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Post by greatestiam on Feb 7, 2021 22:09:23 GMT
Armageddon. Does it make Jesus rather evil?
I know that Jesus is thought to be the epitome of good morals, ethics and judgements.
Armageddon, to this Christian, is not a Christian ideal. It is in fact, evil.
When I look at Yahweh and the days of mythical Noah, and think of the streams of hell bound souls, as compared to the trickle for heaven, I do not look forward to that Jesus showing up.
I much prefer the moral Gnostic Christian Jesus.
All good Christians do. He is not evil.
Regards
DL
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Post by Elizabeth on Feb 7, 2021 22:16:55 GMT
What does the Gnostic Jesus prefer and in what new bible is he found in?
But to answer your question about if Jesus is evil then no. Evil things/acts must be punished. Punishment done as a way of justice is good. Or is it better to remove the justice system and die out?
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Post by greatestiam on Feb 12, 2021 15:55:34 GMT
What does the Gnostic Jesus prefer and in what new bible is he found in? But to answer your question about if Jesus is evil then no. Evil things/acts must be punished. Punishment done as a way of justice is good. Or is it better to remove the justice system and die out? So an evil act is only one that is punished. If not punished, the evil act somehow becomes good to you. Explain as that cannot be right. As to the bible I use. I am flexible but do try for the oldest and most accurate. Regards DL |
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Post by Elizabeth on Feb 12, 2021 21:23:07 GMT
What does the Gnostic Jesus prefer and in what new bible is he found in? But to answer your question about if Jesus is evil then no. Evil things/acts must be punished. Punishment done as a way of justice is good. Or is it better to remove the justice system and die out? So an evil act is only one that is punished. If not punished, the evil act somehow becomes good to you. Explain as that cannot be right. As to the bible I use. I am flexible but do try for the oldest and most accurate. Regards DL Yes, evil is what's punished or should be punished. Are you saying good should be punished, why? Oh, so the King James Version. Armageddon is still there with the Christian Jesus. Or what version has a Gnostic Jesus with his version on Armageddon to follow up on for more details? |
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Post by greatestiam on Feb 15, 2021 18:34:37 GMT
So an evil act is only one that is punished. If not punished, the evil act somehow becomes good to you. Explain as that cannot be right. As to the bible I use. I am flexible but do try for the oldest and most accurate. Regards DL Yes, evil is what's punished or should be punished. Are you saying good should be punished, why? Oh, so the King James Version. Armageddon is still there with the Christian Jesus. Or what version has a Gnostic Jesus with his version on Armageddon to follow up on for more details? Did I say good should be punished? No. Please, no such stupidity if we are to chat. Gnostic Christians do not see us as ever being condemned by Yahweh. We follow the older Jewish thinking that Eden was where man was elevated and not where he fell. They see what they call Original Virtue while Christians see Original Sin, even while saying that Adam's sin was a happy fault and necessary to Yahweh's plan. IOW, if we do not sin, we screw god up. Nature agrees with this thinking as it too works on us doing evil to others by competing, as we must, to evolve. No sin/doing evil, no evolution for man or his gods. Regards DL |
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Post by Elizabeth on Feb 15, 2021 19:21:39 GMT
Yes, evil is what's punished or should be punished. Are you saying good should be punished, why? Oh, so the King James Version. Armageddon is still there with the Christian Jesus. Or what version has a Gnostic Jesus with his version on Armageddon to follow up on for more details? Did I say good should be punished? No. Please, no such stupidity if we are to chat. Gnostic Christians do not see us as ever being condemned by Yahweh. We follow the older Jewish thinking that Eden was where man was elevated and not where he fell. They see what they call Original Virtue while Christians see Original Sin, even while saying that Adam's sin was a happy fault and necessary to Yahweh's plan. IOW, if we do not sin, we screw god up. Nature agrees with this thinking as it too works on us doing evil to others by competing, as we must, to evolve. No sin/doing evil, no evolution for man or his gods. Regards DL Ok, yes. But where are the verses that Eden was that way and that Armageddon is that way. I only see the Christian Jesus version of events on that. I would like to read the Gnostic Jesus of events on that if your Jesus has them different. Like where can I read the Gnostic Jesus' story version? I'd be able to keep up better with you if I read the Gnostic bible version. |
