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Post by Lone Wanderer on Apr 9, 2021 4:43:20 GMT
In ancient times, ‘white supremacy’ was none existent. Aristotle did say, “Too black a hue marks the coward as witness Egyptians and Ethiopians: so also, does too white a complexion as you may see from women. So the hue that makes for courage must be intermediate between these extremes. A tawny color indicates a bold spirit as in lions, but too ruddy a hue makes a rogue.” The ancient Greeks felt the most desirable color was a dark brunette or mulatto. The Greeks thought physicalstrength and muscles showed better in a dark skin than a fair one. In ancient India, the Brahmins agreed with the Greeks that neither a very fair skin nor a very dark one was desirable. Recorded in the Karma Sutra love precepts is the belief that very white and black women were not to be enjoyed.-- medium.com/@angelarmcrane/the-origins-of-color-prejudice-2b95130681bfFrom Wikipedia: The Greek and Roman people considered the Germanic and Celtic peoples to be wild, red haired barbarians. Aristotle contended that the Greeks were an ideal people because they possessed a medium skin-tone, in contrast to pale northerners.
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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 9, 2021 6:35:02 GMT
It's nice to be disqualified
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Post by Lone Wanderer on Apr 9, 2021 7:00:52 GMT
ElizabethIn my opinion, skin color plays a minor role in beauty unless someone's skin does have a strange shade. The facial features and body shape play the major role. In my book, Nicole Kidman has always been a beautiful fair skinned woman. And I have similar opinion about some very dark skinned South Sudanese models.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Apr 9, 2021 13:33:22 GMT
I always preferred blonde-haired or red-haired women with very fair skin myself. I like them Nordic women from Scandinavia the best. I guess I have reverse jungle fever for those wild red-headed barbarians but I'm exclusively descended from those wild redheaded barbarians so there's that too. But really racial characteristics are beyond secondary for me. Not being a nasty ho is top of the list.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Apr 9, 2021 14:08:28 GMT
The skin question was invented by Nazis to have something as a shield. Indeed, the ancient people had no such superstitions, except for one race - jews. In bible there are many pejorative connotations. Just we can take that Ethiopians became white after they'd been baptized by a pastor.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Apr 9, 2021 20:06:54 GMT
The skin question was invented by Nazis to have something as a shield. Indeed, the ancient people had no such superstitions, except for one race - jews. In bible there are many pejorative connotations. Just we can take that Ethiopians became white after they'd been baptized by a pastor. Skin color racism predates the Nazis in the West by many, many years. I know because I come from place where we had an apartheid system based on it starting in the early 1900's and slavery based upon it starting (in my state) in 1670. It actually started with slavery in the Americas to distinguish the slave race from the masters by creating a caste system based on skin color as I understand it and that was a Portuguese thing originally that spread to the other colonial powers. The Nazis most hated race was the Ashkenazi Jews and their skin tone is not all that different from the Germans. They hated Slavs and Mediterraneans too which are white Europeans, just not Nordics or alpines like the Germans. Nazis defined race in a much more complex manner than just skin color and these definitions came more from Victorian racial science than anything and it was "inferior" European peoples that were the victims of most of their crimes not dark skinned people.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Apr 9, 2021 20:31:09 GMT
The skin question was invented by Nazis to have something as a shield. Indeed, the ancient people had no such superstitions, except for one race - jews. In bible there are many pejorative connotations. Just we can take that Ethiopians became white after they'd been baptized by a pastor. Skin color racism predates the Nazis in the West by many, many years. I know because I come from place where we had an apartheid system based on it starting in the early 1900's and slavery based upon it starting (in my state) in 1670. It actually started with slavery in the Americas to distinguish the slave race from the masters by creating a caste system based on skin color as I understand it and that was a Portuguese thing originally that spread to the other colonial powers. The Nazis most hated race was the Ashkenazi Jews and their skin tone is not all that different from the Germans. They hated Slavs and Mediterraneans too which are white Europeans, just not Nordics or alpines like the Germans. Nazis defined race in a much more complex manner than just skin color and these definitions came more from Victorian racial science than anything and it was "inferior" European peoples that were the victims of most of their crimes not dark skinned people. Maybe, but I believe the Nazis are the ones who's started it. I see Americans as non-racists. There were no racism in America. I am sure in it, because of how Americans did what they did. And I guess it must be obvious that many Americans were pragmatists, and still are pragmatists. And a pragmatist cannot be the one. The Nazis used those "spirit of their own" or another fetish systems, so, in turn, they were holding some over-rational or over-comprehended systems to create anything. Simply, their intentions had metaphysical foundations, while Americans were rather to hold ethical foundations. Thomas Jefferson /I apologize I read him two or more years ago, so I don't really remember his ideas clearly/ told about the kinds of freedom. And I guess Americans held such straight and grounded Bible views. And I guess it must be clearly defined - that to hold a Biblical view is not bad; but to hold a certain Biblical view to protect one's own greedy /or other sinner/ wish - is the evil. In the past Jews had to concentrate their forces in nationalism. At least Bertrand Russell wrote it in his "History of Western Philosophy", Ch. II. He said that Maccabees bros had to unite and to resist their enemies. And such intentions appeared among Jews to protect their legacy. That