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Post by Epitimia on Sept 23, 2017 9:56:26 GMT
Greater Albania: a United States project against the Orthodox world?
Wednesday, December 5, 2012, the Albanian Prime Minister Sali Berisha advocated granting Albanian citizenship to all Albanians, wherever they reside. This statement was made during a visit of the city of Vlora where the independence of the Albanian state was declared, only 100 years ago. At the time Albania had just liberated itself from Ottoman rule.
This declaration follows a separate statement, collective this time, that Sali Berisha had made with his Kosovar counterpart Hashim Thaci a few weeks ago, promising the union of all Albanians. The place was, I must say, well chosen since the vast majority of the inhabitants of Kosovo today are of Albanian origin, which has not always been the case.
During the Balkan War in 1913, Serbs still constitute the majority of the population. In 1941, Kosovo is attached to the Greater Albania (already) fascist Italian protectorate. After the war, Tito would prohibit Albanian immigration since Yugoslavia, according to him, could be strong only if Serbia were as weak as possible. In 1974, it is he who attributes to Kosovo autonomous province status which would be removed by Slobodan Milosevic in 1989, while the Serbs already composed no more than 15% of the population.
When in 2008 Kosovo declares independence, nearly a decade after the Western military intervention, few commentators call attention to the dominant "Albanity" of this new small state. On the contrary, it is a time of real celebration for that supposedly oppressed people who finally gained freedom. In most Western countries and the European Union, the recognition is instantaneous, without any question being raised about the treatment of the Serb minority and the future that awaited it, despite the terrible precedent of 2004, when Christians were victims of pogroms, burned down churches, and the violation of their most basic human rights. It is true that Europe, sorry the European Union, at that time had other priorities: the essential organization of gay pride in Belgrade.
It took only 4 years for the farce of Kosovo’s independence to finally emerge publicly. Only 4 years for the Albanian Prime Minister to prove the Serb nationalists right when they consistenly maintained that it was not Kosovars (the inhabitants of the Kosovo region being Serbs) they were facing but well and truly Shqiptars, in a new episode of the ancient conflict in the Balkans that has pitted for nearly 6 centuries the Orthodox Slavs against the sons of the Ottoman Empire converts.
 In October 1999, the U.S. General and NATO Supreme Commander Wesley Clark (far right) meets with the head of the UN mission in Kosovo, Bernard Kouchner (second from left), and KLA leader Hashim Thaci (far left). Today, as Prime Minister of Kosovo, Thaci is accused in a report of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe to have participated in the trafficking of organs taken, inter alia, from Serb prisoners by men of the KLA.
Western support for the creation of Kosovo and hostility against Serbia may seem completely inexplicable. Yet from 1991 to 2008, U.S. strategists have been led by a single logic: the destruction of Serbia, to debilitate her as much as possible for the inevitable historical moment in the future when she would again turn to Russia.
Of course, it was necessary at the same time to also devitalize Russia. If, from 1991 to 2000, a military and media war was waged against Milosevic’s Serbia with the aim of annihilating it, an economic and moral war was being unleashed against Yeltsin’s Russia. The crusade against the communist world has turned into a crusade against the Orthodox world, and essentially against its most sovereign political nerve center: Russia.
