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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Dec 10, 2021 0:05:49 GMT
All hallucinations are a mirroring of some reality. The hallucination of a unicorn is that of a horse and a horn. The mirage is that of water.
Because hallucinations exist then an ultimate reality exists. Even under the framework of reality being an infinite regress of hallucinations the hallucination stands as an unconditional reality in itself given it is existence.
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Post by Elizabeth on Dec 10, 2021 7:27:55 GMT
I also think that imagination plays a big role. The more a person uses their imagination then the crazier their hallucinations will be. Indeedbit can have some reality to it. It is like dreams. It depends on what our brain makes up.
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Dec 16, 2021 20:44:20 GMT
I also think that imagination plays a big role. The more a person uses their imagination then the crazier their hallucinations will be. Indeedbit can have some reality to it. It is like dreams. It depends on what our brain makes up. But the imagination is grounded in things which are not imaginary; imagination is the reflection of empirical phenomenon.
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Post by Elizabeth on Dec 18, 2021 8:40:45 GMT
I also think that imagination plays a big role. The more a person uses their imagination then the crazier their hallucinations will be. Indeedbit can have some reality to it. It is like dreams. It depends on what our brain makes up. But the imagination is grounded in things which are not imaginary; imagination is the reflection of empirical phenomenon. What do you mean? If a person imagines a unicorn it is not real. Sure it can be similar to a real think like a horse but it is an extension of what is real.
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Jan 6, 2022 21:59:42 GMT
But the imagination is grounded in things which are not imaginary; imagination is the reflection of empirical phenomenon. What do you mean? If a person imagines a unicorn it is not real. Sure it can be similar to a real think like a horse but it is an extension of what is real. What is imagined is first grounded in reality; we take what is empirical and combine it with other phenomenon, which are empirical as well, and this combination exists in the realm of the imagined. What is imagined is rooted in the real. We cannot imagine anything unless its elements first exist in another state of reality. A unicorn is grounded in the empirical "horn" and the empirical "horse". The unicorn exists as imagined. What is imagined is imagined and is real in the respect it is imagined (ie the imagination is a phenomenon which is part of reality given we observe what is imagined). We cannot observe something unless it first exists in some state; imaginary objects exist in the realm of the imaginary but exist nonetheless.
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Post by Elizabeth on Jan 8, 2022 5:33:55 GMT
What do you mean? If a person imagines a unicorn it is not real. Sure it can be similar to a real think like a horse but it is an extension of what is real. What is imagined is first grounded in reality; we take what is empirical and combine it with other phenomenon, which are empirical as well, and this combination exists in the realm of the imagined. What is imagined is rooted in the real. We cannot imagine anything unless its elements first exist in another state of reality. A unicorn is grounded in the empirical "horn" and the empirical "horse". The unicorn exists as imagined. What is imagined is imagined and is real in the respect it is imagined (ie the imagination is a phenomenon which is part of reality given we observe what is imagined). We cannot observe something unless it first exists in some state; imaginary objects exist in the realm of the imaginary but exist nonetheless. Yes, agreed.
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Post by KGrim on Jan 9, 2022 4:46:44 GMT
Makes sense. I know for sure that I can't imagine any color that doesn't exist in the known color wheel. I've tried. Its pretty hard.
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Post by Elizabeth on Jan 9, 2022 7:14:51 GMT
Makes sense. I know for sure that I can't imagine any color that doesn't exist in the known color wheel. I've tried. Its pretty hard. I've heard people say, "You can become whatever you imagine" or something similar. So you'd say that's false too? Since it seems imagination has a limit.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jan 16, 2022 15:43:41 GMT
Maybe I'm wrong, can't say I fully get it. I'll try to rescribe it by myself.
I think there are some problems with any types of hallucinations or illusions. Let me number them:
- Where did I get this idea about hallucinations or illusions? - What can be a true judgement that can decide whether that something is an illusion or a hallucination or not?
I guess that we cannot answer on the first question. Our whole life can be an illusion. We don't know where this concept come from? On the 2nd, I guess that we can do it by ourself. Let's say that Biden doesn't exist. Am I true or not? How to get it?
Kant on this said that: a) among different paradoxes this (about the illusions, etc) is one of such; b) that "hallucination" or "illusion" component in those paradoxes can be converted using the transcendental logic.
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Jan 16, 2022 23:37:26 GMT
Maybe I'm wrong, can't say I fully get it. I'll try to rescribe it by myself. I think there are some problems with any types of hallucinations or illusions. Let me number them: - Where did I get this idea about hallucinations or illusions? - What can be a true judgement that can decide whether that something is an illusion or a hallucination or not? I guess that we cannot answer on the first question. Our whole life can be an illusion. We don't know where this concept come from? On the 2nd, I guess that we can do it by ourself. Let's say that Biden doesn't exist. Am I true or not? How to get it? Kant on this said that: a) among different paradoxes this (about the illusions, etc) is one of such; b) that "hallucination" or "illusion" component in those paradoxes can be converted using the transcendental logic. [b A hallucination is a phenomenon and as a phenomenon exists. This existence necessitates truth as what exists is true in existing.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jan 17, 2022 7:17:20 GMT
Maybe I'm wrong, can't say I fully get it. I'll try to rescribe it by myself. I think there are some problems with any types of hallucinations or illusions. Let me number them: - Where did I get this idea about hallucinations or illusions? - What can be a true judgement that can decide whether that something is an illusion or a hallucination or not? I guess that we cannot answer on the first question. Our whole life can be an illusion. We don't know where this concept come from? On the 2nd, I guess that we can do it by ourself. Let's say that Biden doesn't exist. Am I true or not? How to get it? Kant on this said that: a) among different paradoxes this (about the illusions, etc) is one of such; b) that "hallucination" or "illusion" component in those paradoxes can be converted using the transcendental logic. [b A hallucination is a phenomenon and as a phenomenon exists. This existence necessitates truth as what exists is true in existing. And what does it mean that [b ??
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Jan 19, 2022 0:04:51 GMT
[b A hallucination is a phenomenon and as a phenomenon exists. This existence necessitates truth as what exists is true in existing. And what does it mean that [b ?? Truth and existence equate. Hallucinations are phenomena and phenomena exist therefore hallucinations exist.
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Post by MAYA-EL on Jan 19, 2022 21:49:48 GMT
I think that it is "POSSIBLE" to imagine something truly new that's not a blend of preexisting objects
However it's incredibly rare and difficult to achieve especially in a time where people are farmed like cattle mentally dumbed down so that they will comply with society like good little milk cows and our brains atrophied in so many philosophical ways that more people are struck by lightning than there are people that can imagine something new.
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Jan 20, 2022 20:25:26 GMT
I think that it is "POSSIBLE" to imagine something truly new that's not a blend of preexisting objects However it's incredibly rare and difficult to achieve especially in a time where people are farmed like cattle mentally dumbed down so that they will comply with society like good little milk cows and our brains atrophied in so many philosophical ways that more people are struck by lightning than there are people that can imagine something new. What exists is what is possible; imagination is thus the blending of possibilities. Given all objects are grounded in forms all possibilities of manifesting something not from an already existing object cannot occur given "new" form would result in the "new possibility" and forms already exist.
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