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Post by Elizabeth on Aug 2, 2018 4:33:04 GMT
Apostles John and Peter preached Jesus as the stone to all people in the below verses. Acts 4:10-12 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Only the stone saves which is also the chief cornerstone.
And these apostles encountered threats and so on from the people. Some apostles fell away later and some held on strong. Are you brave enough to spread Jesus as the stone who provides salvation no matter what?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2018 8:47:43 GMT
You can start with mine and work from there. Or you can just pray generally pray that if there is a God that he will reveal himself in whatever form he takes. As I understand it that's DKTrav88's story of how he became a Christian. He prayed that if there was a God he'd reveal to him who he was and which religion is true, and the God of the Bible revealed himself to him. I just prayed to the Christian God and nothing happened. I then tried praying to Allah and still nothing happened.
What's next?
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Post by DKTrav88 on Oct 5, 2018 16:11:31 GMT
Oh, I see. This magical man came to Earth, performed numerous miracles, walked on water, cured blindness, fed thousands on a single loaf of bread, turned water into wine, raised people from the dead (including himself), had multitudes follow him and welcome him into Jerusalem and no contemporary historian noticed a single thing out of the ordinary and worth putting pen to paper for. No Roman official thought it worthwhile to send a report to Rome. That's believable. Not. I’m sorry you feel that way shrug Does it bother you so much that you feel you need to try to turn people away from believing in Christ?
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Post by DKTrav88 on Oct 5, 2018 16:23:17 GMT
You can start with mine and work from there. Or you can just pray generally pray that if there is a God that he will reveal himself in whatever form he takes. As I understand it that's DKTrav88's story of how he became a Christian. He prayed that if there was a God he'd reveal to him who he was and which religion is true, and the God of the Bible revealed himself to him. I just prayed to the Christian God and nothing happened. I then tried praying to Allah and still nothing happened.
What's next?
How did you pray? What did you pray for? Were you sincere? Why did you pray to the Muslim god?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2018 23:29:04 GMT
Apostles John and Peter preached Jesus as the stone to all people in the below verses. Acts 4:10-12 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Only the stone saves which is also the chief cornerstone.
And these apostles encountered threats and so on from the people. Some apostles fell away later and some held on strong. Are you brave enough to spread Jesus as the stone who provides salvation no matter what?
Stone? I thought he was a God figure for u guys. Educate me on this history
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2018 23:33:19 GMT
Mr Black means the following. It's not in grasp of minds of people who can't look further than one book.
I looked for God. I went to a temple and I didn't find him there. Then I went to a church and I didn't find him there. The I went to a mosque and I didn't find him there. Then finally I looked in my heart and there he was.
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Post by DKTrav88 on Oct 5, 2018 23:35:51 GMT
Mr Black means the following. It's not in grasp of minds of people who can't look further than one book. I looked for God. I went to a temple and I didn't find him there. Then I went to a church and I didn't find him there. The I went to a mosque and I didn't find him there. Then finally I looked in my heart and there he was. What makes you think we haven't looked at any other books?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2018 23:38:14 GMT
Sorry but there is no contemporary historian who mentions him or any of his alleged miracles. Not a single one. No Roman records of him. No artifacts. Nothing.
Later references (Josephus, Seutonius, etc) are mostly interpolations by Christian forgers and, at best, just record what Christians believed. None of it is a first-hand account of anything.
Even the Jewish Talmud mentions Jesus and Him followers....they insult Him and His miracles.. like His Jewish opponents, the Pharisees in the texts of the Gospel. His enemies confirmed His existence...His crucifixes and miracles. Though they have their own heretical understanding of this situation. In addition, the tomb of Pontius Pilate was found! Old testament was written before Christ. So how in the world it can have an account of Jesus??
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Post by DKTrav88 on Oct 5, 2018 23:41:42 GMT
Even the Jewish Talmud mentions Jesus and Him followers....they insult Him and His miracles.. like His Jewish opponents, the Pharisees in the texts of the Gospel. His enemies confirmed His existence...His crucifixes and miracles. Though they have their own heretical understanding of this situation. In addition, the tomb of Pontius Pilate was found! Old testament was written before Christ. So how in the world it can have an account of Jesus?? The Talmud isn't part of the OT, it is a completely separate book of commentaries by rabbis. But regardless, the OT prophesies of the coming of Christ.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2018 23:52:59 GMT
Mr Black means the following. It's not in grasp of minds of people who can't look further than one book. I looked for God. I went to a temple and I didn't find him there. Then I went to a church and I didn't find him there. The I went to a mosque and I didn't find him there. Then finally I looked in my heart and there he was. What makes you think we haven't looked at any other books? Oh am I unblocked Dk. If u had explored in other intellectual reads. Contemplated human existence, engage in critical analysis. Shared and discussed ideas with people with contrasting audience. Opened up your mind to absorbing various perspectives, challenged your cognitive dissonance and emptied your programmed mind and started off things from scratch, then u wouldn't be in the current state So yeah that explains you haven't look passed by one book. If u find anything contradicting with Bible, u simply refute it, that's how tunnel vision u are. The book which has many versions, altered through times, written for political motive and especially to dumb down the masses, not to mention filled with crazy stories. Need to say more?? Word of suggestion, don't quote me in such topics and don't u dare reflect your conclusions on me nor what u think about me. Caz I didn't ask for any. Unlike you who asked for this
