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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Jul 5, 2021 21:53:33 GMT
Thought results in thought. A thought is tied to neural impulses. Neural impulses result from one thought causing another thus a thought results in physical changes.
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Post by jonbain on Jul 6, 2021 16:28:10 GMT
Neurology is almost entirely quackery.
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Jul 6, 2021 16:30:26 GMT
Neurology is almost entirely quackery. But this not change the fact that a thought in the brain is tied to a neural impulse.
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Post by jonbain on Jul 6, 2021 21:00:14 GMT
Neurology is almost entirely quackery. But this not change the fact that a thought in the brain is tied to a neural impulse. Oh but it does. We only anthropomorphize that thoughts are tied to neural impulses, because the brain is situated behind the eye, and between the ears, precisely where we picture the center of our perceptions. Rupert Sheldrake for instance claims that the brain's only function is to cool the blood, and that the spine is the connection between body and spirit. He claims that he has witnessed numerous autopsies of fully functional people that did not even have anything more than fluid inside their cranium. (read his "The Science Delusion") The idea that the "brain" holds thought, has been bandied around for endless centuries, with an infinite variety of theories, claiming all sorts of various jargon-based sophistry. But can you even isolate a single experiment that you can do yourself that can prove the brain is more vital than the spine? nah. But I can prove that neurology is crap-artistry in 1 word: marijuana
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Jul 6, 2021 21:07:29 GMT
But this not change the fact that a thought in the brain is tied to a neural impulse. Oh but it does. We only anthropomorphize that thoughts are tied to neural impulses, because the brain is situated behind the eye, and between the ears, precisely where we picture the center of our perceptions. Rupert Sheldrake for instance claims that the brain's only function is to cool the blood, and that the spine is the connection between body and spirit. He claims that he has witnessed numerous autopsies of fully functional people that did not even have anything more than fluid inside their cranium. (read his "The Science Delusion") The idea that the "brain" holds thought, has been bandied around for endless centuries, with an infinite variety of theories, claiming all sorts of various jargon-based sophistry. But can you even isolate a single experiment that you can do yourself that can prove the brain is more vital than the spine? nah. But I can prove that neurology is crap-artistry in 1 word: marijuana The fundamental argument remains the same. If thought is tied to the spine then thought exists as neural impulses and results in neural impulses. These impulses are physical thus necessitating thoughts as tied to and forming the physical.
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Post by jonbain on Jul 6, 2021 21:20:32 GMT
xxxxxxxxx what a slippery slope of ideas you fall down a is tied to b therefore a exists as b therefore a necessitates b your argument has zero logic to it it only exists as the original claims reworded if i can imagine a perfect circle then their must be a perfect circle in the "brain" but there just ain't such a thing at all i can think in terms of 5d space if i put my mind to it thus there must be 5d space in the "brain" but there ain't that neither so thoughts are clearly more than mere 3d brains (or spines or bodies)
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Jul 6, 2021 21:25:55 GMT
xxxxxxxxx what a slippery slope of ideas you fall down a is tied to b therefore a exists as b therefore a necessitates b your argument has zero logic to it it only exists as the original claims reworded if i can imagine a perfect circle then their must be a perfect circle in the "brain" but there just ain't such a thing at all i can think in terms of 5d space of i put my mind to it thus there must be 5d space in the "brain" but there ain't that neither so thoughts are clearly more than mere 3d brains (or spines or bodies) Thoughts exist through impulses but are not limited to them. The perfect circle exists as neurological impulses as all thoughts exist through these impulses. Evidence of this is people having impaired cognitive abilities after head trauma. A being tied to B observes A existing through B. The cause exists through the effect in a new form. The circle exists through impulses. Further evidence of this can be observed in certain areas of the brain being stimulated resulting in the experience of spirituality or another presence being observed.