The theoretician of Russia’s containment in Eurasia, Zbigniew Brzezinski, said himself in 2007 that "After the collapse of the USSR, the main enemy of the USA will be the Russian Orthodox Church." The creation of Greater Albania can probably be seen in this historical and geostrategic light. It is like tossing a new match, one that could create a spark and start a new fire in the Balkan inferno. This fire would result in the further weakening of Europe, but also deepen the destabilization of the Orthodox world (Macedonia, Greece, Montenegro, Serbia ...) and curb its rapprochement with Russia. Indirectly, it is Russia’s influence in Eastern Europe that would be challenged, and therefore its rapprochement with Western Europe. In doing so, the United States would once again achieve their primary objective: to prevent a rapprochement between continental Europe and the Catholic and Orthodox worlds.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2017 14:22:57 GMT
Because I just showed you the truth and proved to you that Macedonians and Macedonia were never Greek and never part of Greece and the argument for this issue is never ending.  I don't really care what you think you just shown I just showed you proof and the truth that proves Macedonians and Macedonia was never Greek and never part of Greece and the Illinden Uprising was Macedonian not Bulgarian Tatar. You can keep ignoring the proof and truth I sent to you all you want and keep believing the other propaganda you read but this is the true History of Macedonians and Macedonia I sent to you. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2017 14:42:04 GMT
Look buddy, I got no problem with Macedonians. You can be whatever you want. I only have problem with pseudoscience and forgery of history and stuff like that, but not so much to go into some really deep discussion here. If you want to do that you can attend some history conference or so for all I care |
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Post by khaos on Nov 10, 2017 19:24:55 GMT
@jjaskiz
Dude, you are delusional. You are telling me I don't know history but you keep sending me those idiotic "proofs" of yours all the time without making a simple point. You simply refuse to accept the truth that we were under Serbian occupation in the period between the first Balkan war and the beginning of the second WW. A typical DPMNE supporter. I guess you never heard about the Ohrid-Debar and the Tikvesh uprising against the Serbs, let's not forget who killed their king too and why. You keep calling the Bulgarians "Tatars" and the Albanians "Shiptari" trying to tell me that they are the biggest enemies of the Macedonians, but do you know how many Bulgarians and Albanians helped us during the uprising against the Serbs? Of course you don't. Once again I don't know what's so wrong being "Tatar" but then again, since you are a DPMNE supporter you probably love listening to Milenkos late shows, kek.
I actually don't have a problem calling the Albanians - "Shiptari", I call them like that too, even doe they get offended, but you need to realize that they are not our biggest enemies, and the conflicts between us and them were provoked by Serbia.
The Serbs don't/didn't consider/ed us "south Serbians" because we speak similar language, but because they thought of Macedonia as their own territory which they won from the Ottomans during the Balkan wars, and that we are actually Serbs since ever.
Again, Bulgarians are not Turkic Mongols.
Nations didn't exist back then. Officially nations started to form themselves after the French revolution of 1789-1799.
>Serbia made Macedonia part of Yugoslavia to try turn Macedonians in to Serbs but failed.
There it is, yet again, you consider them as brothers who will help you against the "kletite Shiptari".
Omg... they accepted us like that because they were too busy with the Croats and Bosnians. They didn't want another war on the south. All those Serbs that live today in Macedonia are descendants of the Serbian colonists that came here during the Serbian occupation. If we stayed with Serbia in Yugoslavia along side with Montenegro they would've sent another thousands of Serbian colonists in order to assimilate our people. That didn't happen before because Slovenia and Croatia voted against. Now you connect the dots and you'll see who is our real friend and who a foe.
>Serbs today accept Macedonia and Macedonians as Macedonians unlike the Bulgarian Tatars who don't recognise our people, our Language or our country as Macedonian but just recognise just our countries independence.
That's why they said their biggest mistake was recognizing us as Macedonia and they changed some of the streets in Serbia that were carrying the names of Macedonians, like the Goce Delcev street in order to justify themselves to Greece. That's why your orthodox brothers refuse to recognize your own church.
The political party you are supporting celebrated along side with Serbia on Zebernjak, which they called "liberation of Macedonia from the Turks", but they simply "forget" that the so-called liberation of Macedonia by Serbia was just a beginning of a new slavery/occupation/terror. It's actually know as "White terror" but how would you know...
They are against a friendship with Bulgaria (a country that always used to help us) but they would gladly celebrate an occupation with a country that used to terrorize us. Good job.
I tried to stop replying here but I just can't leave it like that.
