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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jun 9, 2021 13:24:08 GMT
Einstein's quote is that God doesn't play dice, while it's indeed a dubious claim.
1. God can play dice, He is God and, therefore, He's almighty. Throwing dice has no real efforts.
2. Somebody can object it saying that that wasn't Einstein's thought, and we have to understand it as God doesn't leave anything up to fate; God knows everything.
There's nothing to disappoint about, this argument isn't well good either.
God can leave some processes for their own, and He may allow things be changing by some laws, plus the laws can also be done variative.
3. The more important is that God's will and decisions can left untouched and fair by allowing some free will occur. God has endowed people to have free will.
Compatibilism is the answer. Imagine a closed graph with repeatable branches. We have a start point A and a final point Z. All B to Y would be like a maze: leaping from B to, for instance, K, or from V to G. Repeatable branches allow to leap from F to H by certain various ways.
For God it's fair to know all the points what someone chooses, while not knowing which ones routes (i.e. the branches) that will be. God does know how all starts, ends, and He knows any intermediate conditions. He knows that anything how a person acts the result will be predictable.
4*. There's an objection to that having free will isn't in picking equivalent or similar routes, but it's not real counterargument since we don't know why it can't be the free will example, and we can't be sure about configurations as such free will acts.
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Post by antor on Jun 9, 2021 13:53:37 GMT
The quote was Einsteins reply to Heisenbergs uncertainty principle. Which made physics inherently undeterministic. Now would God allow non-determinism? Maybe God (in theory) has all the true outcomes of all interactions but just doesn't use the information. So in that case, I see no contradiction.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jun 9, 2021 15:47:40 GMT
The quote was Einsteins reply to Heisenbergs uncertainty principle. Which made physics inherently undeterministic. Now would God allow non-determinism? Maybe God (in theory) has all the true outcomes of all interactions but just doesn't use the information. So in that case, I see no contradiction. Thanks for the addition of Heisenberg. No using of information is contingent. My scheme supposes both: determinism and indeterminism. One of such an example: an apple can have different shades of colours and different size, and at the same time it's main characteristics don't change. And some of those properties like color don't require to have causes, or they've got probability function of it, while some main characteristics are determined. There might be another example: given the apple will be eaten, while in which ways or by whom we mightn't know. Well, I can't say about how far the phrase is contradictory; it's quite weird.
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Post by Triangle on Jun 10, 2021 10:02:20 GMT
But God only works by necessity. So, what is the necessity of throwing dices?
Also, he can make the idea of dice, and the formula of throwing.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jun 10, 2021 10:18:37 GMT
But God only works by necessity. So, what is the necessity of throwing dices? Also, he can make the idea of dice, and the formula of throwing. Can't say I agree with you. There's no necessity over God.
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Post by Triangle on Jun 10, 2021 10:45:44 GMT
But God only works by necessity. So, what is the necessity of throwing dices? Also, he can make the idea of dice, and the formula of throwing. Can't say I agree with you. There's no necessity over God. Clearly, but God only works by necessity. Not the human necessity, obviously, but the natural necessity. The necessity with is in all natural things.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Jun 10, 2021 12:22:40 GMT
Can't say I agree with you. There's no necessity over God. Clearly, but God only works by necessity. Not the human necessity, obviously, but the natural necessity. The necessity with is in all natural things. You know, it's possible that God does something necessary, but at the same time it's a strange claim. God is familiar with our activities and we can't say the same about His ones. For sure, God does good by His will that is quite unknown to us. How can we predict God's moves? Perhaps we cannot.
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Post by fschmidt on Jun 10, 2021 16:10:57 GMT
The quote was Einsteins reply to Heisenbergs uncertainty principle. No it was Einstein's comment to Niels Bohr on quantum mechanics. The uncertainty principle doesn't contradict determinism but quantum mechanics does. Niels Bohr replied to Einstein telling him not to tell God what to do.
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Post by Triangle on Jun 10, 2021 16:17:59 GMT
Clearly, but God only works by necessity. Not the human necessity, obviously, but the natural necessity. The necessity with is in all natural things. You know, it's possible that God does something necessary, but at the same time it's a strange claim. God is familiar with our activities and we can't say the same about His ones. For sure, God does good by His will that is quite unknown to us. How can we predict God's moves? Perhaps we cannot. Paul the apostle, if I remenber well, in the beautiful 1 corinth 13 says that we part know, and part prophetize. So, maybe is the key for the problem.
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