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Post by thesageofmainstreet on Jul 7, 2021 16:43:11 GMT
xxxxxxxxx what a slippery slope of ideas you fall down a is tied to b therefore a exists as b therefore a necessitates b your argument has zero logic to it it only exists as the original claims reworded if i can imagine a perfect circle then their must be a perfect circle in the "brain" but there just ain't such a thing at all i can think in terms of 5d space if i put my mind to it thus there must be 5d space in the "brain" but there ain't that neither so thoughts are clearly more than mere 3d brains (or spines or bodies) Juggle, Jumble, and Jump off a CliffDreams are not mental. They contradict any functional mental processes, because there is no connectivity between time, space, and conformity to cause and effect. Therefore, they are merely irrational physical discharges from the brain of incomplete thoughts, of which we have many. They are leftovers thrown into the dump.
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Post by jonbain on Jul 9, 2021 21:11:22 GMT
xxxxxxxxx what a slippery slope of ideas you fall down a is tied to b therefore a exists as b therefore a necessitates b your argument has zero logic to it it only exists as the original claims reworded if i can imagine a perfect circle then their must be a perfect circle in the "brain" but there just ain't such a thing at all i can think in terms of 5d space if i put my mind to it thus there must be 5d space in the "brain" but there ain't that neither so thoughts are clearly more than mere 3d brains (or spines or bodies) Juggle, Jumble, and Jump off a CliffDreams are not mental. They contradict any functional mental processes, because there is no connectivity between time, space, and conformity to cause and effect. Therefore, they are merely irrational physical discharges from the brain of incomplete thoughts, of which we have many. They are leftovers thrown into the dump. YOUR dreams are thus. My dreams have become increasingly more real than this physical world over the decades of studying spirituality. Perfect conformity to time and space and causality in numerous instances, but not always. Even to the point of visualizing 4-dimensional space, seeing my own hand from 4d perspective, was astounding. Crystal clear memories (just a few) from past lives. Perfect narrative dreams, with "voice-over" from spirits wiser than me. Stories that go on from night to night, picking up where the last one left off. Teaching me things I had not even heard of in this world. Better scripted than anything you'll see in the movies. And more vivid and real than even this waking life. But it takes effort to get there. Emotional effort impossible to describe, here. You have to be ready to die for truth.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jul 10, 2021 21:53:04 GMT
The fact is the phrase
"A thought is tied to neural processes"
is broken. Not because it's impossible for a thought to be that neural, but for another reason:
What makes you be sure that a thought is tied to neurons, not to something else?
Let's take the other take:
P1. A thought results in a thought or thoughts (assumed) P2. A thought has its beginning and its end (assumed) P3. Anything that has beginning or end has parts (assumed) P4. A thought has parts (instantiated P2, P3) P5. Anything that has parts is complex (assumed) P6. A thought is complex (ins. P4, P5) P7. It's possible that if there's no one who can understand a certain thought, there is no thought (assumed) P8. If there's no thought, there is some other stuff, than a thought has (assumed) P9. It's possible that something that isn't a thought has the other stuff, than a thought (syllogism P8, P9) P10. Having a stuff is either to be made by this stuff, or to produce this stuff, or both (assumed) P11. A thought is as being made by some stuff, so produces it (disjunction P10, P1) P12. It's possible that a thought is a complex mechanism (assumed by P6, P11) P13. It's possible that a thought is a recursive mechanism (assumed by P1, P12) P14. Neurons exist due to the energy of the body (fact) P15. Neurons cannot sustain their own work (inference from P14) P16. Any recursive mechanism are able to sustain their own work iff its the recursive function is enough powerful to long itself (math fact; as "fractals") P17. A thought is able to sustain its own work (inference from P1, P13, P16) P18. It's possible for a thought to exist without neurons (inference from all above).