example tells a story that is not the same in the Nazis situation. The Nazis Germany's youth - and Hitler was the one among them - saw themselves as an opposition to Weimar Republic, trying to prove that Wehrmacht Republic would be better. Maybe the things would be different in the Third Reich, but as we know Soviet Republic upheld pro-racists views of Hitler having dealt a pact between those sides. What you've written doesn't look like the apartheid. - Why? Because, for instance, in the Russian Empire lived many folks and the real a p a r t h e i d happened many times there; and I'd say that many dirty things happened to not only the "other folks" people, but to the "ours" ones. Because it depends on not "which skin" or kinda, but on - how evil are those person. And they were really evil. And it can be same the same about some people who were cruel enough. And how - how an American of those times can be taken as a racist or a nazis, if they lived by the law of Bible? No, I don't think they can be judged like that. It's the modern socialists who try to blame from all the corners the Americans in all the sins. Francis Fukuyama - is the one who tries to protect some of anti-American view by this line. Even being disagree with Mr. Fukuyama in many questions I think I agree with him that the power of US proves Americans never were apartheid fellas.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Apr 9, 2021 21:21:23 GMT
Skin color racism predates the Nazis in the West by many, many years. I know because I come from place where we had an apartheid system based on it starting in the early 1900's and slavery based upon it starting (in my state) in 1670. It actually started with slavery in the Americas to distinguish the slave race from the masters by creating a caste system based on skin color as I understand it and that was a Portuguese thing originally that spread to the other colonial powers. The Nazis most hated race was the Ashkenazi Jews and their skin tone is not all that different from the Germans. They hated Slavs and Mediterraneans too which are white Europeans, just not Nordics or alpines like the Germans. Nazis defined race in a much more complex manner than just skin color and these definitions came more from Victorian racial science than anything and it was "inferior" European peoples that were the victims of most of their crimes not dark skinned people. Maybe, but I believe the Nazis are the ones who's started it. I see Americans as non-racists. There were no racism in America. I am sure in it, because of how Americans did what they did. And I guess it must be obvious that many Americans were pragmatists, and still are pragmatists. And a pragmatist cannot be the one. The Nazis used those "spirit of their own" or another fetish systems, so, in turn, they were holding some over-rational or over-comprehended systems to create anything. Simply, their intentions had metaphysical foundations, while Americans were rather to hold ethical foundations. Thomas Jefferson /I apologize I read him two or more years ago, so I don't really remember his ideas clearly/ told about the kinds of freedom. And I guess Americans held such straight and grounded Bible views. And I guess it must be clearly defined - that to hold a Biblical view is not bad; but to hold a certain Biblical view to protect one's own greedy /or other sinner/ wish - is the evil. In the past Jews had to concentrate their forces in nationalism. At least Bertrand Russell wrote it in his "History of Western Philosophy", Ch. II. He said that Maccabees bros had to unite and to resist their enemies. And such intentions appeared among Jews to protect their legacy. That example tells a story that is not the same in the Nazis situation. The Nazis Germany's youth - and Hitler was the one among them - saw themselves as an opposition to Weimar Republic, trying to prove that Wehrmacht Republic would be better. Maybe the things would be different in the Third Reich, but as we know Soviet Republic upheld pro-racists views of Hitler having dealt a pact between those sides. What you've written doesn't look like the apartheid. - Why? Because, for instance, in the Russian Empire lived many folks and the real a p a r t h e i d happened many times there; and I'd say that many dirty things happened to not only the "other folks" people, but to the "ours" ones. Because it depends on not "which skin" or kinda, but on - how evil are those person. And they were really evil. And it can be same the same about some people who were cruel enough. And how - how an American of those times can be taken as a racist or a nazis, if they lived by the law of Bible? No, I don't think they can be judged like that. It's the modern socialists who try to blame from all the corners the Americans in all the sins. Francis Fukuyama - is the one who tries to protect some of anti-American view by this line. Even being disagree with Mr. Fukuyama in many questions I think I agree with him that the power of US proves Americans never were apartheid fellas. In the same stream of writing that says, "slaves obey your masters" the Apostle Paul states, "don't threaten your slaves." Don't even threaten them. Slaves in the south were beaten badly, peppers rubbed in their wounds, raped, killed if they didn't do a good job, their children robbed from them, and treated by society like they weren't full human beings. There was nothing Biblical about American slavery. There was nothing Biblical about segregation (American apartheid) either where blacks were put into the bottom caste of society, separated from it, and forced to act their part as inferiors in the presence of white men or if they didn't, if they got uppity, they would be lynched. And I'm not talking about hangings, some blacks were burned alive like Jesse Washington in Texas... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching_of_Jesse_Washington This was all done to them because of their skin color. Far be it from me to feel any kind of guilt for this shite. No skin off my back, I didn't do any of it. And I am annoyed by how black Americans and white liberals use this stuff to guilt America or make excuses for their own failures in the present day. Americans aren't responsible for the sins of their ancestors and black Americans aren't owed anything for the crimes against their ancestors. The one who sins is the one who should be punished, and the one who has been sinned against gets to complain. Still that doesn't make these things right and it certainly doesn't make them biblical.
