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Post by karl on Apr 10, 2023 3:42:42 GMT
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Clovis Merovingian
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on May 28, 2023 13:44:37 GMT
He's always been a very interesting figure in history. A very brutal man, but his brutality was in service of protecting his country from Turkish imperialism so there's an argument about whether such extreme measures were justified in some way. However, his brutality wasn't only saved for Turks. What he did to the Roma was... barbaric and there's no justification to that. My only question is was his treatment of the Roma any worse than any other Romanian rulers? As I understand it they were seen as subhuman and were treated like cattle like blacks were here in the States. Romania was probably the worst place to be a Romani at the time. Honestly though, Europeans kind of shock me whenever you bring up the Roma to them. They seem to openly and unashamedly despise them and talk about them in terms that no one would talk about any group in the United States, and when you point it out to them they go, "yes, but they're actually all scum!" or, "have you actually ever met a Gypsy?"
I'm very sure the stereotype of them being thieves and crooks does have its origin in real facts, whatever they may be, as most stereotypes do, but it's like, dang, dial it back a bit will you? It's why I always cock an eyebrow when Europeans accuse Americans of being racist.
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Post by lamburk on May 28, 2023 13:56:16 GMT
He's always been a very interesting figure in history. A very brutal man, but his brutality was in service of protecting his country from Turkish imperialism so there's an argument about whether such extreme measures were justified in some way. However, his brutality wasn't only saved for Turks. What he did to the Roma was... barbaric and there's no justification to that. My only question is was his treatment of the Roma any worse than any other Romanian rulers? As I understand it they were seen as subhuman and were treated like cattle like blacks were here in the States. Romania was probably the worst place to be a Romani at the time. Honestly though, Europeans kind of shock me whenever you bring up the Roma to them. They seem to openly and unashamedly despise them and talk about them in terms that no one would talk about any group in the United States, and when you point it out to them they go, "yes, but they're actually all scum!" or, "have you actually ever met a Gypsy?" I'm very sure the stereotype of them being thieves and crooks does have its origin in real facts, whatever they may be, as most stereotypes do, but it's like, dang, dial it back a bit will you? It's why I always cock an eyebrow when Europeans accuse Americans of being racist. It's actually not straightforward. Romanians, who anyways follow the order of jesuits, do try to create a hero out of vlad dracul, but his battle was political. And to say that vlad tepis was resisting turkish brutalism is wrong, because, he had tussles with other groups, like gothis, polish ,and even saxons of Transylvania. Why is own brother, Radu al wasim/bey was not resisting ottomans? One need to understand that the rule of turkey was under ottomans. Probably, he was either misguided or he was extremely ambitious.
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Clovis Merovingian
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Posts: 2,728
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Region: The Deep South
Location: South Carolina
Ancestry: Gaelic (patrilineal), English, Ulster Scots/Scots Irish, Scottish, German, Swiss German, Swedish, Manx, Finnish, Norman French/Quebecois (distantly), Dutch (distantly)
Taxonomy: Borreby/Alpine/ Nordid mix
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on May 28, 2023 15:03:09 GMT
He's always been a very interesting figure in history. A very brutal man, but his brutality was in service of protecting his country from Turkish imperialism so there's an argument about whether such extreme measures were justified in some way. However, his brutality wasn't only saved for Turks. What he did to the Roma was... barbaric and there's no justification to that. My only question is was his treatment of the Roma any worse than any other Romanian rulers? As I understand it they were seen as subhuman and were treated like cattle like blacks were here in the States. Romania was probably the worst place to be a Romani at the time. Honestly though, Europeans kind of shock me whenever you bring up the Roma to them. They seem to openly and unashamedly despise them and talk about them in terms that no one would talk about any group in the United States, and when you point it out to them they go, "yes, but they're actually all scum!" or, "have you actually ever met a Gypsy?" I'm very sure the stereotype of them being thieves and crooks does have its origin in real facts, whatever they may be, as most stereotypes do, but it's like, dang, dial it back a bit will you? It's why I always cock an eyebrow when Europeans accuse Americans of being racist. It's actually not straightforward. Romanians, who anyways follow the order of jesuits, do try to create a hero out of vlad dracul, but his battle was political. And to say that vlad tepis was resisting turkish brutalism is wrong, because, he had tussles with other groups, like gothis, polish ,and even saxons of Transylvania. Why is own brother, Radu al wasim/bey was not resisting ottomans? One need to understand that the rule of turkey was under ottomans. Probably, he was either misguided or he was extremely ambitious. Well, its the Balkans. It's known for its ethnic strife. I'm sure that Vlad Tepis had a lot of different groups that he despised, some that he had an inferiority complex to and others that he felt superior to, and I am also sure that he acted all of these resentments out in full. Its not so surprising that Romanians lionize him as he is their guy who benefitted them. It's just the nature of things.
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