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Jul 12, 2021 16:42:14 GMT
The fact is the phrase "A thought is tied to neural processes" is broken. Not because it's impossible for a thought to be that neural, but for another reason: What makes you be sure that a thought is tied to neurons, not to something else? Let's take the other take: P1. A thought results in a thought or thoughts (assumed) P2. A thought has its beginning and its end (assumed) P3. Anything that has beginning or end has parts (assumed) P4. A thought has parts (instantiated P2, P3) P5. Anything that has parts is complex (assumed) P6. A thought is complex (ins. P4, P5) P7. It's possible that if there's no one who can understand a certain thought, there is no thought (assumed) P8. If there's no thought, there is some other stuff, than a thought has (assumed) P9. It's possible that something that isn't a thought has the other stuff, than a thought (syllogism P8, P9) P10. Having a stuff is either to be made by this stuff, or to produce this stuff, or both (assumed) P11. A thought is as being made by some stuff, so produces it (disjunction P10, P1) P12. It's possible that a thought is a complex mechanism (assumed by P6, P11) P13. It's possible that a thought is a recursive mechanism (assumed by P1, P12) P14. Neurons exist due to the energy of the body (fact) P15. Neurons cannot sustain their own work (inference from P14) P16. Any recursive mechanism are able to sustain their own work iff its the recursive function is enough powerful to long itself (math fact; as "fractals") P17. A thought is able to sustain its own work (inference from P1, P13, P16) P18. It's possible for a thought to exist without neurons (inference from all above). A thought is tied to neurons given the damage to the brain results in cognitive impairment.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jul 12, 2021 16:48:39 GMT
The fact is the phrase "A thought is tied to neural processes" is broken. Not because it's impossible for a thought to be that neural, but for another reason: What makes you be sure that a thought is tied to neurons, not to something else? Let's take the other take: P1. A thought results in a thought or thoughts (assumed) P2. A thought has its beginning and its end (assumed) P3. Anything that has beginning or end has parts (assumed) P4. A thought has parts (instantiated P2, P3) P5. Anything that has parts is complex (assumed) P6. A thought is complex (ins. P4, P5) P7. It's possible that if there's no one who can understand a certain thought, there is no thought (assumed) P8. If there's no thought, there is some other stuff, than a thought has (assumed) P9. It's possible that something that isn't a thought has the other stuff, than a thought (syllogism P8, P9) P10. Having a stuff is either to be made by this stuff, or to produce this stuff, or both (assumed) P11. A thought is as being made by some stuff, so produces it (disjunction P10, P1) P12. It's possible that a thought is a complex mechanism (assumed by P6, P11) P13. It's possible that a thought is a recursive mechanism (assumed by P1, P12) P14. Neurons exist due to the energy of the body (fact) P15. Neurons cannot sustain their own work (inference from P14) P16. Any recursive mechanism are able to sustain their own work iff its the recursive function is enough powerful to long itself (math fact; as "fractals") P17. A thought is able to sustain its own work (inference from P1, P13, P16) P18. It's possible for a thought to exist without neurons (inference from all above). A thought is tied to neurons given the damage to the brain results in cognitive impairment. Not exactly, it's not. You can say that the damage of the neuron system causes some or may some effect on thinking, and that's all. You can say it widely claiming that the neurons and thoughts are one and the same, it's a contra law claim.
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Post by xxxxxxxxx on Jul 12, 2021 16:58:08 GMT
A thought is tied to neurons given the damage to the brain results in cognitive impairment. Not exactly, it's not. You can say that the damage of the neuron system causes some or may some effect on thinking, and that's all. You can say it widely claiming that the neurons and thoughts are one and the same, it's a contra law claim. Thoughts exist through neurons but are not limited to them.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jul 12, 2021 17:01:03 GMT
Not exactly, it's not. You can say that the damage of the neuron system causes some or may some effect on thinking, and that's all. You can say it widely claiming that the neurons and thoughts are one and the same, it's a contra law claim. Thoughts exist through neurons but are not limited to them. Look, I know that it can be possible, but it is not necessary. What you're saying is a fact, but that is to be a brute fact. We can be sure that scientifically you're right, while not 100% right. So, okay, if to take it as a scientific fact is okay, while however it's exaggeration. We don't know yet where the thoughts begin and what are they. To say that we've known it is the same as to claim we do know what consciousness is. And we don't.
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