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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Mar 31, 2023 17:52:31 GMT
If there is only one thing, i.e. a monism, then all illusions are part of this reality thus are no longer illusions. But then there is an illusion that there are illusions. Under these terms reality is a contradiction and as a contradiction is beyond the senses. We cannot say what reality is or is not without ending in contradiction. And yet this prior statement is a statement about reality thus it contradicts itself. This contradiction exists. In reality there is only everything then. And this everything includes all things and conscious experiences as things. In summary my self-refuting argument is a pointer to how little we know of reality as the expanse of things exists beyond individual comprehension.
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Apr 19, 2023 21:50:01 GMT
But no illusion is ever entirely unreal, it must have its basis in something real or we would not be deluded by it. And can we reverse that and suggest that no reality is without some aspect of illusion? Nah. The axiomatic truths of Euclid and Pythagoras; Plato's forms, the ethic of Jesus, and most of Newton. Are without illusion. But the illusion that tries to deny this, has ulterior motives beyond seeking truth. Anything which has form, either physical or abstract, is relative. It is relative in the respect it must connect to other phenomena and/or stands apart from other phenomena. As relative, the form is a partial truth as it a single thing amidst other single things, all of which relate and as such are not the whole in themselves. In these respects all phenomenon are illusions, i.e. not the whole truth, but are paradoxically real nonetheless in the respect they imprint themselves on us and we react or further produce them; this imprintation is an action and only which exists acts. Under these terms the nature of illusion and reality is paradoxical as one exists through the other.
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Apr 19, 2023 21:55:07 GMT
Language forms reality as evidenced by a set of schematics for a building. Where language contradicts so does reality.
You are contradicting yourself again as usual. If I believe reality has to be a certain way and you believe that me believing reality has to be a certain way is false then you contradict yourself as your belief that my belief that '"reality has to be a certain way" is false' is believing that reality has to be certain way. Continually seeing falsity in other beliefs is believing reality must be certain way. What ? What is what but what could what be without the what what of the what yet what was what what ing ?omg contradiction I can't comprehend contradiction !! (Head explodes) that's pretty much what your posts are like I will break it down further for you considering you run off of impulse and emotion before reading things through and reflecting on them: 1. You believe that I believe reality must fit within a certain mold. 2. What I believe is wrong according to you. 3. However if what I believe is wrong it does so because it does not fit within the correct mold; it has to not fit in a correct mold in order to be wrong as something can only be incorrect relative to what is correct. 4. You are trying to fit me in a mold and accuse me of trying to fit things within a mold (which is wrong according to you).
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Apr 19, 2023 21:56:42 GMT
At the highest levels of reality, all laws of logic and any form of order disintegrates. 100% on point And we are left with the no-thingness you criticize....do you even think things through before you speak or do you just vomit what comes to mind instantly?
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Post by MAYA-EL on Apr 20, 2023 6:42:37 GMT
And we are left with the no-thingness you criticize....do you even think things through before you speak or do you just vomit what comes to mind instantly? I apparently think and speak on a level so high that you will never comprehend what I say and from up here it's cringe to watch you try to sound like a philosopher as you embarrass your entire bloodline with your rap lyrics that focus on pointless junk that won't get anyone anywhere unless their maybe 3
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Post by jonbain on Apr 20, 2023 20:58:56 GMT
But no illusion is ever entirely unreal, it must have its basis in something real or we would not be deluded by it. And can we reverse that and suggest that no reality is without some aspect of illusion? Nah. The axiomatic truths of Euclid and Pythagoras; Plato's forms, the ethic of Jesus, and most of Newton. Are without illusion. But the illusion that tries to deny this, has ulterior motives beyond seeking truth. Anything which has form, either physical or abstract, is relative. It is relative in the respect it must connect to other phenomena and/or stands apart from other phenomena. As relative, the form is a partial truth as it a single thing amidst other single things, all of which relate and as such are not the whole in themselves. In these respects all phenomenon are illusions, i.e. not the whole truth, but are paradoxically real nonetheless in the respect they imprint themselves on us and we react or further produce them; this imprintation is an action and only which exists acts. Under these terms the nature of illusion and reality is paradoxical as one exists through the other. The word 'relativity' has been so abused it has been twisted and wrenched dry of any meaning. For the sake of all the is sacred read THIS, if nothing else:
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Apr 21, 2023 18:52:16 GMT
Anything which has form, either physical or abstract, is relative. It is relative in the respect it must connect to other phenomena and/or stands apart from other phenomena. As relative, the form is a partial truth as it a single thing amidst other single things, all of which relate and as such are not the whole in themselves. In these respects all phenomenon are illusions, i.e. not the whole truth, but are paradoxically real nonetheless in the respect they imprint themselves on us and we react or further produce them; this imprintation is an action and only which exists acts. Under these terms the nature of illusion and reality is paradoxical as one exists through the other. The word 'relativity' has been so abused it has been twisted and wrenched dry of any meaning. For the sake of all the is sacred read THIS, if nothing else:
No, it is not being abused. Phenomenon relate and as such are relative. Name one thing which does not relate to something else.
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Apr 21, 2023 18:54:25 GMT
And we are left with the no-thingness you criticize....do you even think things through before you speak or do you just vomit what comes to mind instantly? I apparently think and speak on a level so high that you will never comprehend what I say and from up here it's cringe to watch you try to sound like a philosopher as you embarrass your entire bloodline with your rap lyrics that focus on pointless junk that won't get anyone anywhere unless their maybe 3 Avoiding the point as usual.... "At the highest levels of reality, all laws of logic and any form of order disintegrates." This leaves us with the no-thingness you criticize.
