Clovis Merovingian
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Region: The Deep South
Location: South Carolina
Ancestry: Gaelic (patrilineal), English, Ulster Scots/Scots Irish, Scottish, German, Swiss German, Swedish, Manx, Finnish, Norman French/Quebecois (distantly), Dutch (distantly)
Taxonomy: Borreby/Alpine/ Nordid mix
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Hero: Andrew Jackson, Thomas Jefferson, James K. Polk
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Philosophy: I try to find out what is true as best I can.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Jul 7, 2022 3:31:18 GMT
When people think of civilizations in the Americas before Columbus they often think of the Aztecs and Mayans of Central America with their grand stone pyramids and the Inca civilization of the Andes mountains in South America. They hardly ever think of or are even aware that a similarly advanced Civilization existed in North America at all. Many people seem to have an image of Native North Americans as primitive hunter gatherer hippies that lived in small tribes and villages in harmony with nature and at peace with each other and knew nothing of civilization or the evil vices of the white man. This image of the noble savage is a retarded and revolting myth made up by hippie homosexuals in the 1960's and could not be further from the truth. There actually was a civilization across a vast swath of North America spanning from Southern Minnesota to Northern Florida (and another in the Southwest but this post is not about that) that had cities, marketplaces, pyramids, rather advanced art, and metal working. This civilization is known to archeologists as the Mississippian culture. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippian_culture#:~:text=The%20Mississippian%20culture%20was%20a,other%20shaped%20mounds%20as%20well. Below is a video describing these fascinating people. This is their greatest geographical expanse. As you can see they were in a large swath of the United States including my state of South Carolina. The Mississippians built their cities out of things that parish easily with time so much of what they built was lost, however they did leave behind many of their earthen mounds and pyramids, which though eaten away by erosion, can still be visited today. The great pyramids of America like their Egyptian counterparts lay on its most famous river and are in the great lost city of Cahokia on the Mississippi in Southern Illinois. Below is what it looks like today. This pyramid is 100 feet tall and its base is the size of the Pyramid of Giza. Of course its a bit shabby because of erosion but this is what it would've looked like in its heyday. The city of Cahokia was more populous than London was at the same time.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Sept 18, 2022 12:35:54 GMT
As always, your analytical skills are impressive (it's not a compliment, it's fact).
7-8 years ago I even had a wish to start learning any ancient Indian language. Speaking honestly, it's not, because I wanted to know precisely about Indian culture, but rather I wanted to fill gaps about them that is needed either for games in Western style (Gun, Call of Juarez, Dead Man's Hand, Desperados...) or movies in the Western style (Confederates, True Grit, Apaches, etc; I don't remember now those with Indians), or songs (there are mostly different spiritual songs of different Indian musicians), and to get some knowledge of architecture and land images, nature (flora and fauna), etc.
That's why it's uneasy to me to say I am so aware of it. I don't even know their religions stuff. Mostly names and backgrounds, plus some of clothes, boats, weapons names and style, etc.
There is one thing I found to be fascinating about your turn to this theme: the presence of tribes in the North and that it was worth to study. I guess it is what Stephen King and Lovecraft would appreciate it much. King for his well-known references to the tombs, rituals, and so forth, and Lovecraft would see there a link with the elder gods, or the connection between Indians at north and the visits of those ancient creatures. Plenty of things.
The organization of the camps of the Mississippians show their harmony with nature. Maybe that's why it's uneasy to find many of their houses today. And the relations between them and the nature via magical spells may be seen as also natural for them. Did those Mississippians have weapons at all? And what about the grass? The herbs? May be that among of them practicing of medicine was presented. Also, there's one interesting point – astronomy and architecture as the key to understand why those piedestal like structures of land in the centers were created. What exact astronomy reason those herblands were for? – Maybe as the Tower in London? – To check sundials?
