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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Nov 22, 2021 17:51:15 GMT
• There's no real way to prove for a person that the one has put or sent oneself to the one's body, the one's time (in the history period), the one's race, and so on. Briefly, no one is sure about his own destiny, purpose, or sense of life.
• If the previous is true (it seems to be), then our life is some kind of the outer force to us, or alternatively our life is governed by either some outer (i.e. not by ours) force, or our bodies (i.e. some structures).
• Within that type of existence – non-deliberate type – there might be some thoughts. At least, a thought about all this: the existence, non-deliberation, outer governing, etc.
• Respectively there may be another question about whether some thoughts are indeed thoughts? For a thought is important to be deliberate, or else that would be some kind of the order, instead of a thought. In other words, if a commander of thoughts isn't some person A, then it must be something else, let's say a person B. Anyway, the fact of governing by some structures.
• Thus, if there are some thoughts (not their imitation), there must be deliberation within logic.
• Deliberation within logic is the same as the chaos inside a structure. There's no real way to prove for a person that the one has put or sent oneself to the one's body, the one's time (in the history period), the one's race, and so on. Briefly, no one is sure about his own destiny, purpose, or sense of life.
• If people didn't plan themselves to exist as they exist, therefore there's the chaos within a structure.
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Post by MAYA-EL on Nov 23, 2021 4:52:44 GMT
.>>> Briefly, no one is sure about his own destiny, purpose, or sense of life.<<<
how on earth would you be able to know that to be a fact?
just because you don't have the answers to those and the people you are in contact with also don't have the answers only means that it's not a popular thing to find answer to, or answers to like a by no means are they impossible questions answered I have answered them myself personally for myself and if I've done it i guarantee you that other people have as well.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Nov 23, 2021 8:03:19 GMT
.>>> Briefly, no one is sure about his own destiny, purpose, or sense of life.<<< how on earth would you be able to know that to be a fact? just because you don't have the answers to those and the people you are in contact with also don't have the answers only means that it's not a popular thing to find answer to, or answers to like a by no means are they impossible questions answered I have answered them myself personally for myself and if I've done it i guarantee you that other people have as well. If someone tells me his sense/purpose of life I can ask him. And no matter what his answer will never be able to justified by him. Why so? If he - that person - is some kind of a director to his fate he's able to change it (he might lie to me about his purpose), and if he's being governed by someone else (else person, esle director), in turn, he might be led into a lie. Let's assume a director or a governer by someone's fate tells what is going to make with someone's fate he might be correct only if he can govern everything in this world, because if he does not know all the variable in the universe equation his intentions are just probable. So, either we've got a person who's an author to his will, we've got a director to someone's will, and we've got some other conditions or environment that may have an impact to the destiny of someone. And this requires either that those authors or directors must be gods (because only in this scenarios their intentins may equal to their further actions), or some kind of Laplas demon persons which are able to calculate all the states in the universe. Since neither of this scenarios are possible, then my guessing about nobody knows his own pupose is correct. To be more correctly that is not exactly what I was going to say. I was talking about pre-conditions for a person to create himself. Alternatively I might reformulate it to: nobody is able to be sure about his own creation of oneself. |
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Post by MAYA-EL on Nov 24, 2021 2:52:19 GMT
.>>> Briefly, no one is sure about his own destiny, purpose, or sense of life.<<< how on earth would you be able to know that to be a fact? just because you don't have the answers to those and the people you are in contact with also don't have the answers only means that it's not a popular thing to find answer to, or answers to like a by no means are they impossible questions answered I have answered them myself personally for myself and if I've done it i guarantee you that other people have as well. If someone tells me his sense/purpose of life I can ask him. And no matter what his answer will never be able to justified by him. Why so? If he - that person - is some kind of a director to his fate he's able to change it (he might lie to me about his purpose), and if he's being governed by someone else (else person, esle director), in turn, he might be led into a lie. Let's assume a director or a governer by someone's fate tells what is going