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Post by greatestiam on Feb 17, 2021 20:36:29 GMT
Did I say good should be punished? No. Please, no such stupidity if we are to chat. Gnostic Christians do not see us as ever being condemned by Yahweh. We follow the older Jewish thinking that Eden was where man was elevated and not where he fell. They see what they call Original Virtue while Christians see Original Sin, even while saying that Adam's sin was a happy fault and necessary to Yahweh's plan. IOW, if we do not sin, we screw god up. Nature agrees with this thinking as it too works on us doing evil to others by competing, as we must, to evolve. No sin/doing evil, no evolution for man or his gods. Regards DL Ok, yes. But where are the verses that Eden was that way and that Armageddon is that way. I only see the Christian Jesus version of events on that. I would like to read the Gnostic Jesus of events on that if your Jesus has them different. Like where can I read the Gnostic Jesus' story version? I'd be able to keep up better with you if I read the Gnostic bible version. Myths are myths and are created for good reasons, of reasoning. Not for literal reading. All the characters are to be in us in our heads. Just look ate the creation of Adam painting. Reasoning leads to moral views. Nothing else really tops that or matters much. Those not ready to agree on the evilness of Yahweh, and consequently Jesus now, through that stupid Trinity concept, and that no decent god would ever be as they are described, then mythos has beaten logos and idolatry wins while god loses. You asked where the verses are that made Eden what it is portrayed as being. There are no verses but proof of concept is in the fact that Satan was in Eden along with a Jesus that had already been selected to die. No sin, means no savior myth and there goes all the Abrahamic cults. Can't have that now can they. That is why sin is a happy fault and necessary to life, for Christians that is. Gnostic Christians recognized, morally, that such an ideology was immoral, and thus used the invented demiurge label for Yahweh. We have the better position and that is why we were called the only good Christians. Regards DL |
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Post by greatestiam on Feb 17, 2021 20:45:15 GMT
I have readed several books of Rene Guenon. He said nothing new to me. Schuon, "makes God your centre", means to me no thing. True moral is only in the Gospel. Ideal moral, or a moral based on knowledge is in essence inaccurate. Aristotle truly says that Ethics is not a exact science. I am not a huge fan of aristotelism, but what he said is true in this case. No moral precept can be experimental. It's only follows the habits and customs, which cannot be arbitrary. It's not a invention of human mind. If God or Jesus or humanity have discovered moral grounds, their are the common ground which we need to argue. How often have you tried to engage a right wing believer in a moral discussion? The moment you mention that Yahweh and Jesus might not be the best choice in gods, they disappear, and justify Yahweh many murders as his right of ownership. Here is an old O P. ---------- Both Christianity and Islam, slave holding ideologies, have basically developed into intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religions. Both religions have grown themselves by the sword instead of good deeds and continue with their immoral ways in spite of secular law showing them the moral ways. Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds. That means Jesus would not recognize Christians and Muslims as his people, and neither do I. Jesus would call Christianity and Islam abominations. Gnostic Christians did in the past, and I am proudly continuing that tradition and honest irrefutable evaluation based on morality. topdocumentaryfilms.com/theft-values/Humanity centered religions, good? Yes. Esoteric ecumenist Gnostic Christianity being the best of these. Supernaturally based religions, evil? Yes. Islam and Christianity being the worst of these. ------- Morals are a Gnostic Christian forte and that is why the inquisitions, a great form of justice, was invented. We call evil, evil. Christians call evil good. That is a fact. I agree with you in that morals are not a science, exactly, but it is close. If almost all moral tenets were not subjective, with so few seen as objective, it would not be so close to being science. The same thing applies to religions who are further away from the secular and superior model that values life. That is why their god based theologies/ideologies are dying. Regards DL |
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