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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Oct 19, 2021 18:32:23 GMT
If God is the creator and man is made in the image of God then man is a creator; therefore the creation of the term "God" is man working in image of the creator with the creator creating the creator through the created.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Nov 19, 2021 3:21:09 GMT
Seems like a part of you're resisting an atheistic thought, so that's indeed good. The term "God" is a term. This doesn't automatically mean something definitely positive. Of course if you're not one of those Jewish gematria tradition followers, because, honestly, that Jewish tradition sucks. A person who doesn't want to be a stiff-necked one must understand that God is the One and the Only, the Alpha and Omega of the University and all what's been created and will be created. No need those archivers or compressing theories of, for instance, how can the name "God" can be extracted from a certain formula. Why? Are there nothing to do good? Faith, the real faith is not in deciphering Bible text, it's a really real and the reality real thing – is living a real life. Jesus Christ objected Pharisees, and contrary to that He cared mostly about fishermen, tax-gatherers, and shepherds. Ordinary people are not really so ordinary. That "ordinariness" is something itchy for "the intellectuals", for the new Pharisees. The term "God" is imaginary only for atheists – for those who does not care about believing in God and prayers. Yes, for them it is "imaginary". The creation of the term "God" is God creating himself in time and space through his image (man). !!!! God (only if you haven't been mentioning devil all the time) need not any self creation. He (God) does not need in anything, especially such a miserable creation as a man. As the free will was given to him, he used it for ruining that act of gift.
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Post by MAYA-EL on Nov 19, 2021 5:35:24 GMT
Gematria comes from the Kabbalah the Kabbalah is the spiritual side of Judaism Judaism is the daddy of Christianity. All one big happy family Greek influence to Christianity was too fat and too major. Not few books confirm it. For instance, Russell's comparison them with the Stoic school. Different papers of the Father of Church, i.e. like Origenes, St. Justin the Philosopher, and many others. Indeed these two branches don't have many similarities. Of course, for non theists these two branches are heading one point. If to say it in a more precise and in a more correct way: those two branches are pursuing two points which in general has one direction - a theistic one. Of course there's vast differences between the two but the similarities that they have are because they come from the same tree. You can't have an apple and say it didn't come from an apple tree I've had this discussion many times with my Jewish friends that practice kabala for over 20 years.
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Post by Elizabeth on Nov 19, 2021 6:36:25 GMT
The image of God simply reflects the main thing but it isn't the main thing. Like a mirror will show our image but it isn't a real human but simply an image or reflection of something. The image only exists if the real thing exists and dies the moment the real thing puts an end to it. We are created to be the mirror that God looks into in a way. In terms of our actions which must align or reflect God's actions. Otherwise it is a broken mirror that is no longer very useful.
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Nov 24, 2021 21:19:16 GMT
The creation of the term "God" is God creating himself in time and space through his image (man). !!!! God (only if you haven't been mentioning devil all the time) need not any self creation. He (God) does not need in anything, especially such a miserable creation as a man. As the free will was given to him, he used it for ruining that act of gift. God existing through time and space requires God as perpetually renewing himself through time and space given that which exists through time and space must repeat in order to exist. Time and space requires repetition in order to exist due to movement which is required in order to exist. For example a particle moving from point A to point B necessitates the particle as repeating itself in a new position. God as moving through time and space does not negate God as omnipresent but rather proves God as omnipresent given he exists beyond time and space but through time and space as well. God as existing through time and space is God existing through creation which is a mirroring of God. This mirroring of God, through creation, is God seen approximately through a veil.
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Post by jonbain on Nov 24, 2021 21:57:55 GMT
There is a paradox in the idea that God is all-powerful. One of those powers must be to be able to give up that power; and make himself less than all powerful; if he did not do this, then he would not be all-powerful.