By the way, do you know about views or representations of time of those Mississippians? According to some south Indians legends the time appeared after the creation of the shell, people, and everything else. I wonder what about the ancient North views?
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Clovis Merovingian
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Posts: 2,728
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Meta-Ethnicity: Anglo-American
Ethnicity: Deep Southerner
Country: My State and my Region are my country
Region: The Deep South
Location: South Carolina
Ancestry: Gaelic (patrilineal), English, Ulster Scots/Scots Irish, Scottish, German, Swiss German, Swedish, Manx, Finnish, Norman French/Quebecois (distantly), Dutch (distantly)
Taxonomy: Borreby/Alpine/ Nordid mix
Y-DNA: R-S660/R-DF109
mtDNA: T1a1
Politics: Conservative
Religion: Christian
Hero: Andrew Jackson, Thomas Jefferson, James K. Polk
Age: 31
Philosophy: I try to find out what is true as best I can.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Oct 2, 2022 7:32:31 GMT
As always, your analytical skills are impressive (it's not a compliment, it's fact). 7-8 years ago I even had a wish to start learning any ancient Indian language. Speaking honestly, it's not, because I wanted to know precisely about Indian culture, but rather I wanted to fill gaps about them that is needed either for games in Western style (Gun, Call of Juarez, Dead Man's Hand, Desperados...) or movies in the Western style (Confederates, True Grit, Apaches, etc; I don't remember now those with Indians), or songs (there are mostly different spiritual songs of different Indian musicians), and to get some knowledge of architecture and land images, nature (flora and fauna), etc. That's why it's uneasy to me to say I am so aware of it. I don't even know their religions stuff. Mostly names and backgrounds, plus some of clothes, boats, weapons names and style, etc. There is one thing I found to be fascinating about your turn to this theme: the presence of tribes in the North and that it was worth to study. I guess it is what Stephen King and Lovecraft would appreciate it much. King for his well-known references to the tombs, rituals, and so forth, and Lovecraft would see there a link with the elder gods, or the connection between Indians at north and the visits of those ancient creatures. Plenty of things. The organization of the camps of the Mississippians show their harmony with nature. Maybe that's why it's uneasy to find many of their houses today. And the relations between them and the nature via magical spells may be seen as also natural for them. Did those Mississippians have weapons at all? And what about the grass? The herbs? May be that among of them practicing of medicine was presented. Also, there's one interesting point – astronomy and architecture as the key to understand why those piedestal like structures of land in the centers were created. What exact astronomy reason those herblands were for? – Maybe as the Tower in London? – To check sundials? By the way, do you know about views or representations of time of those Mississippians? According to some south Indians legends the time appeared after the creation of the shell, people, and everything else. I wonder what about the ancient North views? The problem with the Mississippians is that they had their heyday and their civilization rose and fell before any significant European contact so we don't know what their religious beliefs were except for a few things. We know that they were sun worshippers that practiced human sacrifice and that the priests were very important. Yes, they did have weapons, and waged war like every other Native American people. If they didn't they would be slaughtered by some hostile tribe. In fact, one of the few and most famous Europeans that had contact with them the Conquistador Hernando De Soto was soundly defeated in battle by the Mississippians. I'm kind of curious why you asked that question. Why wouldn't they have weapons? It would be complete suicide for any civilization or tribe if they didn't.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Oct 2, 2022 14:33:35 GMT