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Post by Διαμονδ on Nov 10, 2017 19:38:38 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2017 22:55:48 GMT
Look buddy, I got no problem with Macedonians. You can be whatever you want. I only have problem with pseudoscience and forgery of history and stuff like that, but not so much to go into some really deep discussion here. If you want to do that you can attend some history conference or so for all I care Us Macedonians of Macedonia have always been Macedonians and we don't need to steal History because us Macedonians got History. It is the Greeks that stole Agean Macedonia off us Macedonians in 1912 - 1913 and are trying to steal Macedonian History off us now. Greeks never owned any part of Macedonia before 1912 - 1913. Even in Ancient times back in the time of King Phillip "Of Macedon" and Alexander "The Great Of Macedon", the Ancient Greeks never had any part of Macedonia. And the Greeks called the Ancient Macedonians "Barbarians" (Non Greeks) who conquered the Greeks and Ancient Greece. So maybe you should go back to school and learn real History of Macedonia and forget the propaganda version of History you have been taught. |
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Post by Elizabeth on Nov 10, 2017 23:02:42 GMT
I see the two popular topics in this thread are albanians and who knows history better  |
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Post by Διαμονδ on Nov 10, 2017 23:08:46 GMT
I see the two popular topics in this thread are albanians and who knows history better And I noticed that the guys from the Balkans are very active on Internet forums! History popular? History is our life and reality!  |
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Post by Διαμονδ on Nov 10, 2017 23:16:38 GMT
Elizabeth - I don't think that the guys from the Balkans would like to have a Greater Albania! Because it is .... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2017 23:45:35 GMT
Look buddy, I got no problem with Macedonians. You can be whatever you want. I only have problem with pseudoscience and forgery of history and stuff like that, but not so much to go into some really deep discussion here. If you want to do that you can attend some history conference or so for all I care Us Macedonians of Macedonia have always been Macedonians and we don't need to steal History because us Macedonians got History. It is the Greeks that stole Agean Macedonia off us Macedonians in 1912 - 1913 and are trying to steal Macedonian History off us now. Greeks never owned any part of Macedonia before 1912 - 1913. Even in Ancient times back in the time of King Phillip "Of Macedon" and Alexander "The Great Of Macedon", the Ancient Greeks never had any part of Macedonia. And the Greeks called the Ancient Macedonians "Barbarians" (Non Greeks) who conquered the Greeks and Ancient Greece. So maybe you should go back to school and learn real History of Macedonia and forget the propaganda version of History you have been taught. Your history lessons are getting boring and really tiring. Perhaps you should just quit it. Its not interesting and I wont respond to another of hysterical lessons, so consider this my final thought on Macedonian history. Besides you wanted to hear it yourself and you are now whining. Stop being absurd. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2017 23:48:20 GMT
@jjaskiz Dude, you are delusional. You are telling me I don't know history but you keep sending me those idiotic "proofs" of yours all the time without making a simple point. You simply refuse to accept the truth that we were under Serbian occupation in the period between the first Balkan war and the beginning of the second WW. A typical DPMNE supporter. I guess you never heard about the Ohrid-Debar and the Tikvesh uprising against the Serbs, let's not forget who killed their king too and why. You keep calling the Bulgarians "Tatars" and the Albanians "Shiptari" trying to tell me that they are the biggest enemies of the Macedonians, but do you know how many Bulgarians and Albanians helped us during the uprising against the Serbs? Of course you don't. Once again I don't know what's so wrong being "Tatar" but then again, since you are a DPMNE supporter you probably love listening to Milenkos late shows, kek. I actually don't have a problem calling the Albanians - "Shiptari", I call them like that too, even doe they get offended, but you need to realize that they are not our biggest enemies, and the conflicts between us and them were provoked by Serbia. The Serbs don't/didn't consider/ed us "south Serbians" because we speak similar language, but because they thought of Macedonia as their own territory which they won from the Ottomans during the Balkan wars, and that we are actually Serbs since ever. Again, Bulgarians are not Turkic Mongols. Nations didn't exist back then. Officially nations started to form themselves after the French revolution of 1789-1799. > Serbia made Macedonia part of Yugoslavia to try turn Macedonians in to Serbs but failed. There it is, yet again, you consider them as brothers who will help you against the "kletite Shiptari". Omg... they accepted us like that because they were too busy with the Croats and Bosnians. They didn't want another war on the south. All those Serbs that live today in Macedonia are descendants of the Serbian colonists that came here during the Serbian occupation. If we stayed with Serbia in Yugoslavia along side with Montenegro they would've sent another thousands of Serbian colonists in order to assimilate our people. That didn't happen before because Slovenia and Croatia voted against. Now you connect the dots and you'll see who is our real friend and who a foe. > Serbs today accept Macedonia and Macedonians as Macedonians unlike the Bulgarian Tatars who don't recognise our people, our Language or our country as Macedonian but just recognise just our countries independence.