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Nov 24, 2021 22:02:27 GMT
There is a paradox in the idea that God is all-powerful. One of those powers must be to be able to give up that power; and make himself less than all powerful; if he did not do this, then he would not be all-powerful. God is a paradox given all being is paradoxical when view through the lens of time. God is the supreme paradox. That is why I leans toward Christianity.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Nov 24, 2021 22:15:20 GMT
!!!! God (only if you haven't been mentioning devil all the time) need not any self creation. He (God) does not need in anything, especially such a miserable creation as a man. As the free will was given to him, he used it for ruining that act of gift. God existing through time and space requires God as perpetually renewing himself through time and space given that which exists through time and space must repeat in order to exist. Time and space requires repetition in order to exist due to movement which is required in order to exist. For example a particle moving from point A to point B necessitates the particle as repeating itself in a new position. God as moving through time and space does not negate God as omnipresent but rather proves God as omnipresent given he exists beyond time and space but through time and space as well. God as existing through time and space is God existing through creation which is a mirroring of God. This mirroring of God, through creation, is God seen approximately through a veil. How for God is possible to be limited by time and space? If God wished He wanted to be presented in time and space. Renewing Him? This must be a joke, right? There were heresies in IV-VII centuries and the Universal Councils denied them. God is not made of material to need in some new shape. Either the god you're mentioned is not God (Christian God), or you're talking about something not Christian.
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Dec 2, 2021 21:18:32 GMT
God existing through time and space requires God as perpetually renewing himself through time and space given that which exists through time and space must repeat in order to exist. Time and space requires repetition in order to exist due to movement which is required in order to exist. For example a particle moving from point A to point B necessitates the particle as repeating itself in a new position. God as moving through time and space does not negate God as omnipresent but rather proves God as omnipresent given he exists beyond time and space but through time and space as well. God as existing through time and space is God existing through creation which is a mirroring of God. This mirroring of God, through creation, is God seen approximately through a veil. How for God is possible to be limited by time and space? If God wished He wanted to be presented in time and space. Renewing Him? This must be a joke, right? There were heresies in IV-VII centuries and the Universal Councils denied them. God is not made of material to need in some new shape. Either the god you're mentioned is not God (Christian God), or you're talking about something not Christian. 1. God exists through time and space because of his omnipresence. God existing through time and space is God existing as a limit. God is the limit of being. 2. Everything that exists in time and space must be renewed or it passes. This renewal is movement. Movement is repetition. For example a particle moving from point A to point B observes the particle repeating in a new position as it moves from one coordinate to another. God as moving in time and space is God as repeated; this repetition occurs through forms which approximate the One through the many. God exists through creation as creation is the mirroring of God. This mirroring is the manifestation of God through time and space. 3. God exists through materiality as Christ existed through materiality. God is not limited to material means but exists through them. If God could not become material he would not be God as the materiality would be the limit of God thus holding some power over God.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Dec 3, 2021 15:40:04 GMT
xxxxxxxxx Look,ot must be clear: 2. This cannot be, because in this case some other laws guarantee God's existence which is impossible for God to subordinate some laws. It's the same when you put the devil aa a deity, and try to persuade us in God's surviving the devil's laws... It is an absurd. God is almighty, and because of that no above-rules can be applied onto Him.
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Dec 8, 2021 22:26:48 GMT
xxxxxxxxx Look,ot must be clear: 2. This cannot be, because in this case some other laws guarantee God's existence which is impossible for God to subordinate some laws. It's the same when you put the devil aa a deity, and try to persuade us in God's surviving the devil's laws... It is an absurd. God is almighty, and because of that no above-rules can be applied onto Him. 1. God as subordinate to some laws is God subordinate to himself as God is supreme law. To be subordinate to himself necessitates God as existing through multiple states with this subordination further necessitating God as existing in all positions of time and space be it high or low. 2. God allows the devil to act thus subordinating himself to the devil's actions because the devil cannot act except through creation with creation being God's will. 3. To be almighty God must be universal and as universal exists above and below the laws as a self sustained law.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Dec 8, 2021 22:38:11 GMT
xxxxxxxxx Look,ot must be clear: 2. This cannot be, because in this case some other laws guarantee God's existence which is impossible for God to subordinate some laws. It's the same when you put the devil aa a deity, and try to persuade us in God's surviving the devil's laws... It is an absurd. God is almighty, and because of that no above-rules can be applied onto Him. 1. God as subordinate to some laws is God subordinate to himself as God is supreme law. To be subordinate to himself necessitates God as existing through multiple states with this subordination further necessitating God as existing in all positions of time and space be it high or low. 2. God allows the devil to act thus subordinating himself to the devil's actions because the devil cannot act except through creation with creation being God's will. 3. To be almighty God must be universal and as universal exists above and below the laws as a self sustained law. 1. God is not God only because of His "Gon-ness". This just cannot be. God IS always, more than God, and – beyond all reasonable doubt – more what we do know about God. If we had dared, we would automatically have failed, cause there must be one God. Not more. 3. What universal before the creation of anything?????.... No, this obviously wrong
