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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Dec 15, 2021 20:22:36 GMT
Indeed, all those museums, exhibitions, memorials... maybe our predecessors or those persons wanted to have some decency and glory to them. Maybe they didn't want to be exposed. And meanwhile their remains are being discovered to publicity. I don't think there's a bit of honor to the late people. If people are people they got to have some pride not to violate the will of the dead ones.
What do you think of this, and what do you think of that the archeology is rather an art of stealing things. It's like the archeologists and sorta bring some excuses about their job, while keeping the process or robbering. I can't believe this is gonna be reckoned as a moral act, as an act of ethics.
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Post by thesageofmainstreet on Dec 23, 2021 0:57:34 GMT
The dead person will not need it nor is it theirs any longer. It is like a finders keepers thing then. Personally, I don't want anything near a dead body. I will barely consider taking the money but anything else...nope. Inside the DMZ (Dead Marine Zone)In Vietnam, I met a Marine who put the dead into body bags (Graves Registration). I asked him how he liked it. He said, "It's OK. Nobody messes with you." In combat, they brought a dead Marine next to where I had been stationed. I had to look at him for twenty minutes before the helicopter took him away. It wasn't creepy; it was shocking and fixating.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Dec 24, 2021 5:35:05 GMT
Eh, there might be some honor in having their stuff displayed to their successors. I remember when things taken out of a tomb from Ancient Egypt made the rounds in my local State Museum, the golden walls engraved with hieroglyphs and depictions of the Egyptian gods, the tomb casket, the chariots, the mummy itself, and other miscellaneous items attesting to the glory and riches of Egypt, and speaking for myself and the folks around me, we were struck with awe and admiration for those long dead ancient people and their achievements. I think that displaying what our ancestors did and showing them off to their descendants in all their glory to be admired and to inspire a sense of pride in them is giving our ancestors more honor than if we just left them rotting in a tomb with riches, and valuables, and beautiful priceless artifacts attesting to their glory that are no good to them or anyone else hidden away. Thank you for answering. Well, I cannot disagree that something good in the exposions is presented. Also, I don't think that the Egypt's remains to expose was a bad thing. This may be assumed as some kind of glorification to our predecessors or to some persons in past and so on. Besides, it's been doing almost all the history by our predecessors, I mean to expose the remains or to study it. So, as a science aspect it's accepted and useful. Despite this fact, there are some moral barriers might be raised. I'm talking about a thought that to be certain in these things we have to be sure. And not every person of those late persons would agree with that their remains would be exposesed and presented to publicity. i'd say there are still some problems occur. Thus if this act of exposition is necessary, let's say some students have to know the past or some scientists should study something to discover new methods or to break some gaps in science and so on, then museums and exhibiitons are accepted. I guess you know about the fact that the first Christians gathered in graveyards or among tombs. As the other researchers said they did it, because they thought those places were most sacred, and since that their gatherings were in some way blessed. So, I want to ask you about this, if you don't mind. Firstly, what do you think of that from the perspective of pagan traditions, I mean do you think it was some kind of a pagan feature or tradition? And don't you think that the tradition to be polite and careful with the remains of Christians (and maybe not only with theirs) was a good point of them? I have no idea if the respecting of tombs was pagan or just a part of every culture except modern ones' respect for their ancestors. I do agree somewhat with where your point in making this thread comes from. I find it rather appalling the modern West's nihilistic disrespect for our ancestors and those who came before us and built our civilizations. In East Asian civilization this attitude is seen as insane. Perhaps you do have a point that their tombs should be respected, but my earlier point about showing their glory to their descendants has to be considered too. Either way the dead and the ancestors should be respected I agree.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Dec 24, 2021 6:20:30 GMT
