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Post by joustos on Nov 10, 2021 21:42:16 GMT
Fact: Man the measurer emerges in human history. Question: Are his measuring techniques innate or possibly learned from without (hence found, DISCOVERED) or INVENTED, created, by humans or some race of humans?
To begin with, to avoid misunderstandings, example: I go to a store to buy apples. I look at them, consider the price of each, and decide to buy ten of them; that is, I decide to buy a certain QUANTITY of them. "Ten" is the outcome of a process, namely the Counting of the apples which I pick from a basket. Counting is a measuring technique which I learned long
before my shopping. So, as used presently in the store, the technique is something discovered, remembered, found within myself. In another situation, I buy apples by weight rather than by number, in which case the measuring technique [weighing] -- and relative instrument -- was invented by some humans, and now it is merely remembered.//
We measure imponderables like space and time. Project: A week is a set of seven days. It can be thought of as the outcome counting a certain quantity of days, but did the historical notion of "week" emerge as a result of counting? I don't think so. The sum of seven days is a "seven-nary", a row of seven similar individuals; a week is a period of time, which cannot be visualized/understood by a row (that is, in spatial terms). Was "/week/" in any language something invented?
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Nov 25, 2021 17:19:49 GMT
joustosI forgot to add the pronounciation, so here it is: " Перше десятиліття двадцять першого століття" :: Per-she de-sya-ty-lit'-tya dvad-cyat' per-sho-go sto-lit'-tya
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Nov 25, 2021 17:55:29 GMT
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Post by joustos on Nov 25, 2021 22:09:23 GMT
... On the other hand, I'll stay here, rather than going to LOGOLOGY [page 59], as I just said I was going to do... NAMING remains the present subject of discussion
What's in a name? Rather: What's a name? More specifically, what's a personal name? I cannot speak for the personal names of all nations of the world, for I do not even know whether there is the custom in all nations to give a name to all members of a society or tribe, or to all newborn babies. I know that the ancient Greeks had the custom of naming babies on the 10th day after their birth. This was a festive day and was called hE dekatE -- the word DAY [hemera] being understood. Judging from the names of adults, the given names expressed some quality (either manifested by the infant or wished for him or her), though, at least in later times or in other ethnic contexts, a given name was like the name of an ancestor or of a saint -- a commemorative name. (In some modern countries there is still the custom of celebrating the name-day or onomastic day, more so than the birth-day, at a time when the name is the name of a feasted saint or, presumably, a god. The Spaniards even give some babies the name "Jesus". Some customs never die.) For th ancient there were sacred places and sacred times. // Why on the 10th day after birth? I wish to know or find out
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Post by joustos on Nov 26, 2021 17:50:08 GMT
... On the other hand, I'll stay here, rather than going to LOGOLOGY [page 59], as I just said I was going to do... NAMING remains the present subject of discussionWhat's in a name? Rather: What's a name? More specifically, what's a personal name? I cannot speak for the personal names of all nations of the world, for I do not even know whether there is the custom in all nations to give a name to all members of a society or tribe, or to all newborn babies. I know that the ancient Greeks had the custom of naming babies on the 10th day after their birth. This was a festive day and was called hE dekatE -- the word DAY [ hemera] being understood. Judging from the names of adults, the given names expressed some quality (either manifested by the infant or wished for him or her), though, at least in later times or in other ethnic contexts, a given name was like the name of an ancestor or of a saint -- a commemorative name. (In some modern countries there is still the custom of celebrating the name-day or onomastic day, more so than the birth-day, at a time when the name is the name of a feasted saint or, presumably, a god. The Spaniards even give some babies the name "Jesus". Some customs never die.) For th ancient there were sacred places and sacred times. // Why on the 10th day after birth? I wish to know or find out. [Page 60]Why was the name (and possibly a feast) given on the 10Th day after birth (which is the