As always, your analytical skills are impressive (it's not a compliment, it's fact). 7-8 years ago I even had a wish to start learning any ancient Indian language. Speaking honestly, it's not, because I wanted to know precisely about Indian culture, but rather I wanted to fill gaps about them that is needed either for games in Western style (Gun, Call of Juarez, Dead Man's Hand, Desperados...) or movies in the Western style (Confederates, True Grit, Apaches, etc; I don't remember now those with Indians), or songs (there are mostly different spiritual songs of different Indian musicians), and to get some knowledge of architecture and land images, nature (flora and fauna), etc. That's why it's uneasy to me to say I am so aware of it. I don't even know their religions stuff. Mostly names and backgrounds, plus some of clothes, boats, weapons names and style, etc. There is one thing I found to be fascinating about your turn to this theme: the presence of tribes in the North and that it was worth to study. I guess it is what Stephen King and Lovecraft would appreciate it much. King for his well-known references to the tombs, rituals, and so forth, and Lovecraft would see there a link with the elder gods, or the connection between Indians at north and the visits of those ancient creatures. Plenty of things. The organization of the camps of the Mississippians show their harmony with nature. Maybe that's why it's uneasy to find many of their houses today. And the relations between them and the nature via magical spells may be seen as also natural for them. Did those Mississippians have weapons at all? And what about the grass? The herbs? May be that among of them practicing of medicine was presented. Also, there's one interesting point – astronomy and architecture as the key to understand why those piedestal like structures of land in the centers were created. What exact astronomy reason those herblands were for? – Maybe as the Tower in London? – To check sundials? By the way, do you know about views or representations of time of those Mississippians? According to some south Indians legends the time appeared after the creation of the shell, people, and everything else. I wonder what about the ancient North views? The problem with the Mississippians is that they had their heyday and their civilization rose and fell before any significant European contact so we don't know what their religious beliefs were except for a few things. We know that they were sun worshippers that practiced human sacrifice and that the priests were very important. Yes, they did have weapons, and waged war like every other Native American people. If they didn't they would be slaughtered by some hostile tribe. In fact, one of the few and most famous Europeans that had contact with them the Conquistador Hernando De Soto was soundly defeated in battle by the Mississippians. I'm kind of curious why you asked that question. Why wouldn't they have weapons? It would be complete suicide for any civilization or tribe if they didn't. It's because of my poor knowledge of English. Many nuances are out of my comprehension. I don't know how to use them. And even usage of language may be taken as a weapon (in the hands of a good writer). So, it was a rhetorical, not a real question of mine.
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Clovis Merovingian
Prestige/VIP
Elder
Posts: 2,728
Likes: 1,763
Meta-Ethnicity: Anglo-American
Ethnicity: Deep Southerner
Country: My State and my Region are my country
Region: The Deep South
Location: South Carolina
Ancestry: Gaelic (patrilineal), English, Ulster Scots/Scots Irish, Scottish, German, Swiss German, Swedish, Manx, Finnish, Norman French/Quebecois (distantly), Dutch (distantly)
Taxonomy: Borreby/Alpine/ Nordid mix
Y-DNA: R-S660/R-DF109
mtDNA: T1a1
Politics: Conservative
Religion: Christian
Hero: Andrew Jackson, Thomas Jefferson, James K. Polk
Age: 31
Philosophy: I try to find out what is true as best I can.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Oct 3, 2022 2:58:01 GMT
The problem with the Mississippians is that they had their heyday and their civilization rose and fell before any significant European contact so we don't know what their religious beliefs were except for a few things. We know that they were sun worshippers that practiced human sacrifice and that the priests were very important. Yes, they did have weapons, and waged war like every other Native American people. If they didn't they would be slaughtered by some hostile tribe. In fact, one of the few and most famous Europeans that had contact with them the Conquistador Hernando De Soto was soundly defeated in battle by the Mississippians. I'm kind of curious why you asked that question. Why wouldn't they have weapons? It would be complete suicide for any civilization or tribe if they didn't. It's because of my poor knowledge of English. Many nuances are out of my comprehension. I don't know how to use them. And even usage of language may be taken as a weapon (in the hands of a good writer). So, it was a rhetorical, not a real question of mine. Ah yes. Sorry. Forgot that there's kind of a language barrier between us. It also might be my fault. As an autistic person I tend to take things literally so a rhetorical question over the internet will, nine times out of ten, fly over my head. Typing over the internet is notoriously bad for conveying such things as sarcasm and rhetorical questions.
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