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2018 23:55:03 GMT
Old testament was written before Christ. So how in the world it can have an account of Jesus?? The Talmud isn't part of the OT, it is a completely separate book of commentaries by rabbis. But regardless, the OT prophesies of the coming of Christ. Just like all such religion are filed with some mythical character coming. U read Hindu scripts. Ton of holy people are line before Jesus. Hence that explains why has he not arrived yet
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2018 23:57:51 GMT
Old testament was written before Christ. So how in the world it can have an account of Jesus?? The Talmud isn't part of the OT, it is a completely separate book of commentaries by rabbis. But regardless, the OT prophesies of the coming of Christ. Hmmmm. Gonna check that up
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Post by DKTrav88 on Oct 6, 2018 0:03:16 GMT
What makes you think we haven't looked at any other books? Oh am I unblocked Dk. If u had explored in other intellectual reads. Contemplated human existence, engage in critical analysis. Shared and discussed ideas with people with contrasting audience. Opened up your mind to absorbing various perspectives, challenged your cognitive dissonance and emptied your programmed mind and started off things from scratch, then u wouldn't be in the current state So yeah that explains you haven't look passed by one book. If u find anything contradicting with Bible, u simply refute it, that's how tunnel vision u are. The book which has many versions, altered through times, written for political motive and especially to dumb down the masses, not to mention filled with crazy stories. Need to say more?? Word of suggestion, don't quote me in such topics and don't u dare reflect your conclusions on me nor what u think about me. Caz I didn't ask for any. Unlike you who asked for this The thing is unknown, I went from doing all that to believing in Christ. I used to be a free thinker, agnostic, almost atheist. I started from scratch and I was compelled to find the truth of everything. One day while I was exploring the interwebs in the confinement of my bedroom, I said out loud with all sincerity from my heart, "God, if you are real, show me the truth." Months later He did. He didn't lead me to philosophy, He didn't lead me to Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, paganism, Catholicism or Orthodoxy, Judaism, or any other religion. He lead me to His word, the Bible. He didn't lead me to a church, a temple, a mosque, a synagogue, a cathedral, He lead me to His word, the Bible. That's why I believe, because I asked Him to show me and He showed me.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2018 0:41:58 GMT
Oh, I see. This magical man came to Earth, performed numerous miracles, walked on water, cured blindness, fed thousands on a single loaf of bread, turned water into wine, raised people from the dead (including himself), had multitudes follow him and welcome him into Jerusalem and no contemporary historian noticed a single thing out of the ordinary and worth putting pen to paper for. No Roman official thought it worthwhile to send a report to Rome. That's believable. Not. I’m sorry you feel that way Does it bother you so much that you feel you need to try to turn people away from believing in Christ? Absolutely. I prefer that people believe what is true rather than a lie.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2018 0:42:07 GMT
Oh am I unblocked Dk. If u had explored in other intellectual reads. Contemplated human existence, engage in critical analysis. Shared and discussed ideas with people with contrasting audience. Opened up your mind to absorbing various perspectives, challenged your cognitive dissonance and emptied your programmed mind and started off things from scratch, then u wouldn't be in the current state So yeah that explains you haven't look passed by one book. If u find anything contradicting with Bible, u simply refute it, that's how tunnel vision u are. The book which has many versions, altered through times, written for political motive and especially to dumb down the masses, not to mention filled with crazy stories. Need to say more?? Word of suggestion, don't quote me in such topics and don't u dare reflect your conclusions on me nor what u think about me. Caz I didn't ask for any. Unlike you who asked for this The thing is unknown, I went from doing all that to believing in Christ. I used to be a free thinker, agnostic, almost atheist. I started from scratch and I was compelled to find the truth of everything. One day while I was exploring the interwebs in the confinement of my bedroom, I said out loud with all sincerity from my heart, "God, if you are real, show me the truth." Months later He did. He didn't lead me to philosophy, He didn't lead me to Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, paganism, Catholicism or Orthodoxy, Judaism, or any other religion. He lead me to His word, the Bible. He didn't lead me to a church, a temple, a mosque, a synagogue, a cathedral, He lead me to His word, the Bible. That's why I believe, because I asked Him to show me and He showed me. Why did u even feel the need to cry out such an absurdity that God please show yourself. When the evidence is all around u? Did you feel sorry for yourself as how u were conducting your life and were absorbed in the consciousness of sins that called for such an absurdity? Were u raised in an environment that had lost sense of compassion and dignity. That u couldn't look in to your heart anymore and neeeded a guide of an ultimate book? U didn't go through all that u quoted..u were simply one confused young lad? Answer to all this is pretty much "yes". Apart from the first question. I will not even go in a whose right or whose wrong discussion with u, caz thats pointless, caz even if i had try hard to look away. Your sermons are spilling everywhere. Neither my basic common sense will go into your head. So basically i am addressing u as a person only and i would appreciate, you stick to the context being discussed rather than uttering something i never touched upon. So one more question is. How did God reveal to u as how u speak?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2018 0:44:01 GMT
I just prayed to the Christian God and nothing happened. I then tried praying to Allah and still nothing happened.
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How did you pray? What did you pray for? Were you sincere? Why did you pray to the Muslim god? I prayed by making a prayer exactly as asked. Do I detect the sound of moving goalposts?
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