Thank you for answering. Well, I cannot disagree that something good in the exposions is presented. Also, I don't think that the Egypt's remains to expose was a bad thing. This may be assumed as some kind of glorification to our predecessors or to some persons in past and so on. Besides, it's been doing almost all the history by our predecessors, I mean to expose the remains or to study it. So, as a science aspect it's accepted and useful. Despite this fact, there are some moral barriers might be raised. I'm talking about a thought that to be certain in these things we have to be sure. And not every person of those late persons would agree with that their remains would be exposesed and presented to publicity. i'd say there are still some problems occur. Thus if this act of exposition is necessary, let's say some students have to know the past or some scientists should study something to discover new methods or to break some gaps in science and so on, then museums and exhibiitons are accepted. I guess you know about the fact that the first Christians gathered in graveyards or among tombs. As the other researchers said they did it, because they thought those places were most sacred, and since that their gatherings were in some way blessed. So, I want to ask you about this, if you don't mind. Firstly, what do you think of that from the perspective of pagan traditions, I mean do you think it was some kind of a pagan feature or tradition? And don't you think that the tradition to be polite and careful with the remains of Christians (and maybe not only with theirs) was a good point of them? I have no idea if the respecting of tombs was pagan or just a part of every culture except modern ones' respect for their ancestors. I do agree somewhat with where your point in making this thread comes from. I find it rather appalling the modern West's nihilistic disrespect for our ancestors and those who came before us and built our civilizations. In East Asian civilization this attitude is seen as insane. Perhaps you do have a point that their tombs should be respected, but my earlier point about showing their glory to their descendants has to be considered too. Either way the dead and the ancestors should be respected I agree. To be concentrated only on just one aspect is bad, so yes there cannot be disagreement: and ancestors, and descendants must be respected.Your words made me thought where exactly I failed, and I guess to glory the dead only is the same fault as to glory the living persons only. It's the one folk, why, for instance, left aside Thomas Jefferson, but to glory Trump, or vice versa. And I think the leftists are always to ruin any folks for creating their new ones. Have you heard about the leftists Christianity? Mostly it came from Brazil, Argentine, Chile, and some other Spanic countries. I do not like this version of Christianity. On the other hand, I don't know how to be with all those pagan elements. Necessary truth that many Christians all over the world judged and condemned any pagan elements trying to concentrate on Bible, not on the Mother Nature. Well, what does it mean to be one folk or one nation then? Is this to keep being a implicitly pagan, or what? What do you think about this: folks, nations, countries - are they pagan rudiments or not?
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Dec 24, 2021 6:32:10 GMT
I have no idea if the respecting of tombs was pagan or just a part of every culture except modern ones' respect for their ancestors. I do agree somewhat with where your point in making this thread comes from. I find it rather appalling the modern West's nihilistic disrespect for our ancestors and those who came before us and built our civilizations. In East Asian civilization this attitude is seen as insane. Perhaps you do have a point that their tombs should be respected, but my earlier point about showing their glory to their descendants has to be considered too. Either way the dead and the ancestors should be respected I agree. To be concentrated only on just one aspect is bad, so yes there cannot be disagreement: and ancestors, and descendants must be respected.Your words made me thought where exactly I failed, and I guess to glory the dead only is the same fault as to glory the living persons only. It's the one folk, why, for instance, left aside Thomas Jefferson, but to glory Trump, or vice versa. And I think the leftists are always to ruin any folks for creating their new ones. Have you heard about the leftists Christianity? Mostly it came from Brazil, Argentine, Chile, and some other Spanic countries. I do not like this version of Christianity. On the other hand, I don't know how to be with all those pagan elements. Necessary truth that many Christians all over the world judged and condemned any pagan elements trying to concentrate on Bible, not on the Mother Nature. Well, what does it mean to be one folk or one nation then? Is this to keep being a implicitly pagan, or what? What do you think about this: folks, nations, countries - are they pagan rudiments or not? No, I don't think that folks, nations, and countries are pagan rudiments. I think that the story of the Tower of Babel proves that to be false. God willed it that there be nations (and the word translated "nation" in the original Hebrew meant an ethnic group). It was what he always willed, the confusing of languages being a punishment for them not spreading through the earth and doing it on their own. Remember, the Table of Nations is listed before the Babel incident. The punishment they received was partially for resisting that call to become separate peoples and trying to stay together as one people.
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