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Post by jonbain on Apr 17, 2021 15:28:14 GMT
People are saying US vs Russia war in Crimea and Donetsk is currently going down.
Any clues about this ?
or just more blabla?
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Post by karl on Apr 17, 2021 16:00:56 GMT
Russia is trying to blackmail Ukraine into making a deal that allows Russia indirect control over Eastern Ukraine. I doubt Russia wishes to annex more of Ukraine after they took Crimea, since it would be too costly. Annexing Crimea blew a hole in the Russian budget, due to it being a poor region, and Eastern Ukraine is also considerably poorer than Russia. It's a bit like when Western and Eastern Germany united, leading to the new Germany having to drastically raise interest rates, which caused the devaluation of other European currencies.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Apr 17, 2021 16:15:26 GMT
jonbainI apologize for not answering right now - now I'm busy on writing some articles. Another participant - Dktrav88 - also told me about such things, but I couldn't get the resource he'd been using. In such times of desinformation is something routine, it can be another type of fat false news to be shared. I mean it can be interpret as "the war" if we look at is as the intentionally inspired propaganda that, probably, comes from Russia. I speak to as Crimea so Donbass time to time, but no real big changes hear now.
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Post by jonbain on Apr 17, 2021 19:14:33 GMT
Eugene 2.0keep us posted you are the official eastern europe news team from my perspective
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Apr 17, 2021 19:36:17 GMT
Eugene 2.0 keep us posted you are the official eastern europe news team from my perspective Thanks!! I'd like to answer as soon as I can. It's just when I'm trying to concentrate on writing a paper, it's really uneasy for me to answer... So, please, dozens of excuses for no answer from my side!
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Post by jonbain on Apr 17, 2021 21:23:36 GMT
Putin: Excuse me, mr Biden, we cannot have this war right now. Biden: Why on Earth not? Putin: Eugene 2.0 is writing a paper...
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Apr 18, 2021 5:55:25 GMT
Putin: Excuse me, mr Biden, we cannot have this war right now. Biden: Why on Earth not? Putin: Eugene 2.0 is writing a paper... :) :) :) :) :)...
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Post by karl on Apr 24, 2021 0:44:34 GMT
Russian forces are retreating.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Apr 24, 2021 4:59:26 GMT
Russian forces are retreating.
Eight years ago no one in Ukraine would never even think about any conflict between Russia and Ukraine. I guess Putin had crossed Rubicon by his intentions – he should never start war; sane people prefer peace.
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Post by jonbain on Apr 24, 2021 14:13:27 GMT
Russian forces are retreating.
Eight years ago no one in Ukraine would never even think about any conflict between Russia and Ukraine. I guess Putin had crossed Rubicon by his intentions – he should never start war; sane people prefer peace. ... but passive-aggressive thieves and fraudsters rely on the preference for peace to perpetuate aggression in the guise of peace (lies and slander and fraud). Then, when there is no alternative but to clobber them, they whine about how their victims are the aggressors.
Neutral ignorant bystanders who only see the clobbering, immediately jump to the 'rescue' of the thief.
The overpopulation tactic has been used throughout history to try and over-power those who conserve the resources better.
They typically use their children as cannon-fodder.
Oldest trick in the book.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Apr 24, 2021 14:57:08 GMT
Eight years ago no one in Ukraine would never even think about any conflict between Russia and Ukraine. I guess Putin had crossed Rubicon by his intentions – he should never start war; sane people prefer peace. ... but passive-aggressive thieves and fraudsters rely on the preference for peace to perpetuate aggression in the guise of peace (lies and slander and fraud). Then, when there is no alternative but to clobber them, they whine about how their victims are the aggressors.
Neutral ignorant bystanders who only see the clobbering, immediately jump to the 'rescue' of the thief.
The overpopulation tactic has been used throughout history to try and over-power those who conserve the resources better.
They typically use their children as cannon-fodder.
Oldest trick in the book.
Hmm... That's an interesting thought. A military one, or maybe a political one; and in general, a strategy and a tactical thinking style. This style is important, especially in the conditions like those ones. Unfortunately, that's what I want the less, because, I guess, I have spent my best years with no wars or smth. Most of my acquaintances or people who I know more or less got used to those pre-war consciousness, and they've been living by it. People like Putin and so on - I would call him a 'boomer' (from the word "boom" or "to boom") - like to live by using many "tactical operations" or "local wars" all over the word: from Afghanistan to Syria. But not everyone likes it. I guess many reasons of having the situation be like that is that of such a terrible organization in the past as "KGB". Instead of acting like a normal people they were lizards in human flesh, and they killed people. Post-Stalin era was more or less calm, and usually the conflicts during the cold war were for to fright or to decide some political influence (in the question of the middle or east Europe, the middle Asia, and so on). And at the same time KGB wasn't fair and clear; they worked to search and find "enemies of the state", and I'd say they acted like in was Stalin after his own death. Such a weird dualistic situation finally blew up when Putin got the power to rule. That's why it explains why not many citizens want to struggle - such methods now are just total absurd.
