Triangle
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Post by Triangle on Apr 17, 2023 10:30:30 GMT
So, I search for the true meaning of the word "Arktos".
This word means "Bear", refering to the Ursa Minor and Ursa Major constelations.
There is a platonic dialogue called Cratylus (If I am correct), that treat about what is the true meaning of knowledge.
In this dialogue, there is a passage that Socrates treats about the meaning of each syllable in greek language, a Very interesting one.
I am not recalling the exact meaning that Socrates try to elucidate, but create my own view about the meaning of syllables of the word "Arktos", and after that, the meaning of the word.
Basically, Ark-tos. Ark can be associated as arc, which haver the same symbolical value. Tos, totum, totallity, or some kind of imediacy, a dense impact.
Ark, trying to recognize, ark. Ark, a minor intelect, or a major intelect. Tos, a dense impact.
Arktos, a minor intelect and a dense impact. Arktos, a major intelect and a dense impact. Both, in my intelectual construction, are right.
Arktos, a starry intelect, both minor and major, at the same time, and a mark which is psychologically strong.
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Post by joustos on Apr 17, 2023 15:31:50 GMT
I, too, asked -- when I joined this forum. Yes, Arktos refers to [denotes] a Bear constellation, but the rest of what you wrote has many errors. // Plato's Cratylus is not about the meaning of knowledge, but about words or names whose meaning is unknown or forgotten, e.g., Apollo [the Greek god called Apollon]. // Speaking of SYLLABLES can become very confusing. So, think of a word as either simple or compound [e.g., poly-theism] and, most importantly, core-word and inflection; e.g., platon-ic. // What makes you split ARKTOS into ARK+TOS? ARK is English... and TOS merely looks GREEK [like Iapetos, a past participle.// Etc. Please read my post "LOGOLOGY", incomplete as it is.
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Post by MAYA-EL on Apr 18, 2023 14:53:54 GMT
This reminds me of the Hebrew word used in Genesis for the Ark that Noah built it is only used in the flood story and no where else and is different then the word in Hebrew that is normally used when referring to a literal boat type thing because the Hebrew language does have a word for when talking about a thing that holds stuff and floats on water however they didn't use that word they used this other word (I don't remember off the top of my head what these 2 Hebrew words are but I will add them when I remember there spelling) Anyways the word used in the flood story that we know a "Ark" if properly translated into English means "nature" as in a persons nature but unfortunately the interpreters when translating the Hebrew into English decided to keep a literal narrative so they changed it to read Ark instead of saying nature I say all of that to say this that I view this website name to mean a large melting pot of ideas and mindsets that have been tossed in together  cheze I know but I like it |
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Post by joustos on Apr 18, 2023 14:59:57 GMT
Incidentally, the word ARKTOS denotes [is the name of] of what in Eng. is called BEAR, but what is the original meaning of that Greek word? Now we are asking for the Etymology of the word......
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Post by joustos on Apr 18, 2023 15:20:47 GMT
This reminds me of the Hebrew word used in Genesis for the Ark that Noah built it is only used in the flood story and no where else and is different then the word in Hebrew that is normally used when referring to a literal boat type thing because the Hebrew language does have a word for when talking about a thing that holds stuff and floats on water however they didn't use that word they used this other word (I don't remember off the top of my head what these 2 Hebrew words are but I will add them when I remember there spelling) Anyways the word used in the flood story that we know a "Ark" if properly translated into English means "nature" as in a persons nature but unfortunately the interpreters when translating the Hebrew into English decided to keep a literal narrative so they changed it to read Ark instead of saying nature I say all of that to say this that I view this website name to mean a large melting pot of ideas and mindsets that have been tossed in together cheze I know but I like it The word ARKTOS -- the BEARlooking constellation -- has nothing to do with any ark in any language. |
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Post by joustos on Apr 19, 2023 23:08:13 GMT
Incidentally, the word ARKTOS denotes [is the name of] of what in Eng. is called BEAR, but what is the original meaning of that Greek word? Now we are asking for the Etymology of the word......Review + In Eng., ARKTUS is the name of the Latin ursa major [the greater bear constellation, two stars of which point to the local brighest star, the Polar or North Star, which used to be very important for ancient night sailers]. Using the ancient Greek imagination: the outline of this constellation vaguely reminds one of a bear -- not a water carrier or a hunter or ..... / I consult the Liddell-Scott Greek-English Lexicon and find: arkos = arktos = bear -- diverse forms of the word written down by diverse authors. The terminal -os is the commonplace nominative singular marker. The etym or signifying component is ARK- or ARKT- [?ARKET-?]. Liddell cites the former and does not explain the longer word. // Greek ARK- denotes Bear and is not a cognate of either Eng. ark [box; ship] or arc/arch[curve], Latin arcus, or arch[-duke] or archeo-. The Greek ARKUS = net, not a bear. // Discovery: gr. ARKTIOS (obviously the adjective of ARKTOS) = arctic, northern!!! Connect all points.............. |