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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 9, 2021 21:21:35 GMT
The skin question was invented by Nazis to have something as a shield. Indeed, the ancient people had no such superstitions, except for one race - jews. In bible there are many pejorative connotations. Just we can take that Ethiopians became white after they'd been baptized by a pastor. But why did they invent it in the first place? Shields are made from metal not flesh so metal works better as a shield.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Apr 13, 2021 16:43:49 GMT
Maybe, but I believe the Nazis are the ones who's started it. I see Americans as non-racists. There were no racism in America. I am sure in it, because of how Americans did what they did. And I guess it must be obvious that many Americans were pragmatists, and still are pragmatists. And a pragmatist cannot be the one. The Nazis used those "spirit of their own" or another fetish systems, so, in turn, they were holding some over-rational or over-comprehended systems to create anything. Simply, their intentions had metaphysical foundations, while Americans were rather to hold ethical foundations. Thomas Jefferson /I apologize I read him two or more years ago, so I don't really remember his ideas clearly/ told about the kinds of freedom. And I guess Americans held such straight and grounded Bible views. And I guess it must be clearly defined - that to hold a Biblical view is not bad; but to hold a certain Biblical view to protect one's own greedy /or other sinner/ wish - is the evil. In the past Jews had to concentrate their forces in nationalism. At least Bertrand Russell wrote it in his "History of Western Philosophy", Ch. II. He said that Maccabees bros had to unite and to resist their enemies. And such intentions appeared among Jews to protect their legacy. That example tells a story that is not the same in the Nazis situation. The Nazis Germany's youth - and Hitler was the one among them - saw themselves as an opposition to Weimar Republic, trying to prove that Wehrmacht Republic would be better. Maybe the things would be different in the Third Reich, but as we know Soviet Republic upheld pro-racists views of Hitler having dealt a pact between those sides. What you've written doesn't look like the apartheid. - Why? Because, for instance, in the Russian Empire lived many folks and the real a p a r t h e i d happened many times there; and I'd say that many dirty things happened to not only the "other folks" people, but to the "ours" ones. Because it depends on not "which skin" or kinda, but on - how evil are those person. And they were really evil. And it can be same the same about some people who were cruel enough. And how - how an American of those times can be taken as a racist or a nazis, if they lived by the law of Bible? No, I don't think they can be judged like that. It's the modern socialists who try to blame from all the corners the Americans in all the sins. Francis Fukuyama - is the one who tries to protect some of anti-American view by this line. Even being disagree with Mr. Fukuyama in many questions I think I agree with him that the power of US proves Americans never were apartheid fellas. In the same stream of writing that says, "slaves obey your masters" the Apostle Paul states, "don't threaten your slaves." Don't even threaten them. Slaves in the south were beaten badly, peppers rubbed in their wounds, raped, killed if they didn't do a good job, their children robbed from them, and treated by society like they weren't full human beings. There was nothing Biblical about American slavery. There was nothing Biblical about segregation (American apartheid) either where blacks were put into the bottom caste of society, separated from it, and forced to act their part as inferiors in the presence of white men or if they didn't, if they got uppity, they would be lynched. And I'm not talking about hangings, some blacks were burned alive like Jesse Washington in Texas... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching_of_Jesse_Washington This was all done to them because of their skin color. Far be it from me to feel any kind of guilt for this shite. No skin off my back, I didn't do any of it. And I am annoyed by how black Americans and white liberals use this stuff to guilt America or make excuses for their own failures in the present day. Americans aren't responsible for the sins of their ancestors and black Americans aren't owed anything for the crimes against their ancestors. The one who sins is the one who should be punished, and the one who has been sinned against gets to complain. Still that doesn't make these things right and it certainly doesn't make them biblical. I guess it is the best to bury the hatchet. Because living in Africa many people would never go better. It must be obvious: today Africa is one of the worst place to live. And it is very sad. But would such questions ever raised if there were no slavery? I don't think so. Slavery was good even if the slavery is a worst method. I guess it must reveal how bad circumstances could become good if both sides are able to bury the hatchet in time.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Apr 13, 2021 16:47:11 GMT
The skin question was invented by Nazis to have something as a shield. Indeed, the ancient people had no such superstitions, except for one race - jews. In bible there are many pejorative connotations. Just we can take that Ethiopians became white after they'd been baptized by a pastor. But why did they invent it in the first place? Shields are made from metal not flesh so metal works better as a shield. Shrug: Oh, thank you Elizabeth for asking, but I took 'shield' in other meaning. I should use the term "a cover" or "a place to hide" or smth like these. I didn't mean the metal ones. But your question is still interesting, because some people don't think so. Yeah, I know it's rather a weird view, but they hold exactly the view that - human shields are better, than the metal ones. An indeed terrible view.