to make with someone's fate he might be correct only if he can govern everything in this world, because if he does not know all the variable in the universe equation his intentions are just probable. So, either we've got a person who's an author to his will, we've got a director to someone's will, and we've got some other conditions or environment that may have an impact to the destiny of someone. And this requires either that those authors or directors must be gods (because only in this scenarios their intentins may equal to their further actions), or some kind of Laplas demon persons which are able to calculate all the states in the universe. Since neither of this scenarios are possible, then my guessing about nobody knows his own pupose is correct. To be more correctly that is not exactly what I was going to say. I was talking about pre-conditions for a person to create himself. Alternatively I might reformulate it to: nobody is able to be sure about his own creation of oneself. I have no idea why you're making that the criteria and the only options? I don't understand why the only options are options made by other men before you that you've adopted their opinions of. how are you so sure that those men's opinions are indeed the only options? seeing as how they come from men my guess would be that the logical thing to think would be that they're not accurate because they come from men and Men created the concept of gods so I highly doubt that a concept made by a man has to exist in order for a man to be able to supersede his limited seemingly helpless state and of course in the context and limitations set forth by you and your first assertion there's no way a man could possibly know why he exists or what his reason for being is or what he should be doing with his life absolutely not he's merely a walking squishy potato in need of a savior. but if we transcend those concepts and realize that they came from people just like us yet before us and open our minds there are more possibilities. now just because I say a man can know why he exists and what his purpose in life is supposed to be that does not mean he can convey it to another person because like I said language is a very limited barbaric tool and it's a tool not the complete thing to think that the tool can engulf the entire thing would be like buying one tiny little wrench and then expecting to win the Indy 500 it's just not practical despite the fact the wrench might be used by the mechanic which is depended on by the driver which uses the vehicle. |
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Nov 24, 2021 7:50:12 GMT
MAYA-ELOf course, from the most parity grounds there are no such good foundations to start with here. I mean I was using metaphysics, and I thought you noticed it. Otherwise, the induction of the other persons with their intentions would be easily ruined since we did not even have no proof for the existence of the other minds (check for that J. L. Austin "The Other Minds"). Metaphysically we might presume that the other persons would be gods or kinda if they know their purposes. How? Because they should be either aware and certain about their destinies, or know that the future events would be true and would be certainly performed. Since none were gods (among people now) none would be acknowledged that one's purpose was such and such.
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Post by MAYA-EL on Nov 25, 2021 4:45:11 GMT
MAYA-ELOf course, from the most parity grounds there are no such good foundations to start with here. I mean I was using metaphysics, and I thought you noticed it. Otherwise, the induction of the other persons with their intentions would be easily ruined since we did not even have no proof for the existence of the other minds (check for that J. L. Austin "The Other Minds"). Metaphysically we might presume that the other persons would be gods or kinda if they know their purposes. How? Because they should be either aware and certain about their destinies, or know that the future events would be true and would be certainly performed. Since none were gods (among people now) none would be acknowledged that one's purpose was such and such. Talking about a person being sure about his own destiny, purpose, or sense of life? Or being confident and being able to tell the future? Your description seem to be bouncing around a little bit |
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Nov 25, 2021 9:51:52 GMT
MAYA-ELI didn't tell anything about any "fortune-tellers" things. Where did you get it from?
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Post by MAYA-EL on Nov 26, 2021 3:54:50 GMT
MAYA-ELI didn't tell anything about any "fortune-tellers" things. Where did you get it from? you said >>>How? Because they should be either aware and certain about their destinies, or know that the future events would be true and would be certainly performed.<<< is that not future telling? |
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Nov 26, 2021 10:40:15 GMT
Yer right.
There wasn't so much about the fortune-telling, but ok.
I wanted to say if people were almighty, they would know their fate, their destiny, and by that they would be able to predict their next moves. (As the Laplace's demons.)
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