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Post by MAYA-EL on Apr 20, 2023 6:24:32 GMT
This reminds me of the Hebrew word used in Genesis for the Ark that Noah built it is only used in the flood story and no where else and is different then the word in Hebrew that is normally used when referring to a literal boat type thing because the Hebrew language does have a word for when talking about a thing that holds stuff and floats on water however they didn't use that word they used this other word (I don't remember off the top of my head what these 2 Hebrew words are but I will add them when I remember there spelling) Anyways the word used in the flood story that we know a "Ark" if properly translated into English means "nature" as in a persons nature but unfortunately the interpreters when translating the Hebrew into English decided to keep a literal narrative so they changed it to read Ark instead of saying nature I say all of that to say this that I view this website name to mean a large melting pot of ideas and mindsets that have been tossed in together cheze I know but I like it The word ARKTOS -- the BEARlooking constellation -- has nothing to do with any ark in any language. I know that Joe Biden that's why I said it REMINDS ME so un trigger yourself I didn't completely debunk your religious beliefs only partly I still left you the "it's metaphorical " avenue to go down so you don't have to except reality just yet. |
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Post by joustos on Apr 21, 2023 16:08:21 GMT
Incidentally, the word ARKTOS denotes [is the name of] of what in Eng. is called BEAR, but what is the original meaning of that Greek word? Now we are asking for the Etymology of the word......Review + In Eng., ARKTUS is the name of the Latin ursa major [the greater bear constellation, two stars of which point to the local brighest star, the Polar or North Star, which used to be very important for ancient night sailers]. Using the ancient Greek imagination: the outline of this constellation vaguely reminds one of a bear -- not a water carrier or a hunter or ..... / I consult the Liddell-Scott Greek-English Lexicon and find: arkos = arktos = bear -- diverse forms of the word written down by diverse authors. The terminal -os is the commonplace nominative singular marker. The etym or signifying component is ARK- or ARKT- [?ARKET-?]. Liddell cites the former and does not explain the longer word. // Greek ARK- denotes Bear and is not a cognate of either Eng. ark [box; ship] or arc/arch[curve], Latin arcus, or arch[-duke] or archeo-. The Greek ARKUS = net, not a bear. // Discovery: gr. ARKTIOS (obviously the adjective of ARKTOS) = arctic, northern!!! Connect all points.............. The very same lexical information -- I just checked -- is found in the old and venerable Bailly grec-francaise dictionnaire. My only remaining question is about the history of the synonyms ARKOS and ARKTOS, which connote Arctic/northern/frigid -- a suitable name for what we call POLAR BEAR. Only a guess: ... |
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Post by joustos on Apr 21, 2023 19:11:28 GMT
Review + In Eng., ARKTUS is the name of the Latin ursa major [the greater bear constellation, two stars of which point to the local brighest star, the Polar or North Star, which used to be very important for ancient night sailers]. Using the ancient Greek imagination: the outline of this constellation vaguely reminds one of a bear -- not a water carrier or a hunter or ..... / I consult the Liddell-Scott Greek-English Lexicon and find: arkos = arktos = bear -- diverse forms of the word written down by diverse authors. The terminal -os is the commonplace nominative singular marker. The etym or signifying component is ARK- or ARKT- [?ARKET-?]. Liddell cites the former and does not explain the longer word. // Greek ARK- denotes Bear and is not a cognate of either Eng. ark [box; ship] or arc/arch[curve], Latin arcus, or arch[-duke] or archeo-. The Greek ARKUS = net, not a bear. // Discovery: gr. ARKTIOS (obviously the adjective of ARKTOS) = arctic, northern!!! Connect all points.............. The very same lexical information -- I just checked -- is found in the old and venerable Bailly grec-francaise dictionnaire. My only remaining question is about the history of the synonyms ARKOS and ARKTOS, which connote Arctic/northern/frigid -- a suitable name for what we call POLAR BEAR. Only a guess: ... //////time for editing is up. I was about to guess in view of the term hE arktE, which = bear skin. HOW so? I feel that this arkt- is an adjective used as a noun [with the tacit "skin"], just as was the generic arkt(-os), which, incidentally, was used for either gender of the animal. / As for now, ARKE^I MOI = it's enough for me. |
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Apr 22, 2023 7:03:55 GMT
Arktos might come from the Greek 'arche', which is the top, or the head. I guess Arktos is what on the top. As a polar cap.
