the story of Jesus is a case of myth-making borrowing heavily from the Septuagint and so-called pagan mythology. There may have been one or more humans on which Jesus is very loosely based (eg. Jesus ben Ananias) but the entire story is almost complete fabrication from start to finish. You can believe whatever you want shrug
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2018 5:32:52 GMT
You can't trust a biased Christian web-site. I have already explained that there are no contemporary historians who were aware of Jesus. Later references are mostly forgery or merely note what Christians at the time believed. That is only evidence for belief, not for historicity. It's a news site not Christian site. Are you serious?
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Post by DKTrav88 on Oct 5, 2018 5:34:39 GMT
It's a news site not Christian site. Are you serious?
Why should we believe your atheist biased source? facepalm
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2018 5:34:54 GMT
You seem to be confused. The word you may be looking for is "mythicist". But there isn't really a difference You and Elizabeth should really invest in a dictionary.
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Post by Elizabeth on Oct 5, 2018 5:35:08 GMT
It's a news site not Christian site. Are you serious?
Yeah, they do news too. I am serious! Shrug
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