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Post by Clovis Merovingian on Apr 19, 2021 8:44:56 GMT
In the same stream of writing that says, "slaves obey your masters" the Apostle Paul states, "don't threaten your slaves." Don't even threaten them. Slaves in the south were beaten badly, peppers rubbed in their wounds, raped, killed if they didn't do a good job, their children robbed from them, and treated by society like they weren't full human beings. There was nothing Biblical about American slavery. There was nothing Biblical about segregation (American apartheid) either where blacks were put into the bottom caste of society, separated from it, and forced to act their part as inferiors in the presence of white men or if they didn't, if they got uppity, they would be lynched. And I'm not talking about hangings, some blacks were burned alive like Jesse Washington in Texas... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching_of_Jesse_Washington This was all done to them because of their skin color. Far be it from me to feel any kind of guilt for this shite. No skin off my back, I didn't do any of it. And I am annoyed by how black Americans and white liberals use this stuff to guilt America or make excuses for their own failures in the present day. Americans aren't responsible for the sins of their ancestors and black Americans aren't owed anything for the crimes against their ancestors. The one who sins is the one who should be punished, and the one who has been sinned against gets to complain. Still that doesn't make these things right and it certainly doesn't make them biblical. I guess it is the best to bury the hatchet. Because living in Africa many people would never go better. It must be obvious: today Africa is one of the worst place to live. And it is very sad. But would such questions ever raised if there were no slavery? I don't think so. Slavery was good even if the slavery is a worst method. I guess it must reveal how bad circumstances could become good if both sides are able to bury the hatchet in time. I agree that the black people of today hit the jackpot with slavery which is why I find their whining about it ironic but it took a long time for things to get this good. For the people living in slavery or through Jim Crow it was horrible and it should not be justified on account of their spoiled present day descendants. My point is that skin color prejudice objectively started with negro slavery in the Americas. You could perhaps trace it back further to the Islamic slave trade but it really wasn't as developed and codified in society as the later European trade. The Nazis mostly killed other whites or lighter skinned people and even they built upon racial science that had been developed in the 19th century.
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Post by Eugene 2.0 on Apr 21, 2021 12:29:06 GMT
I guess it is the best to bury the hatchet. Because living in Africa many people would never go better. It must be obvious: today Africa is one of the worst place to live. And it is very sad. But would such questions ever raised if there were no slavery? I don't think so. Slavery was good even if the slavery is a worst method. I guess it must reveal how bad circumstances could become good if both sides are able to bury the hatchet in time. I agree that the black people of today hit the jackpot with slavery which is why I find their whining about it ironic but it took a long time for things to get this good. For the people living in slavery or through Jim Crow it was horrible and it should not be justified on account of their spoiled present day descendants. My point is that skin color prejudice objectively started with negro slavery in the Americas. You could perhaps trace it back further to the Islamic slave trade but it really wasn't as developed and codified in society as the later European trade. The Nazis mostly killed other whites or lighter skinned people and even they built upon racial science that had been developed in the 19th century. In most case, "the winners write history", so we don't know anything about our past precisely. Different great-grandfathers speak to their grandchildren different stories.
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Post by sexytime on Apr 21, 2021 14:05:24 GMT
i like mediterranean pigmentation best
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