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Post by jonbain on Apr 25, 2021 11:23:21 GMT
Eugene 2.0It seems to me (I am far way from these issues, I admit), that Putin played a big role in the dismantling of the KGB structures. I used to think very highly of him, until he jumped onto the band-wagon of medical fascist quackery currently being used as an excuse for euthanasia. The world leaders are desperate for solutions, because the real info is not reaching their ears as to what real science and real philosophy entails. Freedom and law require balance. Too many people take one side due to bad experiences with the other side instead of thinking about the reasons for their bad experiences.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Apr 25, 2021 12:15:05 GMT
Eugene 2.0 It seems to me (I am far way from these issues, I admit), that Putin played a big role in the dismantling of the KGB structures. I used to think very highly of him, until he jumped onto the band-wagon of medical fascist quackery currently being used as an excuse for euthanasia. The world leaders are desperate for solutions, because the real info is not reaching their ears as to what real science and real philosophy entails. Freedom and law require balance. Too many people take one side due to bad experiences with the other side instead of thinking about the reasons for their bad experiences. Surely, I could join to your thoughts that for some time Putin wasn't so weird in his plans. People saw a leader in him, while his intentions was turned to his selfish ways. "Putin played a big role in the dismantling of the KGB structures" - even if this is true, he's killed many formers compatriots of him, which isn't good in all aspects. For instance, all the traces in killing of many generals like general Lebedev lead to him. "The world leaders are desperate for solutions, because the real info is not reaching their ears as to what real science and real philosophy entails" - this truly is. Unfortunately not all the dictators are free from greed and selfishness. This doesn't lead to balance also. So, I guess the main problem is in that there's still a war between "elites", "the middle class", and "the untouchables". One of books of Orthodox Church history Hugh Wybrew that calls "The Orthodox Liturgy" reveals a history of how architecture, a structure of worships, types of dresses, variety of hymns and prayers has been changed during the history of Eastern Christianity. And in this book the author presented some interesting tips about the distance (in all the relations) between common believers and the clerics had been raising, and become wider and wider. One of such verifiers is the iconostasis. Perhaps you already know that the Eastern altars are covered by iconostasis from people. And that distance become more far relatively to the processes of changing the Eastern Slavs inner separations; I mean at first to monarchy, and then to some kind of parliamentary. But as maybe you also know that there was no capitalism on the East Lands of Slavs, except for the most last years. After falling of monarchy the commies became the rulers, and maybe it's another reason for some hotheads among the Slav politicians to think of revenge and the return to monarchy-like type of the country. Personally, I don't like any leaders, and I prefer heroes to them. This difference is totally mine, and for me the heroes are those who are ready to sacrifice themselves for the others, while the leaders want to rule. Heroes might rule, but that not of their priorities. I know that it would be an exaggeration, yet I'd say that the Ukrainian Cossacks in XVI-XVIII centuries could be such heroes.
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Post by jonbain on Apr 25, 2021 16:14:41 GMT
Eugene 2.0 It seems to me (I am far way from these issues, I admit), that Putin played a big role in the dismantling of the KGB structures. I used to think very highly of him, until he jumped onto the band-wagon of medical fascist quackery currently being used as an excuse for euthanasia. The world leaders are desperate for solutions, because the real info is not reaching their ears as to what real science and real philosophy entails. Freedom and law require balance. Too many people take one side due to bad experiences with the other side instead of thinking about the reasons for their bad experiences. Surely, I could join to your thoughts that for some time Putin wasn't so weird in his plans. People saw a leader in him, while his intentions was turned to his selfish ways. "Putin played a big role in the dismantling of the KGB structures" - even if this is true, he's killed many formers compatriots of him, which isn't good in all aspects. For instance, all the traces in killing of many generals like general Lebedev lead to him. "The world leaders are desperate for solutions, because the real info is not reaching their ears as to what real science and real philosophy entails" - this truly is. Unfortunately not all the dictators are free from greed and selfishness. This doesn't lead to balance also. So, I guess the main problem is in that there's still a war between "elites", "the middle class", and "the untouchables". One of books of Orthodox Church history Hugh Wybrew that calls "The Orthodox Liturgy" reveals a history of how architecture, a structure of worships, types of dresses, variety of hymns and prayers has been changed during the history of Eastern Christianity. And in this book the author presented some interesting tips about the distance (in all the relations) between common believers and the clerics had been raising, and become wider and wider. One of such verifiers is the iconostasis. Perhaps you already know that the Eastern altars are covered by iconostasis from people. And that distance become more far relatively to the processes of changing the Eastern Slavs inner separations; I mean at first to monarchy, and then to some kind of parliamentary. But as maybe you also know that there was no capitalism on the East Lands of Slavs, except for the most last