That's why they said their biggest mistake was recognizing us as Macedonia and they changed some of the streets in Serbia that were carrying the names of Macedonians, like the Goce Delcev street in order to justify themselves to Greece. That's why your orthodox brothers refuse to recognize your own church. The political party you are supporting celebrated along side with Serbia on Zebernjak, which they called "liberation of Macedonia from the Turks", but they simply "forget" that the so-called liberation of Macedonia by Serbia was just a beginning of a new slavery/occupation/terror. It's actually know as "White terror" but how would you know... They are against a friendship with Bulgaria (a country that always used to help us) but they would gladly celebrate an occupation with a country that used to terrorize us. Good job. I tried to stop replying here but I just can't leave it like that. We were under Turkish Occupation, Bulgarian Occupation, Serbian Occupation and etc... Too. And yes, I have heard of the Debar-Ohrid Uprising. But Macedonians allied with many of our neighbour countries back in the day to try keep Macedonia unoccupied but yet all the countries Macedonia has allied with has tried to occupy Macedonia. But the Serbs and Serbia these days are the most friendliest neighbours towards Macedonians and Macedonia these days and are the only ones who accept the Macedonians as Macedonians and Macedonia as an independent country. You cannot consider the Bulgarian Tatars to be the most friendliest neighbour country towards Macedonians when today they do not recognise our people or country as Macedonian and also try to steal our countries History, national heroes and etc... And they still today try to do that and try to turn Macedonians in to Bulgarian Tatars but they fail hard. Because Macedonians are Indo-Europeans who have always been in the Balkans while the Bulgarian Tatars are Tatars from Tatarstan. And none of our neighbour countries recognise our Macedonian Orthodox Churches today either so what's your point? And today the Shitares are our biggest enemy because they are trying to take over Macedonia, steal our countries land to make our country in to another Kosovo to make the part of lands they claim in Macedonia part of Greater Analbania. And Bulgarians are Tatars (Turkic-Mongol Ancestory) who came to the Balkans in the 5th or 6th Century and mixed with the Macedonians, Serbs and etc... . I never considered the Serbs as brothers, I consider them as allies our allies and they will help our country and we will help their country against a Greater Analbania in the Balkans, because no one wants a Greater Analbania in the Balkans. And the Bulgarian Tatars try to turn Macedonians in to Bulgarian Tatars, steal our countries History, National Heroes, language and etc... . But yet you still side with them. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2017 23:51:53 GMT
Us Macedonians of Macedonia have always been Macedonians and we don't need to steal History because us Macedonians got History. It is the Greeks that stole Agean Macedonia off us Macedonians in 1912 - 1913 and are trying to steal Macedonian History off us now. Greeks never owned any part of Macedonia before 1912 - 1913. Even in Ancient times back in the time of King Phillip "Of Macedon" and Alexander "The Great Of Macedon", the Ancient Greeks never had any part of Macedonia. And the Greeks called the Ancient Macedonians "Barbarians" (Non Greeks) who conquered the Greeks and Ancient Greece. So maybe you should go back to school and learn real History of Macedonia and forget the propaganda version of History you have been taught. Your history lessons are getting boring and really tiring. Perhaps you should just quit it. Its not interesting and I wont respond to another of hysterical lessons, so consider this my final thought on Macedonian history. Besides you wanted to hear it yourself and you are now whining. Stop being absurd. Keep believing the propaganda version of Macedonian History and being in denial of the true version of Macedonian History I just sent to you. |
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Post by khaos on Nov 11, 2017 14:44:42 GMT
@jjazkiz
No comment. I feel sorry for you, but it's not your fault...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2017 15:13:36 GMT
I see the two popular topics in this thread are albanians and who knows history better Albanians seems to always be a popular topic, for some reason. Even without any single one on board. Regardless the topic, I never heard about this "Greater Albania", or at least I haven't paid any attention. I heard about a lot of "Greater" countries concepts, but all of them involved some conspiracy theories, such as UFO, Illuminati, other civilizations in the past that gave power to one nation, and so on. I am very distant from taking such informations seriously. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2017 14:37:58 GMT
@jjazkiz No comment. I feel sorry for you, but it's not your fault... I feel sorry for you khaos because your brainwashed and you don't know the true Macedonian History or Politics of Macedonia. |
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