beginning of a new life on earth)? Ancient writers did not try to explain why; so, we can only speculate. I suppose the reason is that the earlier days were already occupied by other celebrations -- or more important feasts, such as celebrations of gods. For example, the Greeks, or the Dorians in particular, celebrated Apollo on the 7th day of every month. Slowing down: The Grks had already conceived and established the "/month/", namely the time of one lunation, from the day when the moon appears and starts growing [hence the "crescent moon"] to -- after the other phases -- the day when it returns. I do not know of any celebration of the Moon/SelenE, but here and there, she was identified with some goddesses such as Diana the huntress [Artemis, who had temples etc. in Greece and in Italy] and HEkatE the queen of the night (and leader of ghosts). //The Moon and the other luminaries were gods [personified nature-gods], who were celebrated in some form or other]. They were evident in the sky as moving "stars", which the Greeks called Planets. There were seven planetary gods, but we have no written list of their names. However, the Dorians celebrated the sun, Helios (the strongest luminary) on the seventh day of every month and identified the sun with Apollo. Thus they conceived and estblished the feast-week, called Hebdas, a variant of the Ionic Heptas (an assemblage of seven units or, in this situation, seven days). That's how the "/week/" came into being. The Romans wrote the names the feast days: Lunae dies (day of the Moon/SelenE),Martis dies (Day of Mars/Ares), Mercurii dies (Day of Mercury/Hermes), Jovis dies (Day of Jupiter/Zeus), Veneris dies (Day of Venus/Aphrodite/the evening star/ Lucifer), Saturni dies (Day of Saturn/Cronos), Solis dies (Day of the Sun/Helios/Apollo). // Probably somewhere the 8th and 9th day of the week were dedicated to two of the many other gods. (I guess: Poseidon and Aidoneus/Hades.) The 10th day of the month [after birth, the beginning of life on earth] was the name-feast of humans and probably the commemoration of the first human, the clay statue that Prometheus built, hence the feast day of this Titan, who also stole fire from heaven in order to benefit Man, as the mythmaker said. // The Dorians from the northern parts of the Peloponnese migrated southwards , where they founded Sparta and Pylos, and to other parts of the world, including that region which later was called Palestine and was invaded by Semites. Migrants and invaders carry their own culture along with them. So, we find the "week" in the Canaanite/Hebrew account of the creation of the world. To be precise, the creation was done in 6 days. On the 7th day, the creator rested and humans have to rest and worship the creator-- which they called the Sabath.The whole week leading to the Sabath remained a feast-week for the luminaries, which now were represented by seven lamps or a menorah, even though some Israelite invented a myth about a miracle so as to explain their "feast of lights". // Christians changed the Day of the Sun into the Day of the Lord, but some pointlessly retained the name Sabath for the like for the Day of Saturn; however, like the ancient Romans, the British have Saturday and Sunday.// In a catacomb under St. Peter's basilica in Roma, there is a mosaic which depicts Jesus Christ as Apollo, with light rays around his head while he is driving a chariot with horses (as Apollo was supposed to when moving across the sky). A great Doric tradition. |
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Post by joustos on Nov 27, 2021 18:26:13 GMT
[Logology Page 61] Above I mentioned that the Greek concept of "/Week/" [7 days] was retained by the Hebrew writer of "Genesis", even though it was no longer associated with the 7 planets or planetary gods, for at least in Genesis-2, only one god, Yahweh, was to be recognized and adopted/chosen, the God who, said Moses, delivered the Israelites out of Egypt. To what ethnicity did his God belong? The exant Bibles offer no clue about his ethnicity since the name was translated into Greek as Theos [=god] and into Latin as Deus [=god, although the Latin name is Laconic (Doric) and is a variant of "Zeus"]. {At the time of Romqn occupation, a Roman soldier unerstood -- from the myths -- that Yahweh was the same god who elsewhere is called Zeus or Jupiter. This substantive equivalence is questnable; linguistically, "Yahweh is akin to the Egyptian Ya, the moon-god, and to the Doric Yah, the rain-god whose cultural existence I demonstrated in my book about Indo-European languages.} // The Hebrew retained also the naming day, though the 8th day after birth, when babies are circumsized, according to the Covenant. // Much more remains to be said .....