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Post by joustos on Apr 22, 2023 14:52:10 GMT
Arktos might come from the Greek 'arche', which is the top, or the head. I guess Arktos is what on the top. As a polar cap. This derivation is impossible, since Arktos = bear, whereas arkE = beginning; chief, head/top. The two words are totally different in meaning. Similarly, Arktos and verb Arkuo are near homonyms. Anyway, my latest issue was: Why ARKTOS in addition to ARKOS? [ARKTOS has the attested adjective ARKTIKOS, which alludes to coldness or the cold region, not what is on top of something.] // cheers. |
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Apr 22, 2023 18:23:00 GMT
Arktos might come from the Greek 'arche', which is the top, or the head. I guess Arktos is what on the top. As a polar cap. This derivation is impossible, since Arktos = bear, whereas arkE = beginning; chief, head/top. The two words are totally different in meaning. Similarly, Arktos and verb Arkuo are near homonyms. Anyway, my latest issue was: Why ARKTOS in addition to ARKOS? [ARKTOS has the attested adjective ARKTIKOS, which alludes to coldness or the cold region, not what is on top of something.] // cheers. Arche->Ar[ch]->Ar[ch=k]->Ark |
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Post by joustos on Apr 22, 2023 19:10:12 GMT
This derivation is impossible, since Arktos = bear, whereas arkE = beginning; chief, head/top. The two words are totally different in meaning. Similarly, Arktos and verb Arkuo are near homophones. Anyway, my latest issue was: Why ARKTOS in addition to ARKOS? [ARKTOS has the attested adjective ARKTIKOS, which alludes to coldness or the cold region, not what is on top of something.] // cheers. Arche->Ar[ch]->Ar[ch=k]->Ark I just had the opportunity to correct a word of mine: HOMONYMS into HOMOPHONES, that is, same-sounding. Most correct derivations are from COGNATES, i.e., having nearly the same sound and nearly the same meaning. /Your latest derivation is homophonic or, as some people say, simply PHONOLOGICAL. As you may know, the wholly reconstructed language, PROTO-INDO-EUROPEAN [PIE] is based on the phonological/homophonic method -- a pointless fiction./ The Eng. ARK is based on the Latin ARCA, not on the Greek ARCHE/ neither is the gr. ARKos [Bear]. John: en arche logos: in the beginning was the WORD, not: in the BEAR was the WORD. |
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Apr 22, 2023 21:26:08 GMT
Arche->Ar[ch]->Ar[ch=k]->Ark I just had the opportunity to correct a word of mine: HOMONYMS into HOMOPHONES, that is, same-sounding. Most correct derivations are from COGNATES, i.e., having nearly the same sound and nearly the same meaning. /Your latest derivation is homophonic or, as some people say, simply PHONOLOGICAL. As you may know, the wholly reconstructed language, PROTO-INDO-EUROPEAN [PIE] is based on the phonological/homophonic method -- a pointless fiction./ The Eng. ARK is based on the Latin ARCA, not on the Greek ARCHE/ neither is the gr. ARKos [Bear]. John: en arche logos: in the beginning was the WORD, not: in the BEAR was the WORD. You definitely know it, my point was minor. But I see there no pointlessness, and any impossibility as well. |
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