years. After falling of monarchy the commies became the rulers, and maybe it's another reason for some hotheads among the Slav politicians to think of revenge and the return to monarchy-like type of the country. Personally, I don't like any leaders, and I prefer heroes to them. This difference is totally mine, and for me the heroes are those who are ready to sacrifice themselves for the others, while the leaders want to rule. Heroes might rule, but that not of their priorities. I know that it would be an exaggeration, yet I'd say that the Ukrainian Cossacks in XVI-XVIII centuries could be such heroes. Western media pretends that Christianity is divided into catholic and protestant. Before the www I hardly even knew of orthodox Christianity. The little I know of it seems to more closely fit with my own ideas, than this western decadence whose only ties to Christianity is by name. I have never managed to ever set foot in the same church twice. Your assessment of leaders and heroes is like music to my ears. They keep trying to make me a 'leader' and I always recoil. Cossacks seem to hold an ideal place in folk tales; though I know little of them, but always something deep in my soul lights up when I hear of them.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Apr 25, 2021 17:32:23 GMT
Surely, I could join to your thoughts that for some time Putin wasn't so weird in his plans. People saw a leader in him, while his intentions was turned to his selfish ways. "Putin played a big role in the dismantling of the KGB structures" - even if this is true, he's killed many formers compatriots of him, which isn't good in all aspects. For instance, all the traces in killing of many generals like general Lebedev lead to him. "The world leaders are desperate for solutions, because the real info is not reaching their ears as to what real science and real philosophy entails" - this truly is. Unfortunately not all the dictators are free from greed and selfishness. This doesn't lead to balance also. So, I guess the main problem is in that there's still a war between "elites", "the middle class", and "the untouchables". One of books of Orthodox Church history Hugh Wybrew that calls "The Orthodox Liturgy" reveals a history of how architecture, a structure of worships, types of dresses, variety of hymns and prayers has been changed during the history of Eastern Christianity. And in this book the author presented some interesting tips about the distance (in all the relations) between common believers and the clerics had been raising, and become wider and wider. One of such verifiers is the iconostasis. Perhaps you already know that the Eastern altars are covered by iconostasis from people. And that distance become more far relatively to the processes of changing the Eastern Slavs inner separations; I mean at first to monarchy, and then to some kind of parliamentary. But as maybe you also know that there was no capitalism on the East Lands of Slavs, except for the most last years. After falling of monarchy the commies became the rulers, and maybe it's another reason for some hotheads among the Slav politicians to think of revenge and the return to monarchy-like type of the country. Personally, I don't like any leaders, and I prefer heroes to them. This difference is totally mine, and for me the heroes are those who are ready to sacrifice themselves for the others, while the leaders want to rule. Heroes might rule, but that not of their priorities. I know that it would be an exaggeration, yet I'd say that the Ukrainian Cossacks in XVI-XVIII centuries could be such heroes. Western media pretends that Christianity is divided into catholic and protestant. Before the www I hardly even knew of orthodox Christianity. The little I know of it seems to more closely fit with my own ideas, than this western decadence whose only ties to Christianity is by name. I have never managed to ever set foot in the same church twice. Your assessment of leaders and heroes is like music to my ears. They keep trying to make me a 'leader' and I always recoil. Cossacks seem to hold an ideal place in folk tales; though I know little of them, but always something deep in my soul lights up when I hear of them. In reverse, thank you very much for all of your commentaries!! There is something funny in the question of the Catholics/the Orthodox: actually the Orthodox are also Catholics, and vice versa. The thing is Catholic was a common name for all the Christianity before the great schism. As I understand it Catholic came from the Greek Ἡ Καθολικότητα - so, to be universal or "for the all of the world", or something like that. I guess it was a counterexample for local churches of those times. Because there were many churches which had been originated from the Apostles, while many wanted to see churches to be united I appeal to you, brothers and sisters, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another in what you say and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly united in mind and thought. My brothers and sisters, some from Chloe’s household have informed me that there are quarrels among you. What I mean is this: One of you says, “I follow Paul”; another, “I follow Apollos”; another, “I follow Cephas”; still another, “I follow Christ”. -- Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized in the name of Paul? I thank God that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius, so no one can say that you were baptized in my name. [1 Corinthians 1:10-15] however, for instance, according to Russell's "History of Western Philosophy" - there were greedy politicians among the bishops, and including a human factor, in general, we had some political structure behind Christianity. I guess 'the Orthodox' is a self-name that underlines that they, the Orthodox followers, haven't included anything to the original Apostles rules or decisions (plus the oecumenical councils decisions), while the Catholics have added filioque and some other things into the doctrines of Christianity.
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