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Post by jonbain on Apr 22, 2023 7:46:43 GMT
The word 'relativity' has been so abused it has been twisted and wrenched dry of any meaning. For the sake of all the is sacred read THIS, if nothing else:
No, it is not being abused. Phenomenon relate and as such are relative. Name one thing which does not relate to something else.
Einstein's theory of relativity does not relate to empirical ontology of reality. Unless we abuse the word 'relativity'.
Einstein's theory of general relativity becoming
'who are your relatives generally?'
And Einstein's theory of special relativity being 'who is your special relative?'
And when you are positive about those questions, then your 'theory' will be abused to become 'the consensus reality'.
So what?
Nepotism = war. welcome to ww3.
then the awful horror takes the place of God
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Post by MAYA-EL on Apr 22, 2023 15:24:06 GMT
I apparently think and speak on a level so high that you will never comprehend what I say and from up here it's cringe to watch you try to sound like a philosopher as you embarrass your entire bloodline with your rap lyrics that focus on pointless junk that won't get anyone anywhere unless their maybe 3 Avoiding the point as usual.... "At the highest levels of reality, all laws of logic and any form of order disintegrates." This leaves us with the no-thingness you criticize. That last sentence you said should pretty much show everyone just how intelligent your attempted philosophy really is
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Apr 26, 2023 17:35:41 GMT
No, it is not being abused. Phenomenon relate and as such are relative. Name one thing which does not relate to something else.
Einstein's theory of relativity does not relate to empirical ontology of reality. Unless we abuse the word 'relativity'.
Einstein's theory of general relativity becoming
'who are your relatives generally?'
And Einstein's theory of special relativity being 'who is your special relative?'
And when you are positive about those questions, then your 'theory' will be abused to become 'the consensus reality'.
So what?
Nepotism = war. welcome to ww3.
then the awful horror takes the place of God
Relation is not necessarily subject to sentient entities but what are commonly see as non-sentient (although I do not agree with this statement as I argue all is sentient). For example a rock is relative to dirt as it is composed of dirt. A leaf is relative to a tree as it is connected to a tree. Things are relative in the respect they have a connection to one thing or another.
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Apr 26, 2023 17:37:11 GMT
Avoiding the point as usual.... "At the highest levels of reality, all laws of logic and any form of order disintegrates." This leaves us with the no-thingness you criticize. That last sentence you said should pretty much show everyone just how intelligent your attempted philosophy really is If everything is obliterated at the highest levels of reality then we are left with no-thing. You agreed with the other poster but disagree with me and yet both the other poster and I are saying the same thing.
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Post by MAYA-EL on Apr 26, 2023 22:08:08 GMT
That last sentence you said should pretty much show everyone just how intelligent your attempted philosophy really is If everything is obliterated at the highest levels of reality then we are left with no-thing. You agreed with the other poster but disagree with me and yet both the other poster and I are saying the same thing. If everything was obliterated there'd be just a lot of obliterated stuff
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Post by jonbain on Apr 27, 2023 7:10:15 GMT
Einstein's theory of relativity does not relate to empirical ontology of reality. Unless we abuse the word 'relativity'.
Einstein's theory of general relativity becoming
'who are your relatives generally?'
And Einstein's theory of special relativity being 'who is your special relative?'
And when you are positive about those questions, then your 'theory' will be abused to become 'the consensus reality'.
So what?
Nepotism = war. welcome to ww3.
then the awful horror takes the place of God
Relation is not necessarily subject to sentient entities but what are commonly see as non-sentient (although I do not agree with this statement as I argue all is sentient). For example a rock is relative to dirt as it is composed of dirt. A leaf is relative to a tree as it is connected to a tree. Things are relative in the respect they have a connection to one thing or another.
But that word hurts my ears and my soul. And so long as that word persists in its being, humanity is doomed to be destroyed by a bloody big meteor, because the math that it implies will destroy what little remains of the academic institutions.
It must be destroyed as the worst sacrilege, beyond the most horrible confines, even of beezlebub itself !
Then Ragnarok devour you all for your ignorance as to what is real, and what is not real.
Most specifically regards the math of gravity. Nothing is more pertinent to the survival of the entire ecosystem.
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Post by joustos on Apr 27, 2023 15:30:55 GMT
At the highest levels of reality, all laws of logic and any form of order disintegrates. for example, 2, like the Elohim of Genesis-1, =1, like the Yahveh of Genesis-2. But, to begin with, Genesis is not a discourse at the highest level of reality , precisely because it is illogical....
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Post by MAYA-EL on Apr 28, 2023 3:08:45 GMT
Relation is not necessarily subject to sentient entities but what are commonly see as non-sentient (although I do not agree with this statement as I argue all is sentient). For example a rock is relative to dirt as it is composed of dirt. A leaf is relative to a tree as it is connected to a tree. Things are relative in the respect they have a connection to one thing or another.
But that word hurts my ears and my soul. And so long as that word persists in its being, humanity is doomed to be destroyed by a bloody big meteor, because the math that it implies will destroy what little remains of the academic institutions.
It must be destroyed as the worst sacrilege, beyond the most horrible confines, even of beezlebub itself !
Then Ragnarok devour you all for your ignorance as to what is real, and what is not real.
Most specifically regards the math of gravity. Nothing is more pertinent to the survival of the entire ecosystem.
That reminds me that I had a hypothesis that the last big reset that happened about 12k years ago when we had a nice meteor shower pummeling the planet was do to the main means of technology/power that mankind used wasn't fossil fuel like we use today but instead it was some kind of electromagnetic anti-gravity tech and that we literally sucked the asteroids out of there normal orbits and right to us . I have my reasons for why I think this but that's for some other time.
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