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Dec 8, 2021 22:53:08 GMT
1. God as subordinate to some laws is God subordinate to himself as God is supreme law. To be subordinate to himself necessitates God as existing through multiple states with this subordination further necessitating God as existing in all positions of time and space be it high or low. 2. God allows the devil to act thus subordinating himself to the devil's actions because the devil cannot act except through creation with creation being God's will. 3. To be almighty God must be universal and as universal exists above and below the laws as a self sustained law. 1. God is not God only because of His "Gon-ness". This just cannot be. God IS always, more than God, and – beyond all reasonable doubt – more what we do know about God. If we had dared, we would automatically have failed, cause there must be one God. Not more. 3. What universal before the creation of anything?????.... No, this obviously wrong 1. For God to transcend Being would be God to occur as Nothingness given nothingness is not being (as what is outside of being is nothing). God is both Being and Non-Being. 2. Space is universal before the creation of forms.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Dec 9, 2021 6:18:12 GMT
1. God is not God only because of His "Gon-ness". This just cannot be. God IS always, more than God, and – beyond all reasonable doubt – more what we do know about God. If we had dared, we would automatically have failed, cause there must be one God. Not more. 3. What universal before the creation of anything?????.... No, this obviously wrong 1. For God to transcend Being would be God to occur as Nothingness given nothingness is not being (as what is outside of being is nothing). God is both Being and Non-Being. 2. Space is universal before the creation of forms. 1. No way. God became Human – Jesus Christ. God could appear to humans as a flaming bush, or as the whole universe. Your "version of God" is a version of a metaphysical concept, nothing more. You talk about God the way He is not a person. I don't like it, and have no wish to continue discussing God in this way. It's not even a polite way to diminish God to HIS OWN parts of creation. It's the same as to say: there exists one God's creation by which God can be controlled... It is a pure nonsense. 2. The same is here. So what if the universal is prior to the others creations. (Which is not true, by the way. The universe is a totality of the union, or the set of things. One thing is not the universe, or else God would be universe also. But God does not create Himself!)
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Post by joustos on Dec 9, 2021 17:27:53 GMT
If God is the creator and man is made in the image of God then man is a creator; therefore the creation of the term "God" is man working in image of the creator with the creator creating the creator through the created. Instead of dealing with the term "God", which is an English word, you are dealing with one connotation of the concept "God" and you interlace it with the human creation of.... the term? .... the concept?.... //To avoid ambiguity, I like these scribing modes, which everybody should use: (1) The creation of the term "God" -- if you wish to talk about this very English word, "God". In this case, you are a linguist. (2) The creation of "/God/" = The creation of the concept which in English is expressed by the word "God". ["/Ho Theos/", in Greek] (3) The creation of "/god/" = The creation of the generic concept which in English is expressed by the word/term "god". (4) The creation or the generation of a god --if you wish to deal with what the term "god" denotes [in one's own mind, whether the denoted thing is real or imaginary/fictitious]. In this case,you are a theologian. For #2: In this case,you have to be a culture historian, who may not deal separately with the creation/formation of the concept and the invention of the linguistic term. If you want to deal with the formation of the concept in today's individuals [who have a liguistic inheritance], then you are a philosophical psychologist....
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Post by thesageofmainstreet on Dec 9, 2021 21:38:21 GMT
If God is the creator and man is made in the image of God then man is a creator; therefore the creation of the term "God" is man working in image of the creator with the creator creating the creator through the created. Instead of dealing with the term "God", which is an English word, you are dealing with one connotation of the concept "God" and you interlace it with the human creation of.... the term? .... the concept?.... //To avoid ambiguity, I like these scribing modes, which everybody should use: (1) The creation of the term "God" -- if you wish to talk about this very English word, "God". In this case, you are a linguist. (2) The creation of "/God/" = The creation of the concept which in English is expressed by the word "God". ["/Ho Theos/", in Greek] (3) The creation of "/god/" = The creation of the generic concept which in English is expressed by the word/term "god". (4) The creation or the generation of a god --if you wish to deal with what the term "god" denotes [in one's own mind, whether the denoted thing is real or imaginary/fictitious]. In this case,you are a theologian. For #2: In this case,you have to be a culture historian, who may not deal separately with the creation/formation of the concept and the invention of the linguistic term. If you want to deal with the formation of the concept in today's individuals [who have a liguistic inheritance], then you are a philosophical psychologist.... Theists Are Popcorn-Munchers THEOS means "a vision" and is related to the word THEATER.
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