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Post by thesageofmainstreet on Nov 27, 2021 19:29:15 GMT
Since we may continue discussing some Ukrainian words here, I'll switch to LOGOLOGY in order to get back to my proposed project: Was "/week/" discovered or invented? That is, was that period to time which is called WEEK in English, discovered or invented? ... for now I could re-direct the question in terms of NAMING: Was that which is named WEEK in English discovred or invented? I already said that it was not discovered, since time, or a period of time, is not a thing that could be perceived (hence FOUND/DISCOVERED). To invent/conceive involves naming.... our concepts are linguistic and can be thought about or discussed only linguistically.... In the beginning was the LOGOS, the word/name,by which something came forth .... WEEK could indicate the phases of the moon getting weaker. MOON itself is related to MINUS. But where does NEDELYA come from? |
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Post by thesageofmainstreet on Nov 27, 2021 20:01:18 GMT
[Logology Page 61] Above I mentioned that the Greek concept of "/Week/" [7 days] was retained by the Hebrew writer of "Genesis", even though it was no longer associated with the 7 planets or planetary gods, for at least in Genesis-2, only one god, Yahweh, was to be recognized and adopted/chosen, the God who, said Moses, delivered the Israelites out of Egypt. To what ethnicity did his God belong? The exant Bibles offer no clue about his ethnicity since the name was translated into Greek as Theos [=god] and into Latin as Deus [=god, although the Latin name is Laconic (Doric) and is a variant of "Zeus"]. {At the time of Romqn occupation, a Roman soldier unerstood -- from the myths -- that Yahweh was the same god who elsewhere is called Zeus or Jupiter. This substantive equivalence is questnable; linguistically, "Yahweh is akin to the Egyptian Ya, the moon-god, and to the Doric Yah, the rain-god whose cultural existence I demonstrated in my book about Indo-European languages.} // The Hebrew retained also the naming day, though the 8th day after birth, when babies are circumsized, according to the Covenant. This is logical, since the day of birth is not the first day after birth.// Much more remains to be said ..... Around 4000 BC, the Mongols invaded the Caucasus, driving out the Indo-Europeans and the Jews, who, because they are completely different from the Semites are actually Aryan (the Germans are predominantly non-Aryan)! So Yah-weh, which in Latin was pronounced Yo-way, is derived from two IE words meaning "go" and "run for your lives." It appeared in Greek as IO, a wandering goddess. Yah-weh is a cruel god, so the Hebrews must have been captured and enslaved. The myth of Moses may actually be about that, since he doesn't appear in any Egyptian records. |
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Post by joustos on Nov 27, 2021 21:06:31 GMT
[Logology Page 61] Above I mentioned that the Greek concept of "/Week/" [7 days] was retained by the Hebrew writer of "Genesis", even though it was no longer associated with the 7 planets or planetary gods, for at least in Genesis-2, only one god, Yahweh, was to be recognized and adopted/chosen, the God who, said Moses, delivered the Israelites out of Egypt. To what ethnicity did his God belong? The exant Bibles offer no clue about his ethnicity since the name was translated into Greek as Theos [=god] and into Latin as Deus [=god, although the Latin name is Laconic (Doric) and is a variant of "Zeus"]. {At the time of Romqn occupation, a Roman soldier unerstood -- from the myths -- that Yahweh was the same god who elsewhere is called Zeus or Jupiter. This substantive equivalence is questnable; linguistically, "Yahweh is akin to the Egyptian Ya, the moon-god, and to the Doric Yah, the rain-god whose cultural existence I demonstrated in my book about Indo-European languages.} // The Hebrew retained also the naming day, though the 8th day after birth, when babies are circumsized, according to the Covenant. // Much more remains to be said ..... Around 4000 BC, the Mongols invaded the Caucasus, driving out the Indo-Europeans and the Jews, who, because they are completely different from the Semites are actually Aryan (the Germans are predominantly non-Aryan)! So Yah-weh, which in Latin was pronounced Yo-way, is derived from two IE words meaning "go" and "run for your lives." It appeared in Greek as IO, a wandering goddess. Yah-weh is a cruel god, so the Hebrews must have been captured and enslaved. The myth of Moses may actually be about that, since he doesn't appear in any Egyptian records. gree that the original Jews (the Is raelites) were not Semites, but I don't think there were Jews by the Caucasus around 4000 B.C. // I mentioned the Dorian Yah [romanized as Ja], which is actually often spelled in Greek as "Ia" and occurs mostly in compound words. It has the variant "IO/JO", which occurs in Latin, but it has nothing to do with the Greek goddess IO, the basis of our "Ionic Sea",even though the similarity of IO and JO can lead one to adduce the goddess in the equation. // As the Dorians brought Yah/Ia/Ja into "Palestine", it's not suprising that we find the name in Ugaritic Canaanite (later also in Hebrew), as in the name "Eli-ja", a hybrid of the Semitic/Aramaic ELI [=god;divine] and I.E./Doric Ya. In Ugarit they thought that Ya was a son of their Elohim, the supreme Gods, who, says the inheriting Bible, fashioned Man in their own image:on male and one female.//Amen for now. |
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