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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Dec 7, 2021 9:54:22 GMT
Quite interesting to note that after having got some experience someone could tell you that that experience was wrong. For example, it might happen during the discussion about politics: when someone is trying to change your views thinking you're wrong at yours; or in conversations about the art, when an expert can bring you some objections to your views for one could have a wrong look onto a picture.
If there is such a differentiation, then it may bring some troubles: how one person can be certain about the correctness of his own experience? Alternatively, if one's experience is sacred and true, this may lead to the next thought: each experience is personal.
My think is that if we would have the different types of experience only, then our discussions would be multiplied by zero: indeed, there would be no real agreement, except for a thought people are puppet on a string dancers. On the other hand, how can one be sure on that the someone's corrections to one's personal experience is not just a trick?
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Dec 7, 2021 11:03:28 GMT
Quite interesting to note that after having got some experience someone could tell you that that experience was wrong. For example, it might happen during the discussion about politics: when someone is trying to change your views thinking you're wrong at yours; or in conversations about the art, when an expert can bring you some objections to your views for one could have a wrong look onto a picture. If there is such a differentiation, then it may bring some troubles: how one person can be certain about the correctness of his own experience? Alternatively, if one's experience is sacred and true, this may lead to the next thought: each experience is personal. My think is that if we would have the different types of experience only, then our discussions would be multiplied by zero: indeed, there would be no real agreement, except for a thought people are puppet on a string dancers. On the other hand, how can one be sure on that the someone's corrections to one's personal experience is not just a trick? Eugene, could you elaborate this? Because I didn't get the point. |
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Dec 7, 2021 11:08:03 GMT
Quite interesting to note that after having got some experience someone could tell you that that experience was wrong. For example, it might happen during the discussion about politics: when someone is trying to change your views thinking you're wrong at yours; or in conversations about the art, when an expert can bring you some objections to your views for one could have a wrong look onto a picture. If there is such a differentiation, then it may bring some troubles: how one person can be certain about the correctness of his own experience? Alternatively, if one's experience is sacred and true, this may lead to the next thought: each experience is personal. My think is that if we would have the different types of experience only, then our discussions would be multiplied by zero: indeed, there would be no real agreement, except for a thought people are puppet on a string dancers. On the other hand, how can one be sure on that the someone's corrections to one's personal experience is not just a trick? Eugene, could you elaborate this? Because I didn't get the point. Alright, let me continue. I think that this problem has a deeper level. Just imagine a talk between capitalist and a socialist discussing whose art ( capitalistic or socialistic) is better. What do you think one can tell another? Plenty things like: the socialistic one capture much more social interactions, social grounds, and this doesn't need to be focused on an egoist. And the other can truly objected him bringing some historical context like with the Reneissanse artists, or saying that if an artist is free and self-satisfied he's better prepared to create, not to do under the dictate. But in my humble opinion such discussions may hide more serious problems when an individual can be put into dangers. I think that the role of individual today is one of the primary promlems. |
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Dec 7, 2021 11:09:30 GMT
Eugene, could you elaborate this? Because I didn't get the point. Alright, let me continue. I think that this problem has a deeper level. Just imagine a talk between capitalist and a socialist discussing whose art ( capitalistic or socialistic) is better. What do you think one can tell another? Plenty things like: the socialistic one capture much more social interactions, social grounds, and this doesn't need to be focused on an egoist. And the other can truly objected him bringing some historical context like with the Reneissanse artists, or saying that if an artist is free and self-satisfied he's better prepared to create, not to do under the dictate. But in my humble opinion such discussions may hide more serious problems when an individual can be put into dangers. I think that the role of individual today is one of the primary promlems. Ok, so you're saying. I didn't ask about this. This is quite impressive, no doubt, but anyway, I reckoned to hear some details. Could you bring some examples or put some more details into it? |
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Dec 7, 2021 11:13:48 GMT
Alright, let me continue. I think that this problem has a deeper level. Just imagine a talk between capitalist and a socialist discussing whose art ( capitalistic or socialistic) is better. What do you think one can tell another? Plenty things like: the socialistic one capture much more social interactions, social grounds, and this doesn't need to be focused on an egoist. And the other can truly objected him bringing some historical context like with the Reneissanse artists, or saying that if an artist is free and self-satisfied he's better prepared to create, not to do under the dictate. But in my humble opinion such discussions may hide more serious problems when an individual can be put into dangers. I think that the role of individual today is one of the primary promlems. Ok, so you're saying. I didn't ask about this. This is quite impressive, no doubt, but anyway, I reckoned to hear some details. Could you bring some examples or put some more details into it? Ok, Eugene. Imagine you're staring at the waters of a magnificent eldless ocean that impresses you at a glance. Which fierce waves and clean air fill your lungs with the freshness of the fresh. And after diving underneath its surface you may find there so many dangerous water inhabitans which task is to hunt you down and cut you up. So, that the visit turnes into a series of your nightmares. Could you imagine that? Then say, this can be your private feeling that has been cracked, and there may be someone esle who tells you of those dangers. Which experience is more correct? And can this be that that impression you've got of the ocean firstly the true one? |
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Dec 7, 2021 11:14:53 GMT
Ok, so you're saying. I didn't ask about this. This is quite impressive, no doubt, but anyway, I reckoned to hear some details. Could you bring some examples or put some more details into it? Ok, Eugene. Imagine you're staring at the waters of a magnificent eldless ocean that impresses you at a glance. Which fierce waves and clean air fill your lungs with the freshness of the fresh. And after diving underneath its surface you may find there so many dangerous water inhabitans which task is to hunt you down and cut you up. So, that the visit turnes into a series of your nightmares. Could you imagine that? Then say, this can be your private feeling that has been cracked, and there may be someone esle who tells you of those dangers. Which experience is more correct? And can this be that that impression you've got of the ocean firstly the true one? But I didn't ask about such plain examples, silly. I wanted to hear where is the real experience can be found? How do you argue which experience is wrong or correct? |
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Dec 7, 2021 11:18:42 GMT
Ok, Eugene. Imagine you're staring at the waters of a magnificent eldless ocean that impresses you at a glance. Which fierce waves and clean air fill your lungs with the freshness of the fresh. And after diving underneath its surface you may find there so many dangerous water inhabitans which task is to hunt you down and cut you up. So, that the visit turnes into a series of your nightmares. Could you imagine that? Then say, this can be your private feeling that has been cracked, and there may be someone esle who tells you of those dangers. Which experience is more correct? And can this be that that impression you've got of the ocean firstly the true one? But I didn't ask about such plain examples, silly. I wanted to hear where is the real experience can be found? How do you argue which experience is wrong or correct? Don't ever call me silly, comprende? All I wanted to draw was that the experience could be a problem. And if you couldn't trust to your own experiene, then to which you should? And should you? Because I think that the experience you've got has at least two sides: one is when you trust to your memory as it is, not put any doubts to it, and the second is when you don't trust to your own experience not believing that it was you who got it, or your experience was not the same to your current one. Got that? |
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Dec 7, 2021 11:20:06 GMT
But I didn't ask about such plain examples, silly. I wanted to hear where is the real experience can be found? How do you argue which experience is wrong or correct? Don't ever call me silly, comprende? All I wanted to draw was that the experience could be a problem. And if you couldn't trust to your own experiene, then to which you should? And should you? Because I think that the experience you've got has at least two sides: one is when you trust to your memory as it is, not put any doubts to it, and the second is when you don't trust to your own experience not believing that it was you who got it, or your experience was not the same to your current one. Got that? This is quite ridiculous, don't you see? The problem you're mentioning is a problem of the memory and how it works. In other words, do you trust